TSW Mock Draft 2.0 - The Cowboys (Might Rather) are on the clock

[Virgil]

18 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Man if I'm the Titans I'm considering making a move back into the 1st for Sanders. Combining Hunter and Sanders in the pros is way too tempting of the draft fell this way.

 

Sanders went #10

38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Okay so 2hrs 15 from here?

 

Just trying to work out whether I can pick before bed ha. 

 

What I might do is send you a full write up of options 1 and 2. Then you can post for me? I know who I am taking and if he takes my guy I know who my fallback is.

 

He has until 8pm EST.  

 

Yes, if you want to message me your two pick options, I'll make the pick for you if it's later.

[Stenbar]

25 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

The Athletic said that McShay  thinks the Saints would take Dart over Sanders

It would not shock anyone other than the Sanders clan if Dart was taken before S.Sanders.

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

 

Yes, if you want to message me your two pick options, I'll make the pick for you if it's later.

 

Sent

[Big Blitz]

The Rams want to know if the Bills want pick 26 (700 points), 90 (140 points), and 190 (15 points) = 855 points

 

For pick 30 (620 points) and 62 (284 points) = 904

 

 

We don’t have a 2nd round pick.  This makes sense for us.  

 

Edited.  

Edited Friday at 10:41 PM by Big Blitz

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

The Rams want to know if the Bills want pick 26 (700 points), 90 (140 points), and 190 (15 points) = 855 points

 

For pick 30 (620 points) and 62 (284 points) = 904

 

 

We don’t have a 2nd round pick.  This makes sense for us.  

 

Edited.  

 

 

I was interested while Golden was there because I think he had a skillset not available to me later. I'm not sure I see that in anyone else. 

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I am thinking in this scenario, Beane would consider moving #109 or #132 to get up to #24-#27. He’s shown a willingness to do this in the past and has the ammo to do it. For who? Maybe Harmon if they like him enough. 
 

Edit: NVM just saw Harmon went to the Cards …earlier than I expected!

 

So maybe not this exact scenario but the trade structure seems to line up to what he’s shown to do 

 

I'd go up as high as 21 for Harmon alone. It puts a lot of pressure on the rest of the draft, as the tier of CBs I like are pretty much always gone by 40, but if he's a guy who can bust the pocket from 1T it's an element that could really change the entire D.

 

The trade I've been using in mocks to get to 21, it's pretty close on the Rich Hill chart:

Bills #30 + 62 + 177   ->   Pittsburgh #21 + 123

 

If Harmon goes top-20 the board usually breaks so that you'd want to trade down from 30 to the 35-40 range and get one of Hairston or Amos or if you have to, Thomas or Revel. Then if you can get to about 45 using 56 + whatever you picked up in the trade down you can try to get Landon Jackson or Nick Scourton, or Tuimoloau if you can't get that high. Or, get Alfred Collins at 56 and Swinson at 62, and there's a few interesting players at the bottom of day 2/top of day 3. 

[QLBillsFan]

14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

The Rams want to know if the Bills want pick 26 (700 points), 90 (140 points), and 190 (15 points) = 855 points

 

For pick 30 (620 points) and 62 (284 points) = 904

 

 

We don’t have a 2nd round pick.  This makes sense for us.  

 

Edited.  

The Bills need to nail down 3 impact players in this draft. Unless a player slides I’m not sure it’s worth giving up 62. The heart of this draft is 16-64.. let’s get 3 of those guys imho. 

[Ralonzo]

28 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

The Rams want to know if the Bills want pick 26 (700 points), 90 (140 points), and 190 (15 points) = 855 points

 

For pick 30 (620 points) and 62 (284 points) = 904

 

We don’t have a 2nd round pick.  This makes sense for us.  

 

I suspect the Bills easily decline that one. 26 for 30+109 lines up much better for value (696 vs 700), why would the Bills be paying a draft chart premium of a mid-4th just as vigorish when you're the one making the phone call? Not to mention why are the Bills wanting to add another 6th when they already hold 4 selections 169-177. If the Bills have a guy they want (they might?) then there might be a deal to make, but it won't be those 2nd rounders in play for a 4 spot move...

Edited Friday at 11:07 PM by Ralonzo

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Ralonzo said:

 

I suspect the Bills easily decline that one. 26 for 30+109 lines up much better for value (696 vs 700), why would the Bills be paying a draft chart premium of a mid-4th just as vigorish per the value chart when you're making the phone call? Not to mention why are the Bills wanting to add another 6th when they already hold 4 selections 169-177. If the Bills have a guy they want (they might?) then there might be a deal to make, but it won't be those 2nd rounders in play for a 4 spot move...

 

Im trying to make it make sense for both teams but more importantly get the point value close or can’t trade.  
 

I’m really just saying - the Rams would like to trade back and get a late 2nd or 3rd if possible to do it.  Starting point offer.  

[Mike in Horseheads]

I thought a Bills trade wasn't allowed after the poll said 64% no trade?

[Virgil]

4 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I thought a Bills trade wasn't allowed after the poll said 64% no trade?

 
If a major player fell, I would have made a new poll.  But no one did.  
 

if the poll was more yes, I would have a proactively traded up and made a poll based on who was available.  
 

3.0 will most likely have a Bills trade up.  Just so we have one draft that shows the scenario.  

[Ralonzo]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

Im trying to make it make sense for both teams but more importantly get the point value close or can’t trade.  
 

I’m really just saying - the Rams would like to trade back and get a late 2nd or 3rd if possible to do it.  Starting point offer.  

 

I countered with 30+109. That's the value of 26. If you really need a that second and I don't like my options at 62, i'll think about 90, 101 and 127 and can throw you a 6th... i do like that range of the draft about 80-120.

[gonzo1105]

10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Im trying to make it make sense for both teams but more importantly get the point value close or can’t trade.  
 

I’m really just saying - the Rams would like to trade back and get a late 2nd or 3rd if possible to do it.  Starting point offer.  

I mean really it makes no sense for the Bills to trade up. It’s pick 24, there are 3 DBs, multiple DTs, Edges that make sense and a both safeties 

[Virgil]

The Minnesota Vikings select Maxwell Hairston, DB, Kentuck

 

GM - Minnesota's aggressive defensive scheme puts a lot on the cornerbacks at times. They must be comfortable triggering and attacking spots as pressure comes, and Hairston just so happens to have one of the quickest transitions in the class and offers great ball skills.

 

Also, the Seattle Seahhawks (as DM'd by GunnerBill) select Nick Emmanwori, Safety, South Carolina

 

GM - This pick comes down to the Seattle Head Coach being Mike Macdonald whose defenses in Baltimore took full advantage of the speed, athleticism and playmaking ability of Kyle Hamilton at all three levels of the defense. Emmanwori is a an almost identical size and is a more explosive athlete. While he doesn't have the fluidity or nuance that Hamilton had coming out he can be used in that same role and will be a major upgrade to a moribund safety room with the Seahawks. It is no surprise that they interviewed him at the Combine and have had him in for a top 30 visit. 

 

The Rams are on the clock @Big Blitz

Edited yesterday at 12:35 AM by Virgil

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Man if I'm the Titans I'm considering making a move back into the 1st for Sanders. Combining Hunter and Sanders in the pros is way too tempting of the draft fell this way.

The problem with that is you have no idea what teams are interested in Sanders.  What if the Giants take him at 3?  

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

 
If a major player fell, I would have made a new poll.  But no one did.  
 

if the poll was more yes, I would have a proactively traded up and made a poll based on who was available.  
 

3.0 will most likely have a Bills trade up.  Just so we have one draft that shows the scenario.  

As I mentioned before, IMHO it was overwhelmingly no because the options were costly trade up’s and left off the more likely trade up possibilities where Beane makes a small trade up using something like a 4th, like he has done multiple times.  

 

I voted no for these reasons and I think you would have had more interest if there had been some of those options where we use one or even two day 3 picks to make a move up while holding onto both our 2nds.

 

Big move ups are less appealing this draft and have less value as the draft is light on the top end, but deep in those later first through the 2nd round type players with a lot of people with similar grades.  So value isn’t there for a big move (unless someone surprising falls) and a small move up or staying out is both more likely and more appealing.  

 

 

[Big Blitz]

With the 26th pick in the draft, the Los Angeles Rams select Jihaad Campbell, LB Alabama.  
 

Our biggest need on defense is secured by grabbing the number LB in this class.  
 

He’s elite against the pass and run.  Quick to diagnose plays - 117 tackles, 12 TFLs, and he can blitz and rush the QB - totaling 5 sacks this season.  We can line him up on the edge at times.  
 

An anchor for the middle of this defense for years to come.  
 

 

The Ravens and @Virgil are on the clock.  
 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:02 AM by Big Blitz

[Virgil]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

As I mentioned before, IMHO it was overwhelmingly no because the options were costly trade up’s and left off the more likely trade up possibilities where Beane makes a small trade up using something like a 4th, like he has done multiple times.  

 

I voted no for these reasons and I think you would have had more interest if there had been some of those options where we use one or even two day 3 picks to make a move up while holding onto both our 2nds.

 

Big move ups are less appealing this draft and have less value as the draft is light on the top end, but deep in those later first through the 2nd round type players with a lot of people with similar grades.  So value isn’t there for a big move (unless someone surprising falls) and a small move up or staying out is both more likely and more appealing.  

 

 

I don’t disagree with any of what you said.  But since we do three of these, part of the idea is to see how things could play out.  So I think one trade up would be a decent exercise.  And if we hate it after the fact, then we can live out that scenario.  
 

We will now have two scenarios where the Bills stay put.  I don’t see a need for 3.  And we’ve done at least one trade in all the prior mock drafts, for the same reason. 

The Baltimore Ravens select Malaki Starks, S, Georgia.

 

GM - The board fell beautifully for us and we had some tough choices to make.  We wanted to reinforce our offensive line, but it's tough to argue the success we had running the ball last year.  Starks provides us a top tier piece to line up beside Hamilton, and our Safety duo is set for years to come.

 

The Lions @K-No are on the clock

Edited yesterday at 01:05 AM by Virgil

[EmotionallyUnstable]

4 players out from #30 and lots of options at need positions left on the defensive side of the ball, none of which I feel stellar about for value at 30. I think @Virgil made a good point comparing this draft to what actually might happen based off of reports. If we see another RB (Hampton), more QBs (Dart, Milroe) a LB (Campbell), and WR (Burden) go before 30, all the better for our pickings 

 

Starks

Revel

Amos 

Grant

Scourton

 

 

[K-No]

Detroit had marginal play at one of the guard spots and has a center whose time remaining is questionable. 

The Lions select OL Grey Zabel North Dakota State.

@HappyDays is on the clock.