Buffalo716 Posted Saturday at 08:52 PM Posted Saturday at 08:52 PM (edited) On 4/5/2025 at 8:16 PM, Einstein said: It's almost like the Chiefs read our tendencies like a book... Karlaftis schooled Spencer on that rep. And Spencer should have known that he needed to protect the bail-out when he saw two free rushers coming to his left. In a nut-shell. Spencer: Saw 2 free rushers to his left - did nothing. Saw Karlaftis beat him to his right (where Allen always bails) - did nothing. He was horrible that rep and horrible for a decent portion of that game in pass pro. As for his run blocking, it's always been good. It was his pass blocking that was an issue. And he resolved much of that issue this year - until the playoffs. I know you've been beating the "Josh was fooled" drum since after the game ended, but I disagreed then and I disagree now. Well, actually, let me back up. I *do* think Josh was fooled in the mind-frame that he thought they were coming left. However, what I disagree with is that it mattered. Ryan Fitzpatirck, who has forgotten more about football than either of us will ever know, stated clearly that Allen had no chance on that play - EVEN IF he had slid protection right. Fitz said that there was simply no way to block what the Chiefs sent with the personnel we had on the field. And I agree with him. Expand That just comes down to Allen having to process it faster that play.. Tom Brady lived off of edge blitz's and overloads finding the hot guy ... Every defensive play does have a counter.. it's just that disguises and perfect timing can make it hard to counter Spencer Brown is going to be the best RT in the NFL sooner than later .. he's going to be a Stalwart for the next 5-7 years and keeps growing I also was pounding the table that Spencer Brown was about to break out well before he ever did and plenty of people criticized me Edited Saturday at 08:53 PM by Buffalo716 2 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted Saturday at 09:03 PM Posted Saturday at 09:03 PM On 4/5/2025 at 4:48 PM, Coach Tuesday said: Martin’s gone brah Expand still …. 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted Saturday at 09:22 PM Posted Saturday at 09:22 PM On 4/5/2025 at 8:16 PM, Einstein said: It's almost like the Chiefs read our tendencies like a book... Karlaftis schooled Spencer on that rep. And Spencer should have known that he needed to protect the bail-out when he saw two free rushers coming to his left. In a nut-shell. Spencer: Saw 2 free rushers to his left - did nothing. Saw Karlaftis beat him to his right (where Allen always bails) - did nothing. He was horrible that rep and horrible for a decent portion of that game in pass pro. As for his run blocking, it's always been good. It was his pass blocking that was an issue. And he resolved much of that issue this year - until the playoffs. I know you've been beating the "Josh was fooled" drum since after the game ended, but I disagreed then and I disagree now. Well, actually, let me back up. I *do* think Josh was fooled in the mind-frame that he thought they were coming left. However, what I disagree with is that it mattered. Ryan Fitzpatirck, who has forgotten more about football than either of us will ever know, stated clearly that Allen had no chance on that play - EVEN IF he had slid protection right. Fitz said that there was simply no way to block what the Chiefs sent with the personnel we had on the field. And I agree with him. Expand I don't disagree the Bills were beaten mentally on that play both coaching wise and execution wise. But even Josh says he got the protection call wrong. It is idiotic to try and deny that as a contributory factor. But to the point of this debate.... Spencer was "abysmal" in the playoffs because of that one rep? Is that your argument? That is even more idiotic. Quote
Einstein Posted Saturday at 09:35 PM Posted Saturday at 09:35 PM (edited) On 4/5/2025 at 9:22 PM, GunnerBill said: 1- even Josh says he got the protection call wrong 2- because of that one rep? Is that your argument? That is even more idiotic. Expand I'm thinking that you're not actually reading what I'm writing and simply just skipping to reply. I say this because you're responding with ideas that I have expressed the complete opposite of: 1) I stated that Josh didn't recognize the correct side of the blitz. My exact quote was "Josh was fooled in that he thought they were coming left". If you're reading what im writing, im not sure how you missed that. But I followed it up by saying that it doesn't matter. I talked about how Ryan Fitzpatrick broke the play down and said EVEN IF Allen had made the right recognition before the play, there was nothing he could have done with the personnel he had on the field. So yes, Josh slid the protection the wrong way, but its a moot point because it wouldn't have mattered either way. Unless you think you know more than Ryan Fitzpatrick. Fitz said - slide left, right, up, or down - doesn't matter... "this blitz is impossible to pick up with a 5 man protection" 2) I already stated that it wasn't just one play that Brown performed poorly on. I clearly said this. He was beaten routinely in pass protection throughout that game, and for portions of the Ravens game. That was the most important play, of course, but not the only one where he played poorly. There were multiple times in the playoffs where he was beaten like a drum but Allen got the ball off JUST in time to avoid a sack or fumble. Here is one example of that: I find it hard to believe you watched the ALL-22 for the playoff games if you missed Spencer being beaten in pass-pro over and over. He had a great season and he is a good player, but the playoffs were not his finest pass-pro moments. Edited Saturday at 09:44 PM by Einstein 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted Saturday at 09:58 PM Posted Saturday at 09:58 PM On 4/5/2025 at 9:35 PM, Einstein said: I'm thinking that you're not actually reading what I'm writing and simply just skipping to reply. I say this because you're responding with ideas that I have expressed the complete opposite of: 1) I stated that Josh didn't recognize the correct side of the blitz. My exact quote was "Josh was fooled in that he thought they were coming left". If you're reading what im writing, im not sure how you missed that. But I followed it up by saying that it doesn't matter. I talked about how Ryan Fitzpatrick broke the play down and said EVEN IF Allen had made the right recognition before the play, there was nothing he could have done with the personnel he had on the field. So yes, Josh slid the protection the wrong way, but its a moot point because it wouldn't have mattered either way. Unless you think you know more than Ryan Fitzpatrick. Fitz said - slide left, right, up, or down - doesn't matter... "this blitz is impossible to pick up with a 5 man protection" 2) I already stated that it wasn't just one play that Brown performed poorly on. I clearly said this. He was beaten routinely in pass protection throughout that game, and for portions of the Ravens game. That was the most important play, of course, but not the only one where he played poorly. There were multiple times in the playoffs where he was beaten like a drum but Allen got the ball off JUST in time to avoid a sack or fumble. Here is one example of that: I find it hard to believe you watched the ALL-22 for the playoff games if you missed Spencer being beaten in pass-pro over and over. He had a great season and he is a good player, but the playoffs were not his finest pass-pro moments. Expand I did warch the playoff games back on all 22 and I do think you are wrong. You haven't watched the all22 you have watched a couple of twitter posts and are spitballing. 1 Quote
FireChans Posted Saturday at 10:04 PM Posted Saturday at 10:04 PM On 4/5/2025 at 4:08 PM, warrior9 said: "In the NFL, Khalil Shakir of the Buffalo Bills holds the record for the highest single-season catch rate among wide receivers with at least 40 targets since 1992, with a 93.3% catch rate in 2024" "His 2023 catch percentage of 86.7% is also among the highest." "That said, it’s not as though he’s reeling in passes and falling to the turf, as his average yards after catch per reception of 8.5 yards is good for fourth among wideouts in the same target criteria." "More than what he really is" - I mean if you ask me, that's uhhh, pretty high level / elite stuff. Unsure how this is overrated but go on. If anything, you thinking he's overrated just proves how underrated the guy really is. Expand Khalil Shakir is underrated by his darn catch, yard and TD totals. On 4/5/2025 at 6:00 PM, Kirby Jackson said: Not following the point? Expand Folks see the Josh Allen - Shakir connection, and they squint past the 1000 yards difference between Burrow - Chase, Stafford - Megatron, Anybody - Justin Jefferson. 1 1 Quote
Einstein Posted Saturday at 10:13 PM Posted Saturday at 10:13 PM On 4/5/2025 at 9:58 PM, GunnerBill said: I did warch the playoff games back on all 22 and I do think you are wrong. You haven't watched the all22 you have watched a couple of twitter posts and are spitballing. Expand Uh.... what!?!?! I've watched every single play, from every single Bills game—including the playoffs—at least once on ALL-22, if not multiple times. Furthermore, I have written software that tracks ALL-22 plays and aggregates the data. I can say with almost certainty that I have studied more hours of Bills ALL-22 than anyone on this website (key word: studied, not watched, many people have me beaten in years of watching football). Not only that, i'm pretty sure I am the only poster on this website that aggregates the data for every single player, position, formation, coverage, etc. Someone is spitballing in this conversation but it certainly isnt me. http://34.205.139.226/ 1 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted Saturday at 10:20 PM Posted Saturday at 10:20 PM On 4/5/2025 at 10:13 PM, Einstein said: Uh.... what!?!?! I've watched every single play, from every single Bills game—including the playoffs—at least once on ALL-22, if not multiple times. Furthermore, I have written software that tracks ALL-22 plays and aggregates the data. I can say with almost certainty that I have studied more hours of Bills ALL-22 than anyone on this website (key word: studied, not watched, many people have me beaten in years of watching football). Not only that, i'm pretty sure I am the only poster on this website that aggregates the data for every single player, position, formation, coverage, etc. Someone is spitballing in this conversation but it certainly isnt me. http://34.205.139.226/ Expand In which case I just think you are not watching the right thing. 1 2 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted Saturday at 11:45 PM Posted Saturday at 11:45 PM On 4/5/2025 at 4:08 PM, warrior9 said: "In the NFL, Khalil Shakir of the Buffalo Bills holds the record for the highest single-season catch rate among wide receivers with at least 40 targets since 1992, with a 93.3% catch rate in 2024" Expand he caught 76 of 100 targets...... math is underrated Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted Sunday at 01:14 AM Posted Sunday at 01:14 AM On 4/5/2025 at 10:13 PM, Einstein said: Uh.... what!?!?! I've watched every single play, from every single Bills game—including the playoffs—at least once on ALL-22, if not multiple times. Furthermore, I have written software that tracks ALL-22 plays and aggregates the data. I can say with almost certainty that I have studied more hours of Bills ALL-22 than anyone on this website (key word: studied, not watched, many people have me beaten in years of watching football). Not only that, i'm pretty sure I am the only poster on this website that aggregates the data for every single player, position, formation, coverage, etc. Someone is spitballing in this conversation but it certainly isnt me. http://34.205.139.226/ Expand 1 Quote
BillsFooteball Posted Sunday at 01:20 PM Posted Sunday at 01:20 PM Bills Fans: Overrated: Taron Johnson Underrated: Spencer Brown Media: Overrated: Kincaid Underrated: Benford 1 Quote
NoName Posted Sunday at 01:25 PM Posted Sunday at 01:25 PM Overrated is Kincaid Under rated is OG Edwards Quote
JaCrispy Posted Sunday at 01:42 PM Posted Sunday at 01:42 PM Ed Oliver is the weakest link on our starting D line, and he NEVER makes a probowl- even though guys like Tyrod Tayler have made the probowl… This tells you everything you need to know about Oliver- that his peers don’t even respect his play enough to vote him to the probowl- and he’s not even regarded high enough, by the coaches, to be an alternate… Think about that for a moment…He may as well have been drafted in the 4th/5th round… Yet Bills fans seem to think he is a good player when he is, really, nothing but a JAG. Sure he flashes from time to time- But so did Trent Edwards and Ryan Fitzpatrick…Only difference is Oliver is supposed to be a top ten pick, and a guy the Bills, sadly continue to try to build around- why? Likely to protect Beane’s ego… I would have tried to upgrade from Oliver a looooooooong time ago…And our defensive line will always be held back so long as this guy is the anchor… Can you tell he’s my least favorite Bill? 😉 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted Sunday at 01:59 PM Posted Sunday at 01:59 PM On 4/6/2025 at 1:42 PM, JaCrispy said: Ed Oliver is the weakest link on our starting D line, and he NEVER makes a probowl- even though guys like Tyrod Tayler have made the probowl… This tells you everything you need to know about Oliver- that his peers don’t even respect his play enough to vote him to the probowl- and he’s not even regarded high enough, by the coaches, to be an alternate… Think about that for a moment…He may as well have been drafted in the 4th/5th round… Yet Bills fans seem to think he is a good player when he is, really, nothing but a JAG. Sure he flashes from time to time- But so did Trent Edwards and Ryan Fitzpatrick…Only difference is Oliver is supposed to be a top ten pick, and a guy the Bills, sadly continue to try to build around- why? Likely to protect Beane’s ego… I would have tried to upgrade from Oliver a looooooooong time ago…And our defensive line will always be held back so long as this guy is the anchor… Can you tell he’s my least favorite Bill? 😉 Expand I can tell you are wrong. 1 Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted Sunday at 03:42 PM Posted Sunday at 03:42 PM On 4/6/2025 at 1:42 PM, JaCrispy said: Ed Oliver is the weakest link on our starting D line, and he NEVER makes a probowl- even though guys like Tyrod Tayler have made the probowl… This tells you everything you need to know about Oliver- that his peers don’t even respect his play enough to vote him to the probowl- and he’s not even regarded high enough, by the coaches, to be an alternate… Think about that for a moment…He may as well have been drafted in the 4th/5th round… Yet Bills fans seem to think he is a good player when he is, really, nothing but a JAG. Sure he flashes from time to time- But so did Trent Edwards and Ryan Fitzpatrick…Only difference is Oliver is supposed to be a top ten pick, and a guy the Bills, sadly continue to try to build around- why? Likely to protect Beane’s ego… I would have tried to upgrade from Oliver a looooooooong time ago…And our defensive line will always be held back so long as this guy is the anchor… Can you tell he’s my least favorite Bill? 😉 Expand I find it very weird you keep using QBs to compare Oliver to. Maybe the most bizarre comparisons I have seen 1 Quote
FireChans Posted Sunday at 05:17 PM Posted Sunday at 05:17 PM On 4/6/2025 at 1:42 PM, JaCrispy said: Ed Oliver is the weakest link on our starting D line, and he NEVER makes a probowl- even though guys like Tyrod Tayler have made the probowl… This tells you everything you need to know about Oliver- that his peers don’t even respect his play enough to vote him to the probowl- and he’s not even regarded high enough, by the coaches, to be an alternate… Think about that for a moment…He may as well have been drafted in the 4th/5th round… Yet Bills fans seem to think he is a good player when he is, really, nothing but a JAG. Sure he flashes from time to time- But so did Trent Edwards and Ryan Fitzpatrick…Only difference is Oliver is supposed to be a top ten pick, and a guy the Bills, sadly continue to try to build around- why? Likely to protect Beane’s ego… I would have tried to upgrade from Oliver a looooooooong time ago…And our defensive line will always be held back so long as this guy is the anchor… Can you tell he’s my least favorite Bill? 😉 Expand Eddy O suffers from what Kyle Williams suffered. A smaller penetrating 3t not named Aaron Donald can be too easily neutralized by a good scheme. Baltimore #1 and KC take his lunch money constantly. That’s not to say that our DL struggles are entirely on Ed just like they weren’t entirely on Kyle. But he is simultaneously an absolutely disappointing top 10 pick and a good player. And I do think prioritizing 1t’s to “unlock him” over 3t’s who may just be flat out upgrades is a mistake. At this point in his career, he is who he is. 1 1 1 Quote
Bag of Milk Posted Sunday at 05:24 PM Posted Sunday at 05:24 PM (edited) Overrated: Ed Oliver by a mile. Never have I witnessed a supposed top player needing so much help around him to produce. In my book, top players elevate those around them. On 4/2/2025 at 1:10 AM, Ralonzo said: Expand Edited Sunday at 07:32 PM by Bag of Milk 1 1 Quote
Doc Brown Posted Sunday at 05:28 PM Posted Sunday at 05:28 PM Overrated - posters who say the draft can't get here fast enough. Underrated - posters who are looking at the 2026 draft class already to try and find positions of strengths and weaknesses that could influence 2025's draft day decisions. 1 Quote
JaCrispy Posted Sunday at 05:45 PM Posted Sunday at 05:45 PM On 4/6/2025 at 3:42 PM, BuffaloBillyG said: I find it very weird you keep using QBs to compare Oliver to. Maybe the most bizarre comparisons I have seen Expand The comparison isn’t about the position they play…It’s to show that even the most mediocre of players can have flashes of good games…👍 Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted Sunday at 05:47 PM Posted Sunday at 05:47 PM Oooh fun game! Underrated: Kincaid, the 2024 whipping boy. 117 catches his first 2 years, has shown flashes of tremendous upside. How dare a player need to develop. I demand instant gratification. Overrated: James Cook, how much of his production was from Allen and a great OL? 2 2 1 Quote
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