TSW Mock Draft 2.0 - The Bills (TSW Poll) are on the clock

[LEBills]

2 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Bit surprised Tre Harris is leading the poll. He’s a slightly faster X than Coleman. I would see  Royals as a better option as a home run threat. I just don’t see a WR value here vs improving the D in some way. 

The real draft won’t fall this way. With all Bills fans running teams, we tend to overvalue Bills associated prospects and gut the board. But I do love me some Tre Harris…

Edited yesterday at 12:48 AM by LEBills

[Dr. Who]

8 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Bit surprised Tre Harris is leading the poll. He’s a slightly faster X than Coleman. I would see  Royals as a better option as a home run threat. I just don’t see a WR value here vs improving the D in some way. 

I've read some analysis that ranks Harris above where you're putting him. Injuries are a concern. I do think Royals is a fella that you'd legit consider if he were available. I voted for Thomas in the current poll. (I dunno, I guess Thomas isn't actually there now. Alright, I'm back on Harris if that's the list.)

6 minutes ago, LEBills said:

The real draft won’t fall this way. With all Bills fans running teams, we tend to overvalue Bills associated prospects and gut the board. But I do love me some Tre Harris…

Probably your analysis is what I'm thinking of for Harris . . . I like him better than Coleman. I don't think he's just a slightly faster version, but I'm no expert. 

Edited yesterday at 12:54 AM by Dr. Who

[LEBills]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I've read some analysis that ranks Harris above where you're putting him. Injuries are a concern. I do think Royals is a fella that you'd legit consider if he were available. I voted for Thomas in the current poll.

Probably your analysis is what I'm thinking of for Harris . . . I like him better than Coleman. I don't think he's just a slightly faster version, but I'm no expert. 

Yea I’m much higher on Harris than most including a lot of the draft guys I respect 😬 Much better than Coleman in my humble opinion. But I do worry about his injuries.

[MrEpsYtown]

27 minutes ago, LEBills said:

The real draft won’t fall this way. With all Bills fans running teams, we tend to overvalue Bills associated prospects and gut the board. But I do love me some Tre Harris…

I agree, but I do think all the top corners will be gone by the time we pick in round 2. 

[Ralonzo]

Porter for sure was a reach where he was taken in this mock. He's usually in play at 62 let alone 56.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

Im not against drafting a 3T at all to be honest. Farmer, Phillips, Sawyer and Burch were all available still in version 1.

I’m not against drafting one either, but we’d be neglecting one of our biggest needs-  someone to keep the opposition off of our mini injury prone LBs that at made to fly around.  
 

I don’t consider Burch and Sawyer DTs and I wouldn’t draft Phillips in rd 2. 
 

Looks like we just differ in our opinions of what this team needs most on D.  To me, DTs that hold their ground vs doubles and have the ability to get after the QB are more valuable than corners.  If you can’t move the QB off his spot- it doesn’t matter who’s covering.  It’s my opinion our lack of pass rush has led to our demise the last handful of seasons.  I think a legit dual threat DT would have an greater impact on our defense. 
 

But I suppose some can say the cornerback play is of equal blame.  

 

[Virgil]

Beside Elam, I feel like our current DB evaluators have done a good job.   I trust that they will get someone that can contribute, even if it’s not in the first 4 rounds. 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

Bit surprised Tre Harris is leading the poll. He’s a slightly faster X than Coleman. I would see  Royals as a better option as a home run threat. I just don’t see a WR value here vs improving the D in some way. 

 

If had just been grading Coleman as an X I'd have a higher grade on Harris than I had on him. I did have a slightly higher grade on Keon (Keon was a 6.1 and a low second by my scale, Harris is a 5.8 and a high third) but that was really because of his ability as a big slot. That is still where I think he should be playing. Trying to force him to be an NFL standard X is a pointless endeavour IMO. He is never going to be better than average at that. 

 

I don't disagree in Royals as being maybe more the type the Bills need. But I have him a couple of points below Harris, Royals is the 18th best player remaining by my board at this stage. Now you can probably bump that up a place or two if you are making a Bills specific board at the point because I think there are a couple of non-scheme fits for Buffalo I have in that range but I feel like it is a bit of a reach past better players. 

[OldTimer1960]

In mock draft 1 we tried CB first and didn’t like the DTs left at 56 then in mock draft 2 we tried DT first and there isn’t a CB left that isn’t a big reach.  There might be some over-inflation of the positions the Bills need in this draft because we’ve been discussing those players for months, but it doesn’t look like it is a slam dunk that they can get both CB and DT (or DE for that matter) in the first 2 rounds.  

Edited yesterday at 10:13 AM by OldTimer1960

[Doc Brown]

9 hours ago, Logic said:

 

This is why I hate that Beane tends to leave one big, crying need for draft night, almost NECESSITATING that he fill it with his first round pick.

Suppose draft night rolls around and a defensive tackle or two on the board at pick 30 is higher on the Bills' board than whatever corners are available. Rather than simply take the highest rated player on their board, I suspect they would take the corner for the reasons you mention, factoring in that they can get a DT with a later pick because of such a deep class. 

But personally, I don't want that to be the thinking. I don't want them to have to say "well, we'll take the inferior player here because our need is simply so great, and we'll have faith we can still get a good d-lineman later". I'd rather they have the flexibility to take the guy they truly have ranked highest, even if it means taking a guy in a deep positional class over a guy in a shallow positional class.

I realize there are only so many free agency dollars to go around, but this "leave one big need for the draft and then be forced to pick that position high" tendency has happened over and over on Beane's watch, and it's how we ended up with Kaiir Elam. It's a trend that I quite dislike.

It's frustrating although we thought that with LB too and we ended up starting Bernard.  I don't know if they have a veteran fall back plan (Samuel Jr., Gilmore, Douglas) or they believe in Ingram's development way more than they let on (doubtful).  I think in that scenario Beane would find a trading partner in the 2nd round to go up and select their DT.  

[OldTimer1960]

8 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

Porter for sure was a reach where he was taken in this mock. He's usually in play at 62 let alone 56.

I would not want to bet that Porter will make it to 56.  It’s a thin class and he is super athletic.  I don’t love the combo of  him being over-aged and lightly experienced at CB, but after him CB appears to fall off quite far.

[Bill from NYC]

11 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

So Tua, Hurts, and Young for sure. Mac Jones debatable. Before then just a bunch of guys who he certainly has far more potential than. 

Mac Jones debatable? As a starter he was undefated and won a national title. Look at his stats. His junior year was probably one of the all time best seasons for a college QB. His completion pct. was 77.4 with 41 TDs. 

 

Milroe is a better runner but as a passer, he takes sacks all the time because he cannot make decisions. He has a deep arm but has a hard time completing short and mid range passes. The Alabama team was much better than it's record last season. Milroe, despite his talent, held them back. 

 

Anything can happen. Milroe IS a talented player and I wish him well. That said, Mac was 1,000 times better at Alabama than Milroe. Maybe someone in the NFL can coach him up. I hope so, but; he had some very well qualified coaches in Tuscaloosa. Bill O'Brien once told him that he should switch positions. 

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mac-jones-1.html

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10102815-jalen-milroe-says-former-alabama-oc-bill-obrien-told-him-he-shouldnt-play-qb

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

Mac Jones debatable? As a starter he was undefated and won a national title. Look at his stats. His junior year was probably one of the all time best seasons for a college QB. His completion pct. was 77.4 with 41 TDs. 

 

Milroe is a better runner but as a passer, he takes sacks all the time because he cannot make decisions. He has a deep arm but has a hard time completing short and mid range passes. The Alabama team was much better than it's record last season. Milroe, despite his talent, held them back. 

 

Anything can happen. Milroe IS a talented player and I wish him well. That said, Mac was 1,000 times better at Alabama than Milroe. Maybe someone in the NFL can coach him up. I hope so, but; he had some very well qualified coaches in Tuscaloosa. Bill O'Brien once told him that he should switch positions. 

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mac-jones-1.html

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10102815-jalen-milroe-says-former-alabama-oc-bill-obrien-told-him-he-shouldnt-play-qb

 

 

Yea it is not debatable. Mac was a better college QB than Jalen Milroe. That said Mac was arguably a better college QB than Jalen Hurts too and we have seen how that went in the pros. I thought Mac was overdrafted. I thought his ceiling as an NFL QB was a game manager and the game is getting increasingly dynamic at the position. Jalen is dynamic though needing lots of refinement. So I might take an argument that Jalen has more going for him than Mac did as an NFL prospect at the spot (I'm not saying that is a slam dunk but I think a reasonable argument can be made). But you are unquestionably right about who was better in college. That is beyond debate.

[Bill from NYC]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea it is not debatable. Mac was a better college QB than Jalen Milroe. That said Mac was arguably a better college QB than Jalen Hurts too and we have seen how that went in the pros. I thought Mac was overdrafted. I thought his ceiling as an NFL QB was a game manager and the game is getting increasingly dynamic at the position. Jalen is dynamic though needing lots of refinement. So I might take an argument that Jalen has more going for him than Mac did as an NFL prospect at the spot (I'm not saying that is a slam dunk but I think a reasonable argument can be made). But you are unquestionably right about who was better in college. That is beyond debate.

You too are correct. Mac was a better college QB than Hurts imo. Hurts is doing better in the NFL because of his mobility, and the fact that he is a physical specimen. Hurts would squat trremendous amounts of weight and is amazingly strong, as well as being very fast. They are both very intelligent. 

 

Mac has not shown much in the NFL. We will see what the future holds. I have been wrong many times before but I think that if he was in the right spot he would be a pretty good QB. I wish he was on the Bills as a backup.  

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

You too are correct. Mac was a better college QB than Hurts imo. Hurts is doing better in the NFL because of his mobility, and the fact that he is a physical specimen. Hurts would squat trremendous amounts of weight and is amazingly strong, as well as being very fast. They are both very intelligent. 

 

Mac has not shown much in the NFL. We will see what the future holds. I have been wrong many times before but I think that if he was in the right spot he would be a pretty good QB. I wish he was on the Bills as a backup.  

 

Oh I'd take Mac as a backup. Just no world in which I'd take him as a starter. The other factors with Hurts are his worth ethic and leadership which are off the charts. I also think the year with Lincoln Riley was pivotal. I think Saban recruited Quarterbacks rather than developed them. That isn't a dig at Saban. He developed plenty of defensive guys and some offensive guys too but when I think of that run of good 'Bama QBs I don't think many of them were demonstrably different guys when they finished than when they started. From Baker, to Kyler, to Jalen to Caleb every Quarterback Lincoln has worked with has improved as a passer. I'm not sold on him as a Head Coach but as a guy who helps Quarterbacks learn how to play the position in a way that gives them a chance in the NFL, I think he is the best in college football. 

Edited yesterday at 10:58 AM by GunnerBill

[H2o]

On 4/11/2025 at 11:46 AM, Motorin' said:

 

I was a lot higher on Kyler Gordon then Elam. 

 

And it's a shame Beane traded up. So many starting CB's came out of rounds 2-4 in that draft. 

 

On 4/11/2025 at 11:49 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

So was I. I was higher on Gordon even than McDuffie and while McDuffie is an outstanding player, Gordon has developed into a stud himself. I had Elam as CB7. 

And the Bears just signed Gordon to a 3 year extension that looks relatively cheap. 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/bears-agree-to-three-year-extension-with-cb-kyler-gordon

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Bears General Manager Ryan Poles said at the owners meetings last month that signing cornerback Kyler Gordon to an extension was a “priority.” He didn’t waste much time getting it done.

 

The Bears reached agreement with Gordon on a three-year, $40 million extension that includes $31.25 million guaranteed, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports.

 

 

[gonzo1105]

15 minutes ago, H2o said:

 

And the Bears just signed Gordon to a 3 year extension that looks relatively cheap. 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/bears-agree-to-three-year-extension-with-cb-kyler-gordon

 

Gordon is their slot guy so he’s going to come cheaper than an outside CB. If I’m not mistaken that  might make him the highest AAV slot CB in the NFL 

[QLBillsFan]

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Mac Jones debatable? As a starter he was undefated and won a national title. Look at his stats. His junior year was probably one of the all time best seasons for a college QB. His completion pct. was 77.4 with 41 TDs. 

 

Milroe is a better runner but as a passer, he takes sacks all the time because he cannot make decisions. He has a deep arm but has a hard time completing short and mid range passes. The Alabama team was much better than it's record last season. Milroe, despite his talent, held them back. 

 

Anything can happen. Milroe IS a talented player and I wish him well. That said, Mac was 1,000 times better at Alabama than Milroe. Maybe someone in the NFL can coach him up. I hope so, but; he had some very well qualified coaches in Tuscaloosa. Bill O'Brien once told him that he should switch positions. 

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mac-jones-1.html

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10102815-jalen-milroe-says-former-alabama-oc-bill-obrien-told-him-he-shouldnt-play-qb

 

 

 

I should have been more clear. Even some starters before Mac had better numbers at Alabama than Milroe. But his upside vs Mac is much higher in the NFL. He could also never start a game, who knows. Not sure he’ gets there but the NFL apparently thinks he’s worth a first round pick since he’s been invited to the draft. But absolutely his college career left a lot to be desired. 

[nosejob]

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

You too are correct. Mac was a better college QB than Hurts imo. Hurts is doing better in the NFL because of his mobility, and the fact that he is a physical specimen. Hurts would squat trremendous amounts of weight and is amazingly strong, as well as being very fast. They are both very intelligent. 

 

Mac has not shown much in the NFL. We will see what the future holds. I have been wrong many times before but I think that if he was in the right spot he would be a pretty good QB. I wish he was on the Bills as a backup.  

I was worried the Pats were getting the next Brady when they drafted Jones.    lol

[MrEpsYtown]

11 hours ago, Virgil said:

Beside Elam, I feel like our current DB evaluators have done a good job.   I trust that they will get someone that can contribute, even if it’s not in the first 4 rounds. 

Yeah I suppose they could take their chances later and pivot to one of the vets left after the draft if they don’t get one. I still think a trade for a scheme change guy who has been blocked and fallen out of favor like JuJu Brents makes sense. He’s just as interesting as the second tier guys and only 25.