26TrapDraw Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: I also like Harmon over Grant. Look Grant is a good prospect and a great level of potential. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be in consideration for the Bills pick at 30…..but despite all these great attributes he is very inconsistent. When he’s dominant he’s dominant but there are a lot of times on tape where you come away underwhelmed. I’m not at my computer but I have Grant I believe as my 40 or 41 prospect We've already had too many players that " disappear" for long stretches. This defense needs a consistent tackle to stuff the run and space eat. I like Harmon's consistency over grants potential here. Quote
OldTimer1960 Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, nosejob said: I like Harmon better simply from his 5 sacks last year. To me college production is no.1. Would I trade up for him, no. He is like a Poona Ford jr. 6'1 ? I would rather roll with Nolan and hopefully get Collins or a bigger guy after. Harmon is taller than 6’1”. I believe he was 6’4 1/2 at the Combine. Quote
MiracleAtRich1393 Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6253459/2025/04/04/bills-2025-nfl-draft-defensive-tackles/ Why Grant falls below Harmon all has to do with current third-down capabilities. At this point, Grant is more of a clean-up pass-rusher than one who disrupts the pocket, and early on in his career, he may be nothing more than an early-down asset who has to come off the field for obvious pass-rushing situations, though there is more of a nimbleness to his movement abilities than other massive one-technique run-stuffers. He’ll never dip and rip through blockers, but through his power and movement skills, there is a path to seeing him develop as an asset on third downs. It will take some projecting by the team that drafts him. He suggests if Harmon is available in the 20's to trade up and go get him. If Harmon is available in the mid-20s or at No. 30 for the Bills, it could be a slam-dunk investment for them. He mentions an interesting day 3 1 tech DT that I find pretty interesting, Jamaree Caldwell Jamaree Caldwell, Oregon — Caldwell is a gap-plugging, space-eating, one-technique-only prospect at 332 pounds with a quick first step. There is some thought he would be best suited to the 0-technique role in a 3-4 defense, but he’s a clear strength as a run defender. Love Caldwell int he 4th if we don't get top 1T targets earlier. I'd even be fine with a double down like Elam/Benford if he's still sticking out on the board somehow with our late 5ths/early 6ths and we went with a 1T in the 1st/2nd. Stack the beef! Quote
RyanC883 Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 2 hours ago, MikePJ76 said: Greg Cosell has the opposite opinion fwiw. He even suggest Harmon is a developmental prospect who might not offer much in year 1. He seems to love Grant although also calls him a player to be developed...which i guess is true of every young player, but cosell thinks grant has light, quick feet and is more than a run player. Cosell thinks Nolen is the best of all the DT prospects in the class. Thanks. It was a mistake taking Amos over Nolen, IMO. 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 2 hours ago, Logic said: I have a feeling the NFL will like Harmon over Grant, too, and I expect him to be drafted earlier. Harmon seems to have a skillset that's more valuable in the modern game than Grant, who indeed seems like he may only be a two-down run stuffer. Harmon also more closely aligns with the weight, body type, and skillset that we've seen McDermott's defense employ over the years. Yeah, that’s kind of where I’m at. Most like Harmon over Grant. They are both good players but Harmon is further along. It’s not really a controversial decision. Now, if he said that he liked Kaleb Johnson over Jeanty, or something like that, it would be controversial. Quote
KOKBILLS Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago I like them both... But I think Grant has the better upside and is clearly better at getting the ball carrier to the ground when he gets in range. I also think Grant will be better vs. the run, and can be (maybe) just as good as Harmon on passing downs with some refinement. That being said there is always some boom-or-bust factor to upside, and Harmon does feel like the safer prospect right now. 1 Quote
CNYfan Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago I give Joe Buscaglia the same weight I give Gunner and Gonzo, maybe less, and definitely less than the Cover 1 guy. 1 Quote
ROCBillsBeliever Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 2 hours ago, DJB said: I’ve had Harmon over Grant as well for months. I think Grant is a good player , but he’s definitely more 1T with limited pass rushing upside . Harmon is a menace. He’s everywhere and creates havoc consistently. He does need to wrap up and tackle a little better to finish but man he’s disruptive. I was studying offensive players and Harmon was popping on screen playing against him lol I’ll be thrilled with one of Harmon, Grant or Nolen round 1 . My problem is that I watch Harmon'e tape, and all I see is Jordan Phillips (NOT the new guy in the draft; OUR Jordan), which is okay I guess, but I'm worried about the rush yards his chaos might open up. 21 minutes ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said: Stack the beef! Quote
nosejob Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said: Harmon is taller than 6’1”. I believe he was 6’4 1/2 at the Combine. 1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said: Harmon is taller than 6’1”. I believe he was 6’4 1/2 at the Combine. I stand corrected, maybe I saw that about Caldwell. I'll see myself out. Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 3 hours ago, MikePJ76 said: Greg Cosell has the opposite opinion fwiw. He even suggest Harmon is a developmental prospect who might not offer much in year 1. He seems to love Grant although also calls him a player to be developed...which i guess is true of every young player, but cosell thinks grant has light, quick feet and is more than a run player. Cosell thinks Nolen is the best of all the DT prospects in the class. Agreed, I want Nolen. 1 Quote
nosejob Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Agreed, I want Nolen. I wouldn't bet against Greg Cosell. 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago Honestly either one is a need and upgrade. We are better off with either DT. Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Any 1 of: Grant, Harmon, Nolen, D.Alexander, Williams, Collins, Caldwell (Getting 2 of this group would completely transform the defense and IMO should be the mission of this draft) & Any 1 of: Norman-Lott, CJ West, Farmer, Broughton, Walker, Phillips, Sanders, Smith, Biggers, Jackson 2 Quote
EmotionallyUnstable Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago FWIW- NFL.com’s Lance Zierlein lists Derrick Harmon player comp as none other than current Bill DaQuan Jones. 1 Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: (Getting 2 of this group would completely transform the defense and IMO should be the mission of this draft) Said it once, i'll say it a million times - you're not "completely transforming the Defense" by rolling back the same secondary and LB's and going crazy on DL. It'll improve run Defense, for sure. But QB's had no problem negating the pass rush all season by getting the ball out quickly with ease against our pass coverage, by way of subpar to average talent in the Secondary (outside of Benford) and the Zone scheme being picked apart with people constantly out of position. All season long against quality opponents, it seemed like the opposing QB took the snap, dropped back, one mississippi two mississippi - ball out. Meanwhile, Josh had to run all over the field and hope someone got open. Even the most talented line isn't going to blow up the opposing teams OL every snap and get back there that quickly. We definitely need to improve the Line, no doubt about it. But we also have to improve the Secondary. Just focusing on DL will have teams continuing to quick pass on us and just focusing on Secondary will have teams running all over us. We need to do both. Quote
BillsFan2313 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 8 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: At the end of the day it doesn’t matter because we are taking a CB I wonder if Elam busting and Benford beasting gives them pause at drafting another 1st rd cb Quote
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