Who are the most overrated and underrated Bills?

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

The comparison isn’t about the position they play…It’s to show that even the most mediocre of players can have flashes of good games…👍

Obviously. But choosing 3 QBs who have the play flow through them and have more opportunity as opposed to other DTs that have a more passive opportunity to flash per game is....a choice. Almost like you don't understand that even if a DT is doing his job and doing it solid he isn't going to flash on tape. 👍

[FireChans]

19 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Oooh fun game!

 

Underrated: Kincaid, the 2024 whipping boy. 117 catches his first 2 years, has shown flashes of tremendous upside. How dare a player need to develop. I demand instant gratification.

 

Overrated: James Cook, how much of his production was from Allen and a great OL?

 

Dalton will be 45 before anyone expects him to have developed

[JaCrispy]

17 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Obviously. But choosing 3 QBs who have the play flow through them and have more opportunity as opposed to other DTs that have a more passive opportunity to flash per game is....a choice. Almost like you don't understand that even if a DT is doing his job and doing it solid he isn't going to flash on tape. 👍

I think that’s a given…

 

But there are chunks of the season that go by, and you have to check for Oliver’s number on the field, because you rarely ever hear his name mentioned…

 

For a top 10 3tech, who is supposed to be your passrushing, game wrecking specialist, to say Oliver underwhelms with greatness and overwhelms with disappointment, I think hits the nail on the head…👍

[DJB]

37 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

 

Overrated: James Cook, how much of his production was from Allen and a great OL?

 

 

I’ve said this going back the past two seasons . He’s an average to above average starting RB who is propped up by Josh and the oline. 

Edited Sunday at 06:25 PM by DJB

[TheyCallMeAndy]

10 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

I’ve said this going back the past two seasons . He’s an average to above average starting RB who is propped up by Josh and the oline. 

We've seen RBs have huge TD seasons, get paid, then immediately go back to modest production. 

[3rdand12]

On 4/5/2025 at 11:20 AM, H2o said:

I like Skakir. I'm glad we gave him a contract extension. I see him as Josh's new Beasley. A perfect and reliable outlet for Josh, but he's really just another solid Slot WR. I think Bills fans put him on a pedestal like he's something more than what he really is. 

disagree H2o and others here.

 Shakir is a key component in Josh's Offense. He scores he makes critical plays , he gets open enough , and he doesnt drop footballs.

Beasely was your short are guy who got open, made the first down. For a hot season.

 Shakir is the real deal and long term !

Underated : Quinton Morris and under utilized catching as a 4th check.

Overated ; hmm Maybe Dion D. solid and great techniques, but pro bowl might be a bit much  ( luv ya Dion )

[3rdand12]

25 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I think that’s a given…

 

But there are chunks of the season that go by, and you have to check for Oliver’s number on the field, because you rarely ever hear his name mentioned…

 

For a top 10 3tech, who is supposed to be your passrushing, game wrecking specialist, to say Oliver underwhelms with greatness and overwhelms with disappointment, I think hits the nail on the head…👍

We do make excuses for him.

and he can be a force.

 Whats the secret to getting him to play out of his mind during the playoffs ?

and yes I am sitting on the thought that upgrading the D line as a whole using my wishes will greatly improve Groot and and then Oliver.

Maybe even AJ will semi redeem his self lol

 If Oliver isn't creating disruption each game ? That needs to be fixed.

42 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Dalton will be 45 before anyone expects him to have developed

lets see how he does free from injuries this season, and hoping Brady finds his sweet spot on the offense. Deep seams ??

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Oooh fun game!

 

Underrated: Kincaid, the 2024 whipping boy. 117 catches his first 2 years, has shown flashes of tremendous upside. How dare a player need to develop. I demand instant gratification.

 

Overrated: James Cook, how much of his production was from Allen and a great OL?

 

I don't want to pay $15m a year to Cook but I don't see him as overrated.  His vision is superb and we haven't had that go the distance long speed threat at RB since McCoy.

[CSBill]

Of current Bills:

 

Overrated = Matt Milano

Underrated = O'Cyrus Torrence.

[GunnerBill]

16 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

We've seen RBs have huge TD seasons, get paid, then immediately go back to modest production. 

 

I don't ever expect him to match 2024 TD production. That would be a big ask. But his vision is so good that it definitely isn't fair to say he is just a product of the oline and Josh. He sees gaps that a LOT of running backs wouldn't see and get the maximum from them. I actually think he is still a tad underrated by Bills fans. And I say that as someone who remains in the "don't pay running backs" camp. 

16 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

 

Underated : Quinton Morris and under utilized catching as a 4th check.

Overated ; hmm Maybe Dion D. solid and great techniques, but pro bowl might be a bit much  ( luv ya Dion )

 

Morris is not on the roster right now. Although I believe he remains unsigned....

[3rdand12]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't ever expect him to match 2024 TD production. That would be a big ask. But his vision is so good that it definitely isn't fair to say he is just a product of the oline and Josh. He sees gaps that a LOT of running backs wouldn't see and get the maximum from them. I actually think he is still a tad underrated by Bills fans. And I say that as someone who remains in the "don't pay running backs" camp. 

 

Morris is not on the roster right now. Although I believe he remains unsigned....

I was aware about Morris , and you are correct ! Not on the Roster

Just felt he played his role well , and saw him well open too many times for check downs . And he caught most of what was thrown at him while here albeit very few. Willing blocker and humble Bills type player

Hence

 Underrated.

 

[The Jokeman]

Underrated: Connor McGovern– People don't talk about how seamless it was to go from Morse to McGovern last season. 

 

Overrated: O'Cyrus Torrence- The worst of our starting 5. He's a mauler but still not great if call him average at best but people think he's great as was supposed to be a 1st rounder but fell to us in Round 2 but I'm not overly impressed.

[FireChans]

On 4/7/2025 at 5:28 PM, The Jokeman said:

Underrated: Connor McGovern– People don't talk about how seamless it was to go from Morse to McGovern last season. 

I think even this is underrating it lol. McGovern was an improvement on Mitch

[Buffalo716]

On 4/7/2025 at 7:05 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't ever expect him to match 2024 TD production. That would be a big ask. But his vision is so good that it definitely isn't fair to say he is just a product of the oline and Josh. He sees gaps that a LOT of running backs wouldn't see and get the maximum from them. I actually think he is still a tad underrated by Bills fans. And I say that as someone who remains in the "don't pay running backs" camp. 

 

Morris is not on the roster right now. Although I believe he remains unsigned....

Cook is Chris Johnson lite 

 

I loved the pick on draft and envisioned this certainly once he got his shot 

 

He has tremendous vision and is a natural runner... Still have trepidation about paying him 15 million 

 

FYI his house in Buffalo is for sale so I think he knows he's gone

[Rocky Landing]

20 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I think even this is underrating it lol. McGovern was an improvement on Mitch

This was really a surprise to me. Mitch Morse was a solid center for us. I was shocked when they released him for what was really a paltry savings. My thought at the time was: If McGovern was a better center, and Edwards at least a lateral move at LG, then that's how they would have played '23, as both those players were on the team in '23. Everything else Beane did in the last offseason made sense to me, including releasing Diggs. But that one was a head-scratcher. It's one of those moves that, in retrospect, increases my confidence in Beane's judgement. (And Kromer's, for that matter.)

[Buffalo716]

26 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

This was really a surprise to me. Mitch Morse was a solid center for us. I was shocked when they released him for what was really a paltry savings. My thought at the time was: If McGovern was a better center, and Edwards at least a lateral move at LG, then that's how they would have played '23, as both those players were on the team in '23. Everything else Beane did in the last offseason made sense to me, including releasing Diggs. But that one was a head-scratcher. It's one of those moves that, in retrospect, increases my confidence in Beane's judgement. (And Kromer's, for that matter.)

What people forget is that McGovern was a natural center at Penn st but played all over

 

Got drafted by the cowboys who had a great center... So he had to learn guard at the NFL level..  which has a completely different skill set than a center

 

So we had to improve his one-on-one technique and drive blocking and core strength 

 

When the cowboys tried him back out at center it was a learning curve because it was something he didn't do for a while and got adjusted to guard.. the blocking scheme for a center and guard is completely different

 

The bills brought him in to play guard while eventually taking over center so they had him cross training to stay fresh.. and he got to reacclimate some of his center skills before he was thrown to the fire

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Figster]

Overrated James Cook

 

Underrated James Cook

 

Good grief

 

I view the importance of James Cook to the Bills O now as I would Thurman Thomas back in the day. 

 

Can we just pay this guy ?

[MarkyMannn]

On 4/6/2025 at 2:38 PM, 3rdand12 said:

 Shakir is a key component in Josh's Offense. He scores he makes critical plays , he gets open enough , and he doesnt drop footballs

He's a good player, but scores? He had 4 tds in 18 games last year.  Just for contrast, Cook had 21 tds

[JP51]

Overrated - literally the entire starting defense minus Benford, Johnson  and Bernard (Milano only because of availability. injury etc.... )  Rousseau is inconsistent... Oliver is flashes at times but is consistently underperforming otherwise, Jones is washed,  Epi got paid and did zero, Rapp is over positioned as a starter, Hamiln is over positioned as a starter, Von is gone but totally over rated at this stage,  Douglas is gone but was over positioned or over rated, Williams not a starter but rated fairly. 

 

Underrated - Torrence, McGovern, Ty Johnson, 

[Mark Vader]

Overrated: James Cook
 

Underrated: Dorian Williams