TSW 1.0 Poll - Who should the Bills select at #56 ? (closes 2pm EDT)

[MrEpsYtown]

 

 

 

[Virgil]

@Ralonzo

 

I thinks it’s safe to remove anyone with less than 5 votes. 

[Ralonzo]

We're pruning down to our Final Four... if you have voted for a player no longer on the poll please re-vote.

[KOKBILLS]

This would be close to a worse case scenario IMHO... I think at this point there are better WR's left than any of the DT's except Norman-Lott who may be the best pass rushing DT in this Draft after Graham and Harmon... I'm not crazy about any of the DE's here value-wise, and I'm not really interested in a Safety here at all...

 

If I was Beane in this Mock I'd take Jaylin Noel at 56... 

[RyanC883]

Ideally I’d take WR Tre Harris here who I think can be a 1, but with these options Watts is BPA. Get Jordan Phillips and Caldwell later at DT.  

[Dr. Who]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Considering how this draft fell, I think drafting Nolan would’ve been the best move.  I’d rather have Nolan or Burden paired with Porter than Amos and the current options.  I’m a huge fan of Amos-  but Porter could be a force in our scheme if he can figure things out.  
 

Swinson or Landon Jackson would be my pick here.  Farmer being the best need pick.  
 

edit: as an admitted RB homer- Judkins would be good value at this part of the draft if we planned on moving on from Cook.

Jackson is already gone. I think this does show that the notion that it's a deep draft at DT, so take a CB early is not as obvious a gambit as many assume. What an uninspiring mix of alternatives.

[BigAl2526]

I voted for Tuimoloau, preferring his physical traits over Swinson.  I am less interested in Farmer for the same reason I'm less interested in Nolen as an option in the first round.  Farmer is a 3 tech.  Buffalo has Oliver as a starter that the Bills like, Dewayne Carter, who may develop as a rotational 3 tech after a rookie season largely lost to injury, and Ogunjobe once his six game suspension has been served and Branson Deen, a PS Squad member.  At one tech, they have Daquan Jones, who looked like he hit the career wall last season, and Zion Logue a low rated free agent pickup and PS member from last year.  Watts is my second choice.  

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

Jackson is already gone. I think this does show that the notion that it's a deep draft at DT, so take a CB early is not as obvious a gambit as many assume. What an uninspiring mix of alternatives.

Nolen, Sanders, Williams, Alexander, Collins were the defensive tackles who went after “we” drafted Amos. So I suppose the question is would we rather have one of those guys at 30 and Porter here? Because unfortunately both the corner and DT positions have kind of dried up in this mock draft and it feels pretty realistic in my opinion. 
 

The hope is 3 QBs go, some WRs get over drafted, and there is a run on RBs and Tight ends. That seems to be the only path to high end talent dropping. 

[Virgil]

20 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Nolen, Sanders, Williams, Alexander, Collins were the defensive tackles who went after “we” drafted Amos. So I suppose the question is would we rather have one of those guys at 30 and Porter here? Because unfortunately both the corner and DT positions have kind of dried up in this mock draft and it feels pretty realistic in my opinion. 
 

The hope is 3 QBs go, some WRs get over drafted, and there is a run on RBs and Tight ends. That seems to be the only path to high end talent dropping. 

I think we trade up and get one of both.  

[Richard Noggin]

Gotta admit this draft is not scratching the roster itches I'm perceiving. 

 

I really don't like the #56 choices at all, given the lack of DL on day one. Farmer seems worse than a Caldwell or West at 1T, from what I've read. To not get Tyleik Williams, Kenneth Grant, Walter Nolen, or Alfred Collins with either of the first two picks seems like a big miss. (Can't control everything, obviously.)

 

It's possible S Watts and DE Tuimoloau are valued by the Bills. I just don't love NOT getting a DT in the first 2 picks of a draft with such value there. The picks available instead are not so appealing as to justify waiting this long for tertiary value at the biggest position of need (athletic 1T) outside CB. Gotta fortify the DL. 

 

Honestly Swinson is appealing, but we'd likely be waiting until 2026 for much return on that investment (congested rotation). Feels like a lack of IMPACT from first day two pick, when Bills need to maximize impact.

 

The draft should be more focused on lifetime value of the picks, in retrospect, rather than how well they fill immediate needs, so maybe I'm being short-sighted? 

[Dr. Who]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Nolen, Sanders, Williams, Alexander, Collins were the defensive tackles who went after “we” drafted Amos. So I suppose the question is would we rather have one of those guys at 30 and Porter here? Because unfortunately both the corner and DT positions have kind of dried up in this mock draft and it feels pretty realistic in my opinion. 
 

The hope is 3 QBs go, some WRs get over drafted, and there is a run on RBs and Tight ends. That seems to be the only path to high end talent dropping. 

Given those alternatives, I'd rather have one of the aforementioned DTs and Porter, but as the poet, Virgil, once said, you could always trade up a bit from 56 and end up with Amos and Collins, for example. 

[MrEpsYtown]

52 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

Gotta admit this draft is not scratching the roster itches I'm perceiving. 

 

I really don't like the #56 choices at all, given the lack of DL on day one. Farmer seems worse than a Caldwell or West at 1T, from what I've read. To not get Tyleik Williams, Kenneth Grant, Walter Nolen, or Alfred Collins with either of the first two picks seems like a big miss. (Can't control everything, obviously.)

 

It's possible S Watts and DE Tuimoloau are valued by the Bills. I just don't love NOT getting a DT in the first 2 picks of a draft with such value there. The picks available instead are not so appealing as to justify waiting this long for tertiary value at the biggest position of need (athletic 1T) outside CB. Gotta fortify the DL. 

 

Honestly Swinson is appealing, but we'd likely be waiting until 2026 for much return on that investment (congested rotation). Feels like a lack of IMPACT from first day two pick, when Bills need to maximize impact.

 

The draft should be more focused on lifetime value of the picks, in retrospect, rather than how well they fill immediate needs, so maybe I'm being short-sighted? 

 

I don’t think they think too much long term here. They fill immediate needs. They paid a corner so now they need a cheap corner to play opposite him. That has to come high in the draft. Beane talks about value, but it’s BS GM speak. He drafts for need. 

In terms of how this mock is going and how the board thinks, I think there are a couple of different philosophies on the board with these mocks. Some people pick who they think the Bills would pick. Some people pick who they like and would pick. And some look at the consensus lists and take BPA. 
 

Honestly with this being a weak draft, unless you can get into the top 10-15, you really are just drafting for need from the start. It sucks, but that’s what this is shaping up to be. There is a lot of lack of impact here and anyone hoping for some huge move is probably lying to themselves. They will draft a corner and a DT high. Probably get an edge somewhere and draft and RB somewhere. It’s the MO of this front office. 

[Kirby Jackson]

50 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I don’t think they think too much long term here. They fill immediate needs. They paid a corner so now they need a cheap corner to play opposite him. That has to come high in the draft. Beane talks about value, but it’s BS GM speak. He drafts for need. 

In terms of how this mock is going and how the board thinks, I think there are a couple of different philosophies on the board with these mocks. Some people pick who they think the Bills would pick. Some people pick who they like and would pick. And some look at the consensus lists and take BPA. 
 

Honestly with this being a weak draft, unless you can get into the top 10-15, you really are just drafting for need from the start. It sucks, but that’s what this is shaping up to be. There is a lot of lack of impact here and anyone hoping for some huge move is probably lying to themselves. They will draft a corner and a DT high. Probably get an edge somewhere and draft and RB somewhere. It’s the MO of this front office. 

This is why I think that these threads are the best on the board all year. For months we have been talking about a CB & DT early along with edge and WR. Here we are doing it and started with the CB. Just before the Bills picked, the next 2 “targets” went off the board. Maybe you’re onto something in that people draft who they are familiar with because they are Bills targets but it’s also realistic. There haven’t been a lot of “reaches” at this point. There rarely are. Generally the board does a pretty good job with these. Now if the draft fell this way, I can’t imagine the Bills would be thrilled. In hindsight it should have been Nolen and Porter. With that being said, if the Bills went DT in the first, I suspect TBD, unintentionally, may have had a run on CBs instead of DTs. Either way, it’s super interesting and is a great reminder to go BPA at any position with some need before drafting to fill a spot and then BPA later. 

[Chandler#81]

No one. I predict that pick will be traded to move up in the 1st round.

[Doc Brown]

I love how every year we do this we hate the Bills picks despite this being a Bills message board.  LOL.

[No_Matter_What]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is why I think that these threads are the best on the board all year. For months we have been talking about a CB & DT early along with edge and WR. Here we are doing it and started with the CB. Just before the Bills picked, the next 2 “targets” went off the board. Maybe you’re onto something in that people draft who they are familiar with because they are Bills targets but it’s also realistic. There haven’t been a lot of “reaches” at this point. There rarely are. Generally the board does a pretty good job with these. Now if the draft fell this way, I can’t imagine the Bills would be thrilled. In hindsight it should have been Nolen and Porter. With that being said, if the Bills went DT in the first, I suspect TBD, unintentionally, may have had a run on CBs instead of DTs. Either way, it’s super interesting and is a great reminder to go BPA at any position with some need before drafting to fill a spot and then BPA later. 

I partly agree but Nolen over Amos isn't hindsight. I said it when we chose him. Amos over Nolen is just bad drafting based on the need. I can't phantom how majority of the board criticize Beane for drafting for need and then does the same.

 

We reached for CB in the first only to reach for DT in the second. Amazing job TSW lol.

 

And yeah I know that in reality there are trades available but the point stands.

[OldTimer1960]

That is not an inspiring list.  Of the list, I think Watts is the best player.  I like Tuimoloau better than some do.  Still, if this is what will be left to pick from, ugh.  Given this list as the only options, I think they would take Farmer.

 

I don’t really want to vote.

[Virgil]

@Ralonzo

 

I think you can adjust the poll closing time to 2p.  That way, we might get to the Bills 3rd pick tonight.  

[MrEpsYtown]

3 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

I partly agree but Nolen over Amos isn't hindsight. I said it when we chose him. Amos over Nolen is just bad drafting based on the need. I can't phantom how majority of the board criticize Beane for drafting for need and then does the same.

 

We reached for CB in the first only to reach for DT in the second. Amazing job TSW lol.

 

And yeah I know that in reality there are trades available but the point stands.

I feel like most try to predict what Beane will do. And this is what he would do. I voted for Amos, obviously not knowing if Porter would be here. I suppose my question is, if we took Nolen and Porter was gone here, then what do we do? Is Dane Jackson is your starting corner. Draft time is fun and it’s a crapshoot! It’s a fun exercise to go through! 
 

But I think the biggest thing is what the boards mindset is…are we predicting what we think will happen and what Beane will do? Are we taking BPA? Or we just taking the guy we like? I think all three of those mindsets would result in a very different experience.

[nosejob]

5 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Given those alternatives, I'd rather have one of the aforementioned DTs and Porter, but as the poet, Virgil, once said, you could always trade up a bit from 56 and end up with Amos and Collins, for example. 

I 've been hoping to go DT  Edge then Porter. But....to be on the safe side, I'd take DT then Porter at 56 then Burch or Ivey at 62. I think both are gonna be great and can slide inside to change things up.