Ovi's record. Smth like that in NFL?

[Mat68]

17 minutes ago, Artem Lipatov said:

Unbelievable stats. How could Rice make such figures in not-passing era?

I can understand why Emmit's  record is unattainable now (NFL is passing league).

I can understand about Bruce's record ( many of  his sacks would be "roughing the passer" now).

But with all protection to QB and WRs none of them will be close to this record. Rice 22k yards, Julio Jones 13k. How?

At age 39 went over 1300 yards and 40 over 1100

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Football 🏈 please

[DCofNC]

15 hours ago, tigerthelion said:

Gretzky also scored a ton against goalies basically using street hockey equipment and played in the free wheeling wide open 80s.   No need to diminish the goal record.  Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer in NHL history.  Nobody considers him to be in the running for best player ever, obviously, but he has proven to be the best goal scorer.  There is nothing misleading about the goal record.  It is a phenomenal accomplishment.  

 

I think the sacks record is a decent comparison, actually.  If Garrett played at a high level into his late thirties, he could maybe challenge, but that is not likely.

I like this summary of it best.  Ovechkin is one of the greats of the game.  Gretzky likely wouldn’t be quite as good today because the level of athletes is just different, but to my eye, he’s still the best to ever do it.  Guys are bigger, faster, stronger and more specialized now, but Gretzky is more like Brady, not the greatest athlete, he just saw things differently.   He was a true wizard out there, more like Crosby than Ovechkin in that respect.   I take absolutely nothing away from Ovi, can’t see that goal record really being broken either, it takes such insane dedication and no doubt luck, to be able to play so long at such a high level and avoid injury all the while.  To do what either accomplished is nothing short of amazing.

 

I would say the sack record is NEARLY unbreakable, you would need 14 years of exceptionally high level play to get there.  Thats averaging 15 a year.  To do that from 22 to 36 with the athletes they play against today, it’s a really tall task.  Impossible? Nothing is impossible, but to put it into context, Myles Garrett, the best DE we have seen in a long time took 8 seasons to get half way to Bruce.  At that pace, he needs 8 more years of that same pace to catch him.  If he can’t maintain pace, he’s going to need to play productively until he’s 40.  The odds of any of that happening are just astronomical.  Von Miller is the leading active player for sacks at 129.5, you know he’s not adding 70 more.  TJ Watt is the next realistic guy at 108, 8 years in to his career.  No offense to any of these guys, but I just don’t see any of them getting within 3 or 4 full SEASONS worth of sacks in comparison to Bruce.  The level of competition is too high, not only that which they are going against, but from competition for their spots on the roster. 
 

It will be interesting to me to see if Mahomes or anybody for that matter can match Brady’s rings.  I think if anyone can it will be Mahomes simply because of the start he’s had and the passion he plays the game with.  I could see him playing to 40+, if he can add like 2 more rings in the next 4-5 years, he’s got a real shot.  Hopefully, JA stops him and wins the next 4 in a row to redeem Buffalo’s 4 losses in a row, but we will see. 

[DCofNC]

14 hours ago, julian said:

Ovi isn’t the greatest goal scorer of all time, he was able to score a lot of goals for a very long time, he’s proven to be the most consistent goal scorer over a long time. It’s an amazing accomplishment but there’s been more skilled goal scorers, even Gretzky recognized many players who were more skilled goal scorers than himself while he was playing.

 

 Heck, Auston Matthews is on pace to break 894 goals in 9 years and be only 36yrs old compared to Ovi doing it at 39yrs of age.

ON PACE to, as in, needs to maintain a pace that is nearly impossible to maintain for the next decade, avoiding injury, etc.  That’s the key to everything.  Extrapolating stats means nothing.  It’s like saying James Cook is the best back in the NFL after 2022 because he averaged 5.7 yards per carry and if he got the 350 carries like a lead back, he would have 2k yards.  (BTW Barkley averaged 5.8 YPC last year on 345 carries, that’s INSANE), it doesn’t matter until you do it. 
 

I do agree on one account though, I don’t love it when guys who are just “good” break records purely out of longevity.  I look at baseball a lot for this one.  Eddy Murray is a HoF player bc he has 500 home runs, he never had more than 33 in a season and finished the last 6 years of his 20 years as a guy that really should have been replaced, but those mediocre years let him get enough stats to make him appear like one of the all time great home run hitters.  There are countless guys like that out there.  I don’t feel like Ovechkin falls in that category.  Last year was a down year, but he has rebounded and should finish this year with over 50 goals and a positive +-, and even last year 31 goals isn’t terrible, it’s just not up to his standards where we expect him to have 50+ in a full season. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:15 PM by DCofNC

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Wilt Chamberlain’s 100 point game seems pretty unbreakable.

 

I don’t think Bruce Smiths record will be broken either. Other than Reggie White, there isn’t anyone is even remotely close. Not sure how this guy racked up so many sacks as a 3-4 end. 

[BuffaloMatt]

The number of tears I've cried over this team will never be broken. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I am not a huge hockey guy, though my favorite player is Crosby. 
 

I will say that it is weird how Ovi, for all the goals, has so few assists. It’s a real statistical anomaly, given how often the puck is on his stick.

[Gregg]

Even though he turned out to be a POS I would say OJ's 2,003 yards rushing in just 14 games is another record that will never be broken. I don't care how many running backs rush for over 2,000 yards going forward. If they haven't done it in 14 games, then they didn't break OJ's record.

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Wilt Chamberlain’s 100 point game seems pretty unbreakable.

 

I don’t think Bruce Smiths record will be broken either. Other than Reggie White, there isn’t anyone is even remotely close. Not sure how this guy racked up so many sacks as a 3-4 end. 

Because they did have four down defensive sets where Bruce was playing wide

 

Only when they were lined up in the base was Bruce playing inside .. he did line up outside the tackle too

 

Myles Garrett is the only one with a shot 

[julian]

5 hours ago, DCofNC said:

ON PACE to, as in, needs to maintain a pace that is nearly impossible to maintain for the next decade, avoiding injury, etc.  That’s the key to everything.  Extrapolating stats means nothing.  It’s like saying James Cook is the best back in the NFL after 2022 because he averaged 5.7 yards per carry and if he got the 350 carries like a lead back, he would have 2k yards.  (BTW Barkley averaged 5.8 YPC last year on 345 carries, that’s INSANE), it doesn’t matter until you do it. 
 

I do agree on one account though, I don’t love it when guys who are just “good” break records purely out of longevity.  I look at baseball a lot for this one.  Eddy Murray is a HoF player bc he has 500 home runs, he never had more than 33 in a season and finished the last 6 years of his 20 years as a guy that really should have been replaced, but those mediocre years let him get enough stats to make him appear like one of the all time great home run hitters.  There are countless guys like that out there.  I don’t feel like Ovechkin falls in that category.  Last year was a down year, but he has rebounded and should finish this year with over 50 goals and a positive +-, and even last year 31 goals isn’t terrible, it’s just not up to his standards where we expect him to have 50+ in a full season. 

While I agree pace needs context, comparing Matthews 8 year track record of goal scoring to Cook’s single year isn’t a great comparison.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

40 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Because they did have four down defensive sets where Bruce was playing wide

 

Only when they were lined up in the base was Bruce playing inside .. he did line up outside the tackle too

 

Myles Garrett is the only one with a shot 

Why is TJ Watt getting no love? He is only a year older and has 6 more sacks than Garrett. If he can string together a few more 18-20 sacks seasons he has a very decent shot to break it. I think he is the better pass rusher. Garrett might be more numerically consistent, but Watt has seasons where he just snaps. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Why is TJ Watt getting no love? He is only a year older and has 6 more sacks than Garrett. If he can string together a few more 18-20 sacks seasons he has a very decent shot to break it. I think he is the better pass rusher. Garrett might be more numerically consistent, but Watt has seasons where he just snaps. 

Didn't even realize TJ was that high 

 

He definitely has a chance if he stays healthy 

 

The key is 12 sack seasons past 35

Edited Tuesday at 09:39 PM by Buffalo716

[Big Turk]

21 hours ago, julian said:

Ovi isn’t the greatest goal scorer of all time, he was able to score a lot of goals for a very long time, he’s proven to be the most consistent goal scorer over a long time. It’s an amazing accomplishment but there’s been more skilled goal scorers, even Gretzky recognized many players who were more skilled goal scorers than himself while he was playing.

 

 Heck, Auston Matthews is on pace to break 894 goals in 9 years and be only 36yrs old compared to Ovi doing it at 39yrs of age.

 

The man has scored 40+ goals 14 times which is the most in NHL history, Gretzky is in 2nd place with 12 seasons.

 

He also is tied for the NHL lead with 9 50+ goal seasons with Gretzky and Mike Bossy.

 

He has also led the NHL in Goals 9 separate seasons.

 

I'm not sure if you are trying to split hairs, but that level of production is very rare.

 

Let's not act like he did this by scoring 25 goals for his whole career. He has had elite production for the majority of his career.

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:52 PM by Big Turk

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

The man has scored 40+ goals 14 times which is the most in NHL history, Gretzky is in 2nd place with 12 seasons.

 

He also is tied for the NHL lead with 9 50+ goal seasons with Gretzky and Mike Bossy.

 

I'm not sure if you are trying to split hairs, but that level of production is very rare.

 

 

He is the Bruce Smith of hockey 

 

Longevity with consistent production and people feared him

[julian]

57 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

The man has scored 40+ goals 14 times which is the most in NHL history, Gretzky is in 2nd place with 12 seasons.

 

He also is tied for the NHL lead with 9 50+ goal seasons with Gretzky and Mike Bossy.

 

He has also led the NHL in Goals 9 separate seasons.

 

I'm not sure if you are trying to split hairs, but that level of production is very rare.

 

Let's not act like he did this by scoring 25 goals for his whole career. He has had elite production for the majority of his career.

 

He’s not the most talented goal scorer the NHL has ever seen, he just passed a guy(Gretzky) who openly admitted to not being close to the most talented goal scorers. 
 

 Ovi has like 120 more power play goals than Gretzky, one timers on a goalie sliding from side to side with a man advantage.

 

 Ovi is a more talented goal scorer than Gretzky, even 99 would openly admitted to that, but there’s other NHL players you’re taking in a shootout before Ovi, can you argue he has the most dangerous one timer ? Absolutely 

[Artem Lipatov]

8 hours ago, DCofNC said:

I don’t love it when guys who are just “good” break records purely out of longevity.

You reminded me when Frank Gore passed Barry Sanders in career yards. But Ovechkin is another story. He is elite level for many years . He has 9 Maurice Richard trophies (best scorer of season). 

What NFL player won important stats category  for 9 seasons? For example Henry was best only in 2 seasons in rushing yards but the feeling he is dominating king, not  "just good"

Edited Wednesday at 12:53 AM by Artem Lipatov

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, julian said:

He’s not the most talented goal scorer the NHL has ever seen, he just passed a guy(Gretzky) who openly admitted to not being close to the most talented goal scorers. 
 

 Ovi has like 120 more power play goals than Gretzky, one timers on a goalie sliding from side to side with a man advantage.

 

 Ovi is a more talented goal scorer than Gretzky, even 99 would openly admitted to that, but there’s other NHL players you’re taking in a shootout before Ovi, can you argue he has the most dangerous one timer ? Absolutely 

 

Gretzky was so good that it was like he was playing with 12 year old kids on the ice.  If he wanted to score 1200-1300 goals, he easily could have.

 

He was more of a setup man, going thru 2 or 3 players and then dishing it off to teammates to set them up for goals.

 

He is almost 1000 points clear of the next closest player for his career. That's absurd.

 

What's even MORE absurd is that Gretzky's 1963 assists are more than any other player has points (goals + assists). Jagr is in 2nd place with 1921 points. Then add on 894 goals for Gretzky as well.

 

His assists and points record are so far and above the next closest player, those will never be even approached.

 

Still the only player to ever have more than 200 points in a season, which he did 4 times, and had 150+ points 9 times. The only other player to do it more than once was Mario Lemiuex who did it 4 times.

Edited Wednesday at 04:55 AM by Big Turk

[Taro Nimbus]

On 4/7/2025 at 7:07 PM, ProcessTruster said:

nice record, but Gretzky has no peer, and its not even close

 

I live in the DC area, and Ovi scored a ton by burying a bunch of one timers from the top of the circle on the power play.. like hundreds of goals this way.. a little like Cook scoring a pile of TDs from inside the 10, makes the total TD count kind of misleading

 

The Great One is hundreds of points ahead of anyone else.. total team player.   multiple Stanley Cups , etc etc.  

 

Ovi is kind of like a Randy Moss or Jerry Rice, amazing ability to score a ton but ....  

and yet no one could stop him once he set up shop in the same spot.  🤷🏻‍♂️

[julian]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Gretzky was so good that it was like he was playing with 12 year old kids on the ice.  If he wanted to score 1200-1300 goals, he easily could have.

 

He was more of a setup man, going thru 2 or 3 players and then dishing it off to teammates to set them up for goals.

 

He is almost 1000 points clear of the next closest player for his career. That's absurd.

 

What's even MORE absurd is that Gretzky's 1963 assists are more than any other player has points (goals + assists). Jagr is in 2nd place with 1921 points. Then add on 894 goals for Gretzky as well.

 

His assists and points record are so far and above the next closest player, those will never be even approached.

 

Still the only player to ever have more than 200 points in a season, which he did 4 times, and had 150+ points 9 times. The only other player to do it more than once was Mario Lemiuex who did it 4 times.

The numbers are absurd, my favourite record is 50 goals in 39 games lol.

 

Lemieux was the only player who had a legit shot at all Gretzky’s records if not for a bad back and cancer, he was amazing.

[DCofNC]

12 hours ago, Artem Lipatov said:

You reminded me when Frank Gore passed Barry Sanders in career yards. But Ovechkin is another story. He is elite level for many years . He has 9 Maurice Richard trophies (best scorer of season). 

What NFL player won important stats category  for 9 seasons? For example Henry was best only in 2 seasons in rushing yards but the feeling he is dominating king, not  "just good"

Thats what I’m saying when I say I don’t think he fits in that conversation.  He’s been great and done it a long time.  Records fall when you combine elite level play and longevity.   Frank Gore is a great example of a fairly average player getting to records through longevity.  Gore was good, don’t get me wrong, but if he had a typical length career, nobody is thinking he has a shot at the HOF.

7 hours ago, julian said:

The numbers are absurd, my favourite record is 50 goals in 39 games lol.

 

Lemieux was the only player who had a legit shot at all Gretzky’s records if not for a bad back and cancer, he was amazing.

That’s just insane.

10 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Gretzky was so good that it was like he was playing with 12 year old kids on the ice.  If he wanted to score 1200-1300 goals, he easily could have.

 

He was more of a setup man, going thru 2 or 3 players and then dishing it off to teammates to set them up for goals.

 

He is almost 1000 points clear of the next closest player for his career. That's absurd.

 

What's even MORE absurd is that Gretzky's 1963 assists are more than any other player has points (goals + assists). Jagr is in 2nd place with 1921 points. Then add on 894 goals for Gretzky as well.

 

His assists and points record are so far and above the next closest player, those will never be even approached.

 

Still the only player to ever have more than 200 points in a season, which he did 4 times, and had 150+ points 9 times. The only other player to do it more than once was Mario Lemiuex who did it 4 times.

Agreed on all fronts, he was amazing, it’s like he saw things that nobody else did.   I liken his style to a great point guard, who also could score.  Maybe a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd kind of thing, where yeah they CAN score 40, but they are more happy to drop 18 pts and have 15 assists.

Edited Wednesday at 01:07 PM by DCofNC