TSW Mock Draft 2.0 - The Bills (TSW Poll) are on the clock

[gonzo1105]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Agreed 100%. I think the depth at D-tackle allows you to get one later with much less drop-off. The dropoff in corner to the next tier is significant imo. Probably looking at Dorian Strong, though according to draft people this is high for him.  
 

I think a small trade back is possible, but some of the draft people are saying they don’t foresee a lot of trade ups, unless maybe it’s a team desperate for extra picks. 

 

I actually think the Bills are in a pretty advantageous spot. With a lack of top QB's, and a lot of team needy teams at the top of round 2, I think the Bills would be a good candidate to drop down early in round 2 and let a team take a Tyler Shough or Jalen Milroe at the end of round 1. I also think that the Bills being one spot ahead of the Chiefs is advantageous because everyone under the sun knows that the Chiefs need a LT and its very possible that Josh Conerly is the last true LT before a big dropoff for Left Tackles in a draft that doesn't have a lot of them to begin with.

[Doc Brown]

With the 55th pick in the draft the Chargers select Darius Alexander, DT, Toledo

 

With Poona Ford leaving we need to sure up the interior of our D Line.  Alexander has shown on tape that he can destroy blocks to generate great inside pressure.  His great size and length should translate well to the NFL.

 

The pissed off Bills fans are on the clock.

 

[gonzo1105]

For 56 I would honestly at this point, double up and take T.J. Sanders, that would make me feel better about this situation getting a true 1T and following it up with a really solid 3T who has value here versus trying to force something.

[Virgil]

@gonzo1105 @GunnerBill @section122

 

I'll take your BPA's if you have them quick

 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

And this again is why you have to take a CB at 30 and not hoping one drops to 56.

 

 

No CB's left worth the pick and there is still Darius Alexander, Alfred Collins, T.J. Sanders, Omarr Norman Lott, Josh Farmer, Jordan Phillips at DT and then you have Jack Sawyer, Jordan Burch, most of these guys are acceptable players for the DL at 56 or 62.

 

There isn't a single CB I would touch left on the board right now. It used to be Cobee Bryant before his rough combine and apparently he hasn't been good in interviews.

 

In this version there isn't even really a safety worth taking with maybe the exception of Andrew Mukuba. I mean you almost have to take a WR with one of these next two picks just due to value. Could have traded back, got a great value DB at 34 in this draft, taken someone like Alfred Collins at 56 and turn around and got either an Edge or WR at 62 and had a 3rd round pick to play with in the 70's but everyone just had to have Kenneth Grant.

 

So my board has Sanders, Collins and Norman-Lott all higher than the next corner. And then Alexander (who I see has just gone) with the same grade as my next corner. And my next corner is Nohl Williams who I don't really think is a Bills fit. I then have CJ West and Zy Alexander on the same grade as well. I think Zy is a Bills fit - although his ceiling is very much a CB2. So basically 5 defensive tackles in play before the corner (altough equally fair to say not sure TJ Sanders is a fit either). 

[Logic]

25 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

And this again is why you have to take a CB at 30 and not hoping one drops to 56.

 

 

No CB's left worth the pick and there is still Darius Alexander, Alfred Collins, T.J. Sanders, Omarr Norman Lott, Josh Farmer, Jordan Phillips at DT and then you have Jack Sawyer, Jordan Burch, most of these guys are acceptable players for the DL at 56 or 62.

 

There isn't a single CB I would touch left on the board right now. It used to be Cobee Bryant before his rough combine and apparently he hasn't been good in interviews.

 

In this version there isn't even really a safety worth taking with maybe the exception of Andrew Mukuba. I mean you almost have to take a WR with one of these next two picks just due to value. Could have traded back, got a great value DB at 34 in this draft, taken someone like Alfred Collins at 56 and turn around and got either an Edge or WR at 62 and had a 3rd round pick to play with in the 70's but everyone just had to have Kenneth Grant.

 

19 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Agreed 100%. I think the depth at D-tackle allows you to get one later with much less drop-off. The dropoff in corner to the next tier is significant imo. Probably looking at Dorian Strong, though according to draft people this is high for him.  
 

I think a small trade back is possible, but some of the draft people are saying they don’t foresee a lot of trade ups, unless maybe it’s a team desperate for extra picks. 

This is why I hate that Beane tends to leave one big, crying need for draft night, almost NECESSITATING that he fill it with his first round pick.

Suppose draft night rolls around and a defensive tackle or two on the board at pick 30 is higher on the Bills' board than whatever corners are available. Rather than simply take the highest rated player on their board, I suspect they would take the corner for the reasons you mention, factoring in that they can get a DT with a later pick because of such a deep class. 

But personally, I don't want that to be the thinking. I don't want them to have to say "well, we'll take the inferior player here because our need is simply so great, and we'll have faith we can still get a good d-lineman later". I'd rather they have the flexibility to take the guy they truly have ranked highest, even if it means taking a guy in a deep positional class over a guy in a shallow positional class.

I realize there are only so many free agency dollars to go around, but this "leave one big need for the draft and then be forced to pick that position high" tendency has happened over and over on Beane's watch, and it's how we ended up with Kaiir Elam. It's a trend that I quite dislike.

Edited Sunday at 11:44 PM by Logic

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

@gonzo1105 @GunnerBill @section122

 

I'll take your BPA's if you have them quick

 

 

1. TJ Sanders, DT

2. Isaiah Bond, WR *off field

3. Aireonte Ersery, OT

4. Cam Wiliams, OT

5. Alfred Collins, DT

6. Demetrius Knight, LB

7. Charles Grant, OT

8. Tre Harris, WR

9. Omarr Norman- Lott, DT

10. Harold Fannin, TE

[QLBillsFan]

17 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

I actually think the Bills are in a pretty advantageous spot. With a lack of top QB's, and a lot of team needy teams at the top of round 2, I think the Bills would be a good candidate to drop down early in round 2 and let a team take a Tyler Shough or Jalen Milroe at the end of round 1. I also think that the Bills being one spot ahead of the Chiefs is advantageous because everyone under the sun knows that the Chiefs need a LT and its very possible that Josh Conerly is the last true LT before a big dropoff for Left Tackles in a draft that doesn't have a lot of them to begin with.

I agree, at CB you have Parrish, Alexander, and Denzel Burke from Ohio State along with the previously mentioned Strong. But they all will likely be around at 62. So another DT or Edge makes sense. 

Edited Sunday at 11:48 PM by QLBillsFan

[gonzo1105]

Just now, Virgil said:

@gonzo1105 @GunnerBill @section122

 

I'll take your BPA's if you have them quick

 

 

My Top 100 isn't finalized yet but:

# 35 Cameron Williams OT Texas

#45 Alfred Collins DT Texas

#49 T.J. Sanders DT USC

#50 Kaleb Johnson RB Iowa

#52 Andrew Mukuba S Texas (probably will be dropping him after bad athletic pro day)

#54 Omarr Norman Lott DT Tennessee

#56 Jonah Savaiinaea OG Arizona

#57 Elijah Arroyo TE Miami

#63 Brashard Smith RB SMU

#64 Quinshon Judkins RB Ohio State

#65 Airontae Ersery OT Minnesota

#67 Jordan Burch DE Oregon

#68 Tre Harris WR Mississippi

#69 Tai Felton WR Maryland

 

 

Those are my guys left in my top 70. Use as you see fit.

 

[Mike in Horseheads]

2 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

My Top 100 isn't finalized yet but:

# 35 Cameron Williams OT Texas

#45 Alfred Collins DT Texas

#49 T.J. Sanders DT USC

#50 Kaleb Johnson RB Iowa

#52 Andrew Mukuba S Texas (probably will be dropping him after bad athletic pro day)

#54 Omarr Norman Lott DT Tennessee

#56 Jonah Savaiinaea OG Arizona

#57 Elijah Arroyo TE Miami

#63 Brashard Smith RB SMU

#64 Quinshon Judkins RB Ohio State

#65 Airontae Ersery OT Minnesota

#67 Jordan Burch DE Oregon

#68 Tre Harris WR Mississippi

#69 Tai Felton WR Maryland

 

 

Those are my guys left in my top 70. Use as you see fit.

 

Flip Cook for another 2nd and take a RB

[gonzo1105]

3 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

I agree, at CB you have Parrish, Alexander, and Denzel Burke from Ohio State along with the previously mentioned Strong. But they all will likely be around at 62. So another DT or Edge makes sense. 

 

This is just my opinion, but I don't think any of those 3 guys are close to worth the 62nd pick. I know Gunner may disagree on Alexander being maybe possible but I am not high on the Cornerbacks after the tier that gets constantly talked about here on the board.

 

I have Cobee Bryant 72nd(but he's probably dropping), then I have Zah Joyner and Alexander back to back. in the 80's

[Dr. Who]

If there are no CBs worthy of a 2nd (and there aren't), it would be completely foolish to reach.

Edit: I didn't realize Thomas was still there. I do think he's worth that pick. Tre Harris is the other fella to consider. The poll seems to recognize they are the best options.

Edited yesterday at 12:24 AM by Dr. Who

[LEBills]

WR has been pretty light and should be heavily listed in the poll imo Tre Harris has been mentioned, Bills had a 30 visit with Jalen Royals, Jaylin Noel has many fans on the board (idt he has been taken), I like Elic Ayomanor. Probably comes down to DLine or WR with the board this way.

 

Beane was at the South Carolina pro day so they may be interested in DE Kyle Kennard as well as TJ Sanders (or he just missed sweet Carolina and went for the day)

Edited yesterday at 12:02 AM by LEBills

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

This is just my opinion, but I don't think any of those 3 guys are close to worth the 62nd pick. I know Gunner may disagree on Alexander being maybe possible but I am not high on the Cornerbacks after the tier that gets constantly talked about here on the board.

 

I have Cobee Bryant 72nd(but he's probably dropping), then I have Zah Joyner and Alexander back to back. in the 80's

 

No I wouldn't take Alexander here. If I was drafting for more of a man coverage heavy team I would consider Nohl Williams sneaking into the end of round 2 but I think if he ends up with a team that plays the Bills style of zone coverage he is gonna suffer a similar fate to Kaiir Elam where his eye discipline and clunky transitions are going to cause him issues. 

 

If the Bills wanted to trade one of the picks and move back into the top 12 picks of the third then Alexander would be in my mind. Here you would be reaching through a tier of players and I don't think you can justify that.

[Virgil]

4 minutes ago, LEBills said:

WR has been pretty light and should be heavily listed in the poll imo Tre Harris has been mentioned, Bills had a 30 visit with Jalen Royals, Jaylin Noel has many fans on the board (idt he has been taken), I like Elic Ayomanor. Probably comes down to DLine or WR with the board this way.

 

Beane was at the South Carolina pro day so they may be interested in DE Kyle Kennard as well as TJ Sanders (or he just missed sweet Carolina and went for the day)

 

I try not to list more than 3 per position

[MrEpsYtown]

17 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

This is why I hate that Beane tends to leave one big, crying need for draft night, almost NECESSITATING that he fill it with his first round pick.

Suppose draft night rolls around and a defensive tackle or two on the board at pick 30 is higher on the Bills' board than whatever corners are available. Rather than simply take the highest rated player on their board, I suspect they would take the corner for the reasons you mention, factoring in that they can get a DT with a later pick because of such a deep class. 

But personally, I don't want that to be the thinking. I don't want them to have to say "well, we'll take the inferior player here because our need is simply so great, and we'll have faith we can still get a good d-lineman later". I'd rather they have the flexibility to take the guy they truly have ranked highest, even if it means taking a guy in a deep positional class over a guy in a shallow positional class.

I realize there are only so many free agency dollars to go around, but this "leave one big need for the draft and then be forced to pick that position high" tendency has happened over and over on Beane's watch, and it's how we ended up with Kaiir Elam. It's a trend that I quite dislike.

Yep I agree 100%. It’s a really strange pattern. I guess it’s better than the teams who leave a million holes like the 49ers I just drafted for. They need a OL, DL, CB, edge and off ball backer. So no one knows where they might go. 
 

I give credit to Beane filling most of the holes, but leaving that one spot open really forces their hand and makes them pass on guys like Tyler Linderbaum, Tyler Smith, George Karlaftis and Jermaine Johnson in 2022. Both those edge guys went way later than expected and were there for the taking. But we absolutely had to have the corner so could not take BPA. It’s incredibly short sighted, and for a really intelligent front office, it’s really really dumb. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

My short list is first three picks should be I order of BPA DT, CB, and WR because those are only likely position someone can stick. Otherwise we are drafting for practice squad dudes. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:

And this again is why you have to take a CB at 30 and not hoping one drops to 56.

 

 

No CB's left worth the pick and there is still Darius Alexander, Alfred Collins, T.J. Sanders, Omarr Norman Lott, Josh Farmer, Jordan Phillips at DT and then you have Jack Sawyer, Jordan Burch, most of these guys are acceptable players for the DL at 56 or 62.

 

There isn't a single CB I would touch left on the board right now. It used to be Cobee Bryant before his rough combine and apparently he hasn't been good in interviews.

 

In this version there isn't even really a safety worth taking with maybe the exception of Andrew Mukuba. I mean you almost have to take a WR with one of these next two picks just due to value. Could have traded back, got a great value DB at 34 in this draft, taken someone like Alfred Collins at 56 and turn around and got either an Edge or WR at 62 and had a 3rd round pick to play with in the 70's but everyone just had to have Kenneth Grant.

Yet we said the same exact thing but in reverse in 1.0.  There weren’t any Dts worth a dam and Porter was there waving at us.  Everyone just had to have Amos and we drafted a safety and a 3T in rd 2.  🤷🏻‍♂️ 

[gonzo1105]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Yet we said the same exact thing but in reverse in 1.0.  There weren’t any Dts worth a dam and Porter was there waving at us.  Everyone just had to have Amos and we drafted a safety and a 3T in rd 2.  🤷🏻‍♂️ 

 

Im not against drafting a 3T at all to be honest. Farmer, Phillips, Sawyer and Burch were all available still in version 1.

[QLBillsFan]

43 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

If there are no CBs worthy of a 2nd (and there aren't), it would be completely foolish to reach.

Edit: I didn't realize Thomas was still there. I do think he's worth that pick. Tre Harris is the other fella to consider. The poll seems to recognize they are the best options.

Bit surprised Tre Harris is leading the poll. He’s a slightly faster X than Coleman. I would see  Royals as a better option as a home run threat. I just don’t see a WR value here vs improving the D in some way.