S Justin Simmons wants to join the Bills!

[Goin Breakdown]

Nah we have Bishop

Edited Wednesday at 02:36 AM by Goin Breakdown

[DJB]

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Make it work. There’s no limit on the amount of good players we should have here. We all know what depth means and we all know what competition brings. Just get 1. Find a way to get one. If this team ever has a 24 eagle run in them, we’ll all be drunk for the next 5 years anyway. Go all in, get a ring…then do whatever you want for a while. Nobody is going to notice or complain 

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, QB Bills said:

Could not disagree more. Safety might be their weakest position group. This is the guy they should have paid for instead of Bosa. Maybe they can make it work somehow. Would love this for the secondary. 

 

I think its a solid group. I understand why someone might not like the unit but I think the Bills staff is probably not gonna make a major investment there. After a shaky start I liked how Bishop came on as he got more starts. A full off-season to work on things and a camp/pre-season to get a better feel for the game and understand the system and I think Bishop is gonna be a good player. Rapp is a underrated starter and I think having Forrest compete there is underrated competition add as Forrest adds some nice athleticism to the unit. 

 

Hamlin is a solid backup, he also is a willing special teams player which is a positive to have on the bench as it allows the spot to have value on special teams. So adding a mid-rounder into the mix solidifies the unit longer term to get a prospect in there. 

 

I don't hate the idea of adding Simmons but he is going to be 32 this upcoming season and safeties decline around that age. I don't think he's going to represent as much of an upgrade as you think.

[BuffaloRebound]

forrest was brought in for league minimum and bishop showed next to nothing.  Hamlin is getting paid experienced backup money.  Not sure what Simmons has left in tank, but definitely need for a talent infusion at safety.  

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Make it work. There’s no limit on the amount of good players we should have here. We all know what depth means and we all know what competition brings. Just get 1. Find a way to get one. If this team ever has a 24 eagle run in them, we’ll all be drunk for the next 5 years anyway. Go all in, get a ring…then do whatever you want for a while. Nobody is going to notice or complain 

 

Why do you want Simmons then? 2024 was his first full season since 2021. I don't like PFF as metric on it's own, but he was pretty bad: 113th out of 171 safeties and 149th against the run. His tackle numbers (62) were his lowest since 2018 which include seasons where he missed games. His passes defensed went down despite playing a full slate of games. The Falcons defense regressed and ranked 24th in the league with him. So please explain to me why he'd be considered "Good" at this point of his career?

 

17 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Not sure what Simmons has left in tank, but definitely need for a talent infusion at safety. 

 

He's similar to Poyer and Hyde in their final years with the Bills... which is to say utterly done physically.

Edited Wednesday at 04:09 AM by Malazan

[Peace Frog]

 

 

I say let's do it!

[MJS]

59 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

Why do you want Simmons then? 2024 was his first full season since 2021. I don't like PFF as metric on it's own, but he was pretty bad: 113th out of 171 safeties and 149th against the run. His tackle numbers (62) were his lowest since 2018 which include seasons where he missed games. His passes defensed went down despite playing a full slate of games. The Falcons defense regressed and ranked 24th in the league with him. So please explain to me why he'd be considered "Good" at this point of his career?

 

He's similar to Poyer and Hyde in their final years with the Bills... which is to say utterly done physically.

Didn't follow him last year, but if this is all true, that makes sense why nobody clamored to sign him this year OR last year.

[LABILLBACKER]

5 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

The Mahomes killer. Wanted him last year. Would still love him now. 

What's it gonna cost and what do we half left?

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Everyone who's floating out there right now are in limbo. The league is on to the Draft. That's why you're hearing so much "i'd love to play for" so and so lately. They're getting stir crazy.

 

Simmons will get a starting role somewhere post-Draft from someone who's board didn't fall right at Safety. Doubtful that will be us.

 

We're bringing back everyone from last season and a Diamond in the Rough type in Forrest. We'll probably Draft someone somewhere and they'll be set in their eyes. They could have had him last year if they wanted and passed. I'd be surprised if they wanted him now at 32 years old.

 

 

They might have wanted him last year but not been able to come to a contract agreement. It could happen, I'd guess, but would he come here for, say $2.2M for one year when he gets an offer for $5M elsewhere?

 

If they think he's still got it. I haven't a clue, myself.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:04 AM by Thurman#1

[QCity]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I hear what you're saying but Simmons was sitting their for the taking last year as a free agent all the way until mid August before signing with the Falcons.  There were no reports the Bills were interested so I don't see why they would be now. 

 

They simply didn't have the money for him last year, so there certainly wasn't any interest at the price he wanted. He didn't have the best season last year, so if he wants to play for a winner maybe a team-friendly deal is on the table? Who am I kidding - he'll sign with the Carolina Panthers if they offer him the most money.

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I hear what you're saying but Simmons was sitting their for the taking last year as a free agent all the way until mid August before signing with the Falcons.  There were no reports the Bills were interested so I don't see why they would be now. 

 

Yea he never took a visit here last year. Now it is fair to say we had less than zero dollars cap wise at that time and we have a bit more wiggle room now.... so that may have been a factor. But equally if there was minimal interest last year and he is a year older and was okay but no more than that this past year with Atlanta I'm not sure I see a move. 

[njbuff]

5 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

 

 

I say let's do it!

As Ron Simmons would say……..

 

DAMN!!!!!!

[T master]

10 hours ago, boyst said:

Wants and would are two different words. I would welcome him, and I want him. But I would rather not overpay.

And who wouldn't want to be a part of what the Bills have to offer ? I mean you have been in the play offs every year since McD showed up and players can see it even if fans can't .

 

There is a brand new stadium being built that will be according to those that build these places one of a kind when it comes to being special, not only in the structure it self but in the team that will inhabit it for the next forever ! 

 

You have ownership that isn't afraid to give those in charge what ever it is that they need to continue to win and spend money to keep those here to help in that process !

 

Given all of that this guy named 3 or 4 teams he would like to go to the Bills being 1 of them, to which I believe that some of that comes from players like Hyde that said "if he played he would only play for the Bills", Phillips too that said "if he plays it would only be for the Bills" those types of statements are priceless in the fact that what ever it is that is going on here lets other players know that it is very special and you may not find that any where else but right here .

 

Which goes back to that famous phrase that was famously said here in Buffalo NY so many years ago by one of our most beloved Bills members :

 

"Where would you rather be than right here right now"

 

Which I hope is a phrase or that Marvism if you will is put somewhere on the new stadium or maybe on every entrance into that building for all to see !!

 

Buffalo & this team along with the fans is a special place and that is why these players want to come and experience this here and now !! GO BILLS !!! 

Edited Wednesday at 11:55 AM by T master

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

They might have wanted him last year but not been able to come to a contract agreement. It could happen, I'd guess, but would he come here for, say $2.2M for one year when he gets an offer for $5M elsewhere?

 

If they think he's still got it. I haven't a clue, myself.

 

Some guys will take a bit of a discount to play for the teams they would prefer to play for. But there's a limit to that. No one takes a 56% discount.

 

33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea he never took a visit here last year. Now it is fair to say we had less than zero dollars cap wise at that time and we have a bit more wiggle room now.... so that may have been a factor. But equally if there was minimal interest last year and he is a year older and was okay but no more than that this past year with Atlanta I'm not sure I see a move. 

 

Especially since they didn't go after him earlier in the offseason. If they wanted him, they could have easily made that happen. Instead they brought back Damar Hamlin and signed Darrick Forrest.

 

I'm sure we'll Draft a guy at some point too. And at least one, possibly two of the field of Hamlin, Forrest, and the Draft Pick (depending on where they're selected) will be cut. 

 

If Simmons were something they were interested, I really think they'd have been in on him earlier.

[Thurman#1]

15 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Some guys will take a bit of a discount to play for the teams they would prefer to play for. But there's a limit to that. No one takes a 56% discount.

 

 

Especially since they didn't go after him earlier in the offseason. If they wanted him, they could have easily made that happen. Instead they brought back Damar Hamlin and signed Darrick Forrest.

 

I'm sure we'll Draft a guy at some point too. And at least one, possibly two of the field of Hamlin, Forrest, and the Draft Pick (depending on where they're selected) will be cut. 

 

If Simmons were something they were interested, I really think they'd have been in on him earlier.

 

 

Actually, nobody takes big discounts early in their career, but a few do it late, after they've cleaned up their early contracts.

 

I wouldn't expect Simmons to do it, but it's conceivable, or it is if the Bills offer him that kind of a contract.

 

 

And again, we don't know if the Bills were in on Simmons earlier. We just don't know. They might have been but lost out.

 

Not all contacts and negotiations become public. An awful not never become public knowledge.

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:51 AM by Thurman#1

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I think the Bills are "set" at safety after they add a mid-round pick there. I think Hamlin adds depth while Forrest is their competition for Rapp/Cole. I think they will add a mid-rounder for depth/development given that Hamlin and Forrest are on one year deals. 

 

9 hours ago, QB Bills said:

Could not disagree more. Safety might be their weakest position group. This is the guy they should have paid for instead of Bosa. Maybe they can make it work somehow. Would love this for the secondary. 

 

agree Safety room is barren.   only backups in there.

[HOUSE]

This guy will be 32 in November,  can't we buy a newer model?

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

agree Safety room is barren.   only backups in there.

 

Proven backups and a hope and a prayer for big improvement from Bishop. That is absolutely the state of the safety room. 

[boyst]

45 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Proven backups and a hope and a prayer for big improvement from Bishop. That is absolutely the state of the safety room. 

How big of a prayer in your assessment? We talking hail Mary? We talking a few lines of the rosary? An our father?

 

I think Bishop has potential to be a depth player and if anyone can get him to be more it is our secondary coaching since he seemed to lack awareness and discipline in the scheme vs bad athleticism. Granted, he didn't look speedy out there and lacked some spacial awareness, game time instincts, and the processing of the game - I still think he can be a quality backup a few years as a floor.