Thoughts on Attempting to Obtain 4 2025 2nd Round Draft Picks?

[HIT BY SPIKES]

My reading for what it is worth is that the 2nd round is particularly deep with plenty of "value" this year.

 

We already pick twice in the 2nd round at #56 and #62.

 

Our 1st round pick at #30 is essence a high 2nd round pick.

 

What do you think if we trade our 1st round pick and our two 4th round picks (#109 and #132) plus our three 5th round picks (#169, #170 and #173) in a series of trades so we end up with four 2nd round picks?

 

That would still leave us with our two 6th round picks (#177 and #206) for flyers.

 

I just think this team's roster is currently too deep for a 4th or 5th round drafted player to make the line up unless he is a specialist of some sort.

 

On the other hand, we may NOT get four 2025 starters from four 2nd round picks but we very well may get 4 starters by 2026.

 

Four 2nd round picks could get the Bills a DT, a OL, a WR....whatever that would either start in 2025 or rotate in enough to become a starter in 2025.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Virgil]

For a draft with very few first round talent grades, I would be fine with this.  
 

However, I’m also fine with trading a 2nd and 1st to move up for a defensive game wrecker.  
 

[MJS]

Sounds like a Madden trade

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, HIT BY SPIKES said:

My reading for what it is worth is that the 2nd round is particularly deep with plenty of "value" this year.

 

We already pick twice in the 2nd round at #56 and #62.

 

Our 1st round pick at #30 is essence a high 2nd round pick.

 

What do you think if we trade our 1st round pick and our two 4th round picks (#109 and #132) plus our three 5th round picks (#169, #170 and #173) in a series of trades so we end up with four 2nd round picks?

 

That would still leave us with our two 6th round picks (#177 and #206) for flyers.

 

I just think this team's roster is currently too deep for a 4th or 5th round drafted player to make the line up unless he is a specialist of some sort.

 

On the other hand, we may NOT get four 2025 starters from four 2nd round picks but we very well may get 4 starters by 2026.

 

Four 2nd round picks could get the Bills a DT, a OL, a WR....whatever that would either start in 2025 or rotate in enough to become a starter in 2025.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing about trades like this is that all the other GMs in NFL have similar ideas on where the “value” is in this draft.

 

So really, why would any opposing GM do this?

 

The only reason is if they have a player they covet when we pick. And even then, do they covet them enough to take them in round 1 and basically miss out on day 2?

 

They are all trying to rob the same train. 

[QLBillsFan]

It would depend on who is available at #30. That’s a lot of picks to move around. It’s possible but would depend. 

[Trust The Process]

Uhm, NO

[BarleyNY]

41 minutes ago, Virgil said:

For a draft with very few first round talent grades, I would be fine with this.  
 

However, I’m also fine with trading a 2nd and 1st to move up for a defensive game wrecker.  
 

I agree. I don’t think moving up to the 2nd round with our 4th & 5th round picks is realistic, but a trade back from 30 is - depending on who is on the board. I’d also rather move up in the first though. but if we did move back from 30 with, say Indy, then a reasonable trade would be 45 & 80 for 30 & 170. I don’t think that it would be worth coming up from 80 into the 2nd, but we could probably pull it off if we really wanted to do it. 

[HIT BY SPIKES]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Sounds like a Madden trade

 

In what way?

 

I have NEVER played Madden.

 

Is it fun?

 

Please tell me.

 

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1 hour ago, Virgil said:

For a draft with very few first round talent grades, I would be fine with this.  
 

However, I’m also fine with trading a 2nd and 1st to move up for a defensive game wrecker.  
 

 

Those were my initial thoughts however I don't see one falling to where our 1st and one of our 2nd round picks gets us this defensive "game changer".

 

 

 

 

 

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[HIT BY SPIKES]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

The thing about trades like this is that all the other GMs in NFL have similar ideas on where the “value” is in this draft.

 

So really, why would any opposing GM do this?

 

The only reason is if they have a player they covet when we pick. And even then, do they covet them enough to take them in round 1 and basically miss out on day 2?

 

They are all trying to rob the same train. 

 

Wisdom.

 

I have NO idea how Beane was able to make trades in previous drafts.

 

He seems to be able to do it each and every year despite all GMs having the same information and desires.

 

Are we so lucky as to have some sorta wizard as a GM?

 

 

[FireChans]

18 minutes ago, HIT BY SPIKES said:

 

Wisdom.

 

I have NO idea how Beane was able to make trades in previous drafts.

 

He seems to be able to do it each and every year despite all GMs having the same information and desires.

 

Are we so lucky as to have some sorta wizard as a GM?

 

 

I’m not sure id describe trading up for Kaiir Elam as a wizard move 

[BlueRed]

Studying some of the draft value trade charts I think the Bills could wheel and deal their way to 20 - 5th round picks (Beanes sweet spot)!

Cost control and cheap labor for 4 years! 🙃

[MJS]

1 hour ago, HIT BY SPIKES said:

In what way?

 

I have NEVER played Madden.

 

Is it fun?

 

Please tell me.

Because it is a ridiculous trade that would never happen. The Bills trade 6 draft picks for two 2nd round picks so they have 4 2nd round picks. It is just pie in the sky ridiculous and would never actually happen. Nobody ever makes moves like that. Ever.

 

For one thing, teams actually value having later round picks to spend on developmental prospects and depth.

 

Is there room on the roster for 5 premium draft picks (a 1st rounder and 4 2nd), players that you typically want to start right away? No, they would be sitting on the bench. AND your draft becomes very expensive cap wise. And then all their contracts would be up at the same time.

 

Maybe a team that is terrible and rebuilding. But even then, it just doesn't happen that way. For one thing, why would those teams want all our crappy day three picks to give us a premium pick?

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[Yobogoya!]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

The thing about trades like this is that all the other GMs in NFL have similar ideas on where the “value” is in this draft.

 

So really, why would any opposing GM do this?

 

The only reason is if they have a player they covet when we pick. And even then, do they covet them enough to take them in round 1 and basically miss out on day 2?

 

They are all trying to rob the same train. 

There’s the additional incentive of the first round picks having the fifth year contract option. It might not be much, but there are teams who have made a move into the low 1st round in years past just to have that extra little bit of flexibility. 

[Augie]

24 minutes ago, MJS said:

Because it is a ridiculous trade that would never happen. The Bills trade 6 draft picks for two 2nd round picks so they have 4 2nd round picks. It is just pie in the sky ridiculous and would never actually happen. Nobody ever makes moves like that. Ever.

 

For one thing, teams actually value having later round picks to spend on developmental prospects and depth.

 

Is there room on the roster for 5 premium draft picks (a 1st rounder and 4 2nd), players that you typically want to start right away? No, they would be sitting on the bench. AND your draft becomes very expensive cap wise. And then all their contracts would be up at the same time.

 

Maybe a team that is terrible and rebuilding. But even then, it just doesn't happen that way. For one thing, why would those teams want all our crappy day three picks to give us a premium pick?

 

Yeah, but, other than that……..

 

😊

[HIT BY SPIKES]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

I’m not sure id describe trading up for Kaiir Elam as a wizard move 

 

Was evil witchcraft involved?

 

NO one is going to defend that move by Beane.

 

Nonetheless, every draft he seems to be able to trade around the board.

 

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1 hour ago, BlueRed said:

Studying some of the draft value trade charts I think the Bills could wheel and deal their way to 20 - 5th round picks (Beanes sweet spot)!

Cost control and cheap labor for 4 years! 🙃

 

Excellent idea!!!

 

None of those 20 5th round picks will make the team and will probably be a very miserable bunch given they will quickly know that.

 

You got room at your place to house 20 angry athletes for a few months?

 

 

 

 

 

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[FireChans]

12 minutes ago, HIT BY SPIKES said:

 

Was evil witchcraft involved?

 

NO one is going to defend that move by Beane.

 

Nonetheless, every draft he seems to be able to trade around the board.

 

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Excellent idea!!!

 

None of those 20 5th round picks will make the team and will probably be a very miserable bunch given they will quickly know that.

 

You got room at your place to house 20 angry athletes for a few months?

 

 

 

 

 

It’s actually funny you say that, because last year was the most notable year that Beane wasn’t able to move up the draft much.

 

It was a relatively weaker draft. The plan of using extra anmo to move up never materialized. He found plenty of suitors to move back because those later picks weren’t valued as high

[psuscott16]

Would suck to have to potentially pay them all when contracts are up in 4 years. 

[HIT BY SPIKES]

41 minutes ago, psuscott16 said:

Would suck to have to potentially pay them all when contracts are up in 4 years. 

 

What a hardship to have to pay 4 starters drafted in the 2nd round.

[BuffaloBillyG]

As with all of these predraft far fetched situations...

 

It all depends on how the board plays out. That's the answer to most draft questions. You play how the board unfolds. Could it happen? Who knows. But who are the players that are there that mak it happen? 

 

No amount of "How would you feel about...." Is accurately answered without knowing who is on the board at that time. Something we won't know til draft night. 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, HIT BY SPIKES said:

 

What a hardship to have to pay 4 starters drafted in the 2nd round.

It sucks having good players commanding good salaries. We need more Damar Hamlin’s taking near vet minimums instead lol