Thoughts on Attempting to Obtain 4 2025 2nd Round Draft Picks?

[HIT BY SPIKES]

I see some real positive response here to this idea.

[BillsFanForever19]

25 minutes ago, HIT BY SPIKES said:

I see some real positive response here to this idea.

 

Not your Draft. That was awful. Even without you spending a 2nd on an Undraftable Player who's been criminally charged with Sexual Assault with an affidavit released to the public that shows an open and shut case.

 

Why would we spend a 2nd on an OT with Dawkins and Brown locked up for years, still young, and each playing at a very high level?

 

You want to roll out Dane Jackson or a 5th Rounder (at best) as our starting CB opposite Benford?

Edited Sunday at 01:40 AM by BillsFanForever19

[HIT BY SPIKES]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Not your Draft. That was awful. Even without you spending a 2nd on an Undraftable Player who's been criminally charged with Sexual Assault with an affidavit released to the public that shows an open and shut case.

 

Why would we spend a 2nd on an OT with Dawkins and Brown locked up for years, still young, and each playing at a very high level?

 

You want to roll out Dane Jackson or a 5th Rounder (at best) as our starting CB opposite Benford?

 

Dion will be 31 years old in 2 weeks.  NOT young.

 

Brown hasn't got the feet to ever be a NFL LT.  It wasn't that long ago that there was some discussion of the Bills cutting bait on him until he had a good enough season to warrant a post-rookie contract.

 

The recent development on Bond is well recent => https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/more-details-emerge-regarding-allegation-against-isaiah-bond

 

I am not married to the pick and quite frankly my huge team of crack researchers were hitting the pipe hard that day.

 

A WR in the 2nd round with speed makes sense and NO a 6'5" slow as a giraffe WR is NOT needed given our draft and salary cap investment in our 2 TEs.

 

With respect to a CB, I am NOT adverse to drafting a CB although our history of drafting CBs too high or if they do work out, watching them leave always made me wonder who were these Bills fans who got excited when the Bills drafted yet another early round CB.

 

Thank you for the revelation.

 

I was hoping we would address our #2 CB starting position in Free Agency however perhaps the Bills see something in the CBs on the roster that you and I do NOT see.

 

Edited Sunday at 03:58 AM by HIT BY SPIKES

[nedboy7]

I like it.  If Bean doesn’t do this he’s a chump.

[BillsFanForever19]

18 minutes ago, HIT BY SPIKES said:

 

Dion will be 31 years old in 2 weeks.  NOT young.

 

Brown hasn't got the feet to ever be a NFL LT.  It wasn't that long ago that there was some discussion of the Bills cutting bait on him until he had a good enough season to warrant a post-rookie contract.

 

Great Offensive Tackles can play late into their 30's. Jason Peters was starting at LT when he was damn near 40.

 

Dion Dawkins is under contract until 2028. Spencer Brown is under contract until 2029. Both are coming off perhaps the best seasons of their careers. They're playing at an incredibly high level. 

 

It's an absolutely insane notion to look at the play of our Tackles last season and think we need a succession plan in place. You don't spend a pick on an OT that high to be a Backup for what is most likely the entirety of their Rookie contract.

 

It's even crazier to look at Spencer Brown's play over the last two years and go "yeah but he didn't look great his first two seasons".

Edited Sunday at 04:08 AM by BillsFanForever19

[HIT BY SPIKES]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Great Offensive Tackles can play late into their 30's. Jason Peters was starting at LT when he was damn near 40.

 

Dion Dawkins is under contract until 2028. Spencer Brown is under contract until 2029. Both are coming off perhaps the best seasons of their careers. They're playing at an incredibly high level. 

 

It's an absolutely insane notion to look at the play of our Tackles last season and think we need a succession plan in place. You don't spend a pick on an OT that high to be a Backup for what is most likely the entirety of their Rookie contract.

 

You just like that BIG personality of Dion eh?

 

SHOWTIME!!!

 

So you point to an outlier anomaly of Jason Peters who played TE in college and we drafted and molded into a LT as the rule of thumb that OL play into their late 30's?

 

The truth is these are very big men with quick feet to be successful at the LT position in the NFL so as they gain age and weight playing excellent NFL football late into a career becomes difficult and often when the drop off in performance happens it is very rapid.

 

So rotating a 2d round drafted OT in 2025 is by no means insane.

 

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

 

That would be drafting yet another CB in the 1st round.

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

4 hours ago, HIT BY SPIKES said:

 

You just like that BIG personality of Dion eh?

 

SHOWTIME!!!

 

So you point to an outlier anomaly of Jason Peters who played TE in college and we drafted and molded into a LT as the rule of thumb that OL play into their late 30's?

 

The truth is these are very big men with quick feet to be successful at the LT position in the NFL so as they gain age and weight playing excellent NFL football late into a career becomes difficult and often when the drop off in performance happens it is very rapid.

 

So rotating a 2d round drafted OT in 2025 is by no means insane.

 

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

 

That would be drafting yet another CB in the 1st round.

 

My dude - you're nuts if you think people just like Dion for his personality. He was one of the best LT's in the game last season. He was constantly earning praise from analysts and former OL all year. 

 

We had the best Offensive Line we had in years last year. And a large part of that was the play of Dawkins and Brown. A succession plan isn't even a thought in anyone's mind right now. Especially Beane's. And I'm simply baffled by you trash talking either after last year. 

 

And OT's play 100% of the snaps or damn close to it. It isn't a position you "rotate" like DL. You want to Draft competition or an upgrade from the Backups of Ryan Van Demark and Tyson Grable? That's fine. But you don't spend a premium pick on a Backup OT. Especially with the amount of holes we have on this team right now.

 

As for the CB statement - players bust. It happens. Just because Kaiir Elam was a bust doesn't mean every CB Drafted in Round 1 is going to be Kaiir Elam. It's really flawed thinking to think that way.

 

I'm not saying you pigeon hole a CB in Round 1 if the value isn't there. But we're not in a position to wait until Round 5 to take one. It would be absolute malpractice to have 4 2nd Round Picks and not take a CB with any of them. Going into next season with Dane Jackson or a 5th Rounder as a Starter opposite Benford would have opposing QB's licking their chops.

 

Btw - we've only Drafted a CB twice in Round 1. The other time? Tre'Davious White. So your "definition of insanity"... doesn't even track.

Edited Sunday at 08:33 AM by BillsFanForever19

[Nephilim17]

Anything's a possibility but it all hinges on how the draft plays out and Beane's board.

You don't necessarily go into a draft saying, "We need four second-rounders," because you don't know who will be there and who will be gone when the Bills' first-round pick comes up. 

It's a possibility later on, not a must-do right now.

[HIT BY SPIKES]

5 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Anything's a possibility but it all hinges on how the draft plays out and Beane's board.

You don't necessarily go into a draft saying, "We need four second-rounders," because you don't know who will be there and who will be gone when the Bills' first-round pick comes up. 

It's a possibility later on, not a must-do right now.

 

YES , of course.

 

Those are all draft day trades that are made only if Beane sees players drop into the 2nd round from he had 1st round grade on or are still available in the 2nd round within an accessible trade reach.

 

I am NOT suggesting Beane start accumulating draft picks before the the draft.

 

Just a plan for the happiest day of all happy days.

 

NO prep needed now.

 

No stockings need to be filed now.

 

No gifts need to be wrapped now.

 

Our "Christmas" is a very long way off...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 11:08 AM by HIT BY SPIKES

[nosejob]

10 hours ago, HIT BY SPIKES said:

I see some real positive response here to this idea.

I'm surprised Brownie and Tasker were as polite to your idea.

[HIT BY SPIKES]

2 hours ago, nosejob said:

I'm surprised Brownie and Tasker were as polite to your idea.

 

You need to have more faith in humanity during this Lent season Bills Brethren.

 

I am sure like lawyers/attorneys that are buried at the bottom of the ocean, deep deep deep deep down those two are good people.

 

You have to remember that there are good peeps on both sides of the butthole dividing line.