Joe Buscaglia likes Harmon over Grant

[YoloinOhio]

On 4/4/2025 at 12:24 PM, MikePJ76 said:

seems like they have to.  I have felt the biggest area of need this offseason was the secondary.  They went status quo at safety and are currently short a corner.  So the CB position needs seem to come above all else.

Nah they could go DT round 1 and take a Corner in the 2nd 

[MikePJ76]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Nah they could go DT round 1 and take a Corner in the 2nd 

Of course but it’s a long way from 30 to 56 when you have no starting corner opposite benford.

 

 

[MikePJ76]

On 4/4/2025 at 1:46 PM, CNYfan said:

I give Joe Buscaglia the same weight I give Gunner and Gonzo, maybe less, and definitely less than the Cover 1 guy.  

That’s fine I posted because it seems to be one of the core questions the team is going to run into on day 1.

 

also, the reality is nobody’s evaluations mean anything or are worth anything.  It’s become its own business and all the scouting and mocks exist to fill the void in content.  
 

unless you work for an nfl team and a person above you in the food chain is relying on you for an evaluation and/or comparison for a group of players you are just entertaining yourself.  Literally nobody cares nor does it matter.

 

dane brugler spends all his time watching college tape and puts out the biggest draft book there is.  A few years ago while working in Dallas he told a story about getting an interview to be a scout with the pats, belichick didn’t care at all about his evaluations and told him to watch tape of a few players and give an evaluation the way they wanted.  Long story short, he didn’t get the job.  Brugler had Bryan broaddus in his corner a former GM, scout and director of player personnel and he still couldn’t get an nfl job.

 

I say this not to demean anyone or belittle it but it’s no different than me playing the guitar.  The e street band won’t be calling me anytime soon if you know what I mean.  I do it because I enjoy it, same as the draft analysts.

[BringBackFergy]

Soooo….take Grant. 
 

[3rdand12]

On 4/4/2025 at 11:54 AM, MikePJ76 said:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6253459/2025/04/04/bills-2025-nfl-draft-defensive-tackles/

 

Why Grant falls below Harmon all has to do with current third-down capabilities. At this point, Grant is more of a clean-up pass-rusher than one who disrupts the pocket, and early on in his career, he may be nothing more than an early-down asset who has to come off the field for obvious pass-rushing situations, though there is more of a nimbleness to his movement abilities than other massive one-technique run-stuffers. He’ll never dip and rip through blockers, but through his power and movement skills, there is a path to seeing him develop as an asset on third downs. It will take some projecting by the team that drafts him.

 

He suggests if Harmon is available in the 20's to trade up and go get him.

 

If Harmon is available in the mid-20s or at No. 30 for the Bills, it could be a slam-dunk investment for them. 

 

He mentions an interesting day 3 1 tech DT that I find pretty interesting, Jamaree Caldwell

 

Jamaree Caldwell, Oregon — Caldwell is a gap-plugging, space-eating, one-technique-only prospect at 332 pounds with a quick first step. There is some thought he would be best suited to the 0-technique role in a 3-4 defense, but he’s a clear strength as a run defender.

 

 

But all I want is this actually at this point. Play the run , and play it exceptionally well

 then we can see better what Oliver really can do

 

 I want him too. Bolded ^

 thanks Mike

 

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:

Of course but it’s a long way from 30 to 56 when you have no starting corner opposite benford.

 

 

Which is why there may need to be some wheelin n dealin. With either scenario. DT and CB gonna sell like hotcakes.

[3rdand12]

On 4/4/2025 at 2:15 PM, 26TrapDraw said:

We've already had too many players that " disappear" for long stretches. This defense needs a consistent tackle to stuff the run and space eat. I like Harmon's consistency over grants potential here.

You might misunderstand his role ? These Fat Kids who excel at Nose and 1 tech kinda less so  Just need to hold up two blockers and not give up the line of scrimmage. those that ask the Kids to be pass rushers as well

Thats a one in a thousand

Lets destroy any thoughts of any thing happening in the run game between the Tackles ever again. That's where our light fast smart  LBs will shine.

Might even suggest the whole backing 7 will find more opportunities 

 Harmon would be amazing anywhere it seems.

But I am not advocating trading up for pure talent this year 26
 

Okay maybe a pass rusher

[BillsFanForever19]

4 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I'm not against addressing the secondary early if if matches BPA, or close enough. I don't agree with your implicit premise that improving the DL means stopping the run exclusively. I think it makes sense to add a 1T that can reliably plug the middle, yes, but I'd also like to get someone who can provide pass rush up the middle and collapse the pocket. That effectively helps the secondary as well.

 

If you want to counter that getting the ball out quickly negates the pass rush tout court, that would eliminate efforts to get an EDGE, too, which evidently is taking an observation beyond reasonable team building. 

 

Here is a further question: if quality opponents can operate that way, why is Josh running all over the field hoping someone gets open? You know, of course, its the WR separation problem. So maybe that would suggest other roster additions that ought to be prioritized, but let's just stick with DL. 

 

Yes, there was a massive issue with getting open and creating separation last season. And ultimately, with the season on the line, our pass catchers let us down. And it wasn't just Dalton Kincaid infamously not coming down with that catch on 4th Down. We were kept in the game by Mack Hollins and James Cook playing with their hair on fire. Everyone else provided little to nothing. Mack isn't here anymore. And we're not only hoping guys like Keon Coleman and Dalton Kincaid (who were publicly criticized by the brass) and Curtis Samuel provide more than they did last year - we're relying on it. We're also relying on Joshua Palmer to definitively be more than he's been his whole career. And from a numbers standpoint, we're down a guy. We've lost Mack Hollins and Amari Cooper and gained Joshua Palmer. WR was something I feel should have been upgraded. Instead, it feels we're banking on guys being more than they've been and/or essentially rolling it back.

 

1T is a definitive need. We have no one to rotate with Daquan Jones and Jones shouldn't be starting anymore. I actually wanted him outright replaced. It's as important of a need as any on this team. But CB is equal to that and WR is also a heavy need. If it were up to me and if the board fell right, we'd be taking a 1T, a CB, and a WR with our first 3 picks - in whatever order the value was at the point of selection. 

 

Yet, even after 3/4 of our "definitively will be on the roster" street Free Agent signings (Bosa, Hoecht, and Ogunjobi) were Defensive Lineman - i'm constantly seeing posts like the one I initially replied to saying 2/3 or all 3 of our top picks should be going to DL. It's baffling to me. As I said in another post, it feels like people watched the Super Bowl and only saw the DL. Without recognizing they were able to do what they did because the secondary was able to eliminate the short passing game with superior talent and a physical man scheme and also because the high powered offense was able to score at will - putting the game out of reach early and forcing KC to go one dimensional to keep up. Right now, we have none of those other things and to focus entirely on DL would keep it that way.

 

Many posters wants and Mock Drafts appear as if DL is our only need. And that's far from the case, in my opinion.

Edited April 5 by BillsFanForever19

[Dr. Who]

43 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Yes, there was a massive issue with getting open and creating separation last season. And ultimately, with the season on the line, our pass catchers let us down. And it wasn't just Dalton Kincaid infamously not coming down with that catch on 4th Down. We were kept in the game by Mack Hollins and James Cook playing with their hair on fire. Everyone else provided little to nothing. Mack isn't here anymore. And we're not only hoping guys like Keon Coleman and Dalton Kincaid (who were publicly criticized by the brass) and Curtis Samuel provide more than they did last year - we're relying on it. We're also relying on Joshua Palmer to definitively be more than he's been his whole career. And from a numbers standpoint, we're down a guy. We've lost Mack Hollins and Amari Cooper and gained Joshua Palmer. WR was something I feel should have been upgraded. Instead, it feels we're banking on guys being more than they've been and/or essentially rolling it back.

 

1T is a definitive need. We have no one to rotate with Daquan Jones and Jones shouldn't be starting anymore. I actually wanted him outright replaced. It's as important of a need as any on this team. But CB is equal to that and WR is also a heavy need. If it were up to me and if the board fell right, we'd be taking a 1T, a CB, and a WR with our first 3 picks - in whatever order the value was at the point of selection. 

 

Yet, even after 3/4 of our "definitively will be on the roster" street Free Agent signings (Bosa, Hoecht, and Ogunjobi) were Defensive Lineman - i'm constantly seeing posts like the one I initially replied to saying 2/3 or all 3 of our top picks should be going to DL. It's baffling to me. As I said in another post, it feels like people watched the Super Bowl and only saw the DL. Without recognizing they were able to do what they did because the secondary was able to eliminate the short passing game with superior talent and a physical man scheme and also because the high powered offense was able to score at will - putting the game out of reach early and forcing KC to go one dimensional to keep up. Right now, we have none of those other things and to focus entirely on DL would keep it that way.

 

Many posters wants and Mock Drafts appear as if DL is our only need. And that's far from the case, in my opinion.

Well, I agree with the needs. How many of them can one plausibly expect Beane to even acknowledge? The WR question is just as divisive as the apportionment of resources. Are we forced to go CB in the first? I don't think so. There is a hierarchy of positional value that one should consider, but even there, I would personally not be dogmatic. If Malachi Starks was impossibly available, I take him no questions, for instance. 

 

If there were a genuine separator with plus skills at WR that would make sense in the first, I would go get him. Maybe Golden is that fella, I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure that thought will not cross Beane's mind (and it would likely be prohibitively expensive to make that move). If there is a 1T that could stop the run and provide pass rush potential, I would prefer that over CB. I'd risk having to take the next level CB, or having to trade up to grab someone I was comfortable could be a starter at CB2, to get a DL of that caliber. Maybe that player just isn't there. Folks determine you're looking a at a two-down run stuffer, they want to wait and get someone later.

 

In my view, I could see an upgrade at OG, taking a RB in a good draft for the position, a boundary WR with speed, TE, and maybe developmental QB on offense. WR is the urgent position on that side, though many refuse that assessment. Defense needs are CB2, 1T, Edge, and S is still a question mark. I think those who want to go heavy on DL would like to do so as part of a scheme change, and they're tacitly hoping McDermott realizes there needs to be a creative paradigm shift on his side of the ball that might include more ballast in the trenches. 

 

In sum, there's probably too much to accomplish in one draft, but one can't help sensing that it's important to get to the SB in these years of Josh Allen's optimal window. If there is an elite talent that falls within range of a trade, Beane should be aggressive. What would frustrate is the usual approach that covets high-floor safe picks where the ceiling is decent player that disappears when it matters most.

[Solomon Grundy]

On 4/4/2025 at 2:11 PM, OldTimer1960 said:

I do like what I’ve seen of Caldwell.  

Maybe Harmon production was a byproduct of Caldwell's play?

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Well, I agree with the needs. How many of them can one plausibly expect Beane to even acknowledge? The WR question is just as divisive as the apportionment of resources. Are we forced to go CB in the first? I don't think so. There is a hierarchy of positional value that one should consider, but even there, I would personally not be dogmatic. If Malachi Starks was impossibly available, I take him no questions, for instance. 

 

If there were a genuine separator with plus skills at WR that would make sense in the first, I would go get him. Maybe Golden is that fella, I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure that thought will not cross Beane's mind (and it would likely be prohibitively expensive to make that move). If there is a 1T that could stop the run and provide pass rush potential, I would prefer that over CB. I'd risk having to take the next level CB, or having to trade up to grab someone I was comfortable could be a starter at CB2, to get a DL of that caliber. Maybe that player just isn't there. Folks determine you're looking a at a two-down run stuffer, they want to wait and get someone later.

 

In my view, I could see an upgrade at OG, taking a RB in a good draft for the position, a boundary WR with speed, TE, and maybe developmental QB on offense. WR is the urgent position on that side, though many refuse that assessment. Defense needs are CB2, 1T, Edge, and S is still a question mark. I think those who want to go heavy on DL would like to do so as part of a scheme change, and they're tacitly hoping McDermott realizes there needs to be a creative paradigm shift on his side of the ball that might include more ballast in the trenches. 

 

In sum, there's probably too much to accomplish in one draft, but one can't help sensing that it's important to get to the SB in these years of Josh Allen's optimal window. If there is an elite talent that falls within range of a trade, Beane should be aggressive. What would frustrate is the usual approach that covets high-floor safe picks where the ceiling is decent player that disappears when it matters most.

 

The one silver lining about having so many things that need to be addressed is that it makes it unlikely that we'll be in a position where value doesn't meet need. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying you pigeon hole those 3 positions and reach for guys to fill need. But I think there will be players that fill those needs when we're on the clock. If not, you trade up or trade down to spots where those needs fit value. And luckily, we have a lot of capital to be able to move around the board.

Edited April 6 by BillsFanForever19

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

Of course but it’s a long way from 30 to 56 when you have no starting corner opposite benford.

 

 

We said the same thing about playing opposite Tre when we drafted Elam.   Draft the best player at “a position of need”.  Not “the biggest need”  

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

Well, I agree with the needs. How many of them can one plausibly expect Beane to even acknowledge? The WR question is just as divisive as the apportionment of resources. Are we forced to go CB in the first? I don't think so. There is a hierarchy of positional value that one should consider, but even there, I would personally not be dogmatic. If Malachi Starks was impossibly available, I take him no questions, for instance. 

 

If there were a genuine separator with plus skills at WR that would make sense in the first, I would go get him. Maybe Golden is that fella, I'm not sure. I'm pretty sure that thought will not cross Beane's mind (and it would likely be prohibitively expensive to make that move). If there is a 1T that could stop the run and provide pass rush potential, I would prefer that over CB. I'd risk having to take the next level CB, or having to trade up to grab someone I was comfortable could be a starter at CB2, to get a DL of that caliber. Maybe that player just isn't there. Folks determine you're looking a at a two-down run stuffer, they want to wait and get someone later.

 

In my view, I could see an upgrade at OG, taking a RB in a good draft for the position, a boundary WR with speed, TE, and maybe developmental QB on offense. WR is the urgent position on that side, though many refuse that assessment. Defense needs are CB2, 1T, Edge, and S is still a question mark. I think those who want to go heavy on DL would like to do so as part of a scheme change, and they're tacitly hoping McDermott realizes there needs to be a creative paradigm shift on his side of the ball that might include more ballast in the trenches. 

 

In sum, there's probably too much to accomplish in one draft, but one can't help sensing that it's important to get to the SB in these years of Josh Allen's optimal window. If there is an elite talent that falls within range of a trade, Beane should be aggressive. What would frustrate is the usual approach that covets high-floor safe picks where the ceiling is decent player that disappears when it matters most.

Amen

11 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Maybe Harmon production was a byproduct of Caldwell's play?

Judkins in rd 2?  Or Hampton in rd 1? 😉 

 

let me guess…. Neither!  Trade the house for Jeanty!!

Edited April 6 by NewEra

[YoloinOhio]

4 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

Of course but it’s a long way from 30 to 56 when you have no starting corner opposite benford.

 

 

Scout well. 

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Scout well. 

We typically do especially at the secondary 

[L Ron Burgundy]

Good, hopefully one of them makes it to us so we don't have to trade up.  I hope we go DT instead of CB.  We seem to do just fine taking corners later anyway.  Don't get me wrong, if there's a stud CB go for it.  But if not I see DT as a slightly bigger need.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

We typically do especially at the secondary 

Taron -4th

Benford -6th

 

im not worried 

 

worst comes to worst we sign Douglas and hes CB2 with Taron in slot and  Ingram and a rookie rounding out the depth. 
 

score a lot of points and get Pressure up front, secondary will be ok

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Taron -4th

Benford -6th

 

im not worried 

 

worst comes to worst we sign Douglas and hes CB2 with Taron in slot and  Ingram and a rookie rounding out the depth. 
 

score a lot of points and get Pressure up front, secondary will be ok

We took Dane Jackson and like the 7th round and he's had multiple contracts from multiple NFL teams 

 

McDermott develops guys at a very high rate if you don't develop it's probably something on you

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

We took Dane Jackson and like the 7th round and he's had multiple contracts from multiple NFL teams 

 

McDermott develops guys at a very high rate if you don't develop it's probably something on you

Also we don’t need a CB1 we need a CB2, if there is a guy they love in the 1st great but not sure it equates to desperately drafting a corner in the 1st 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Maybe Harmon production was a byproduct of Caldwell's play?

 

It didn't hurt, certainly. But Harmon had the best pass rush win rate of any interior defensive lineman in college football. That is largely just because he is very talented.

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

We took Dane Jackson and like the 7th round and he's had multiple contracts from multiple NFL teams 

 

McDermott develops guys at a very high rate if you don't develop it's probably something on you

 

Dane Jackson was a decent return for a 7th Round Pick - comparable to what you traditionally get from a 7th Rounder. Which is generally a player who doesn't even make your 53. 

 

He's not a quality starting CB. We weren't doing ourselves any favors starting him. We never paid him more than 2.1m a year. When the Panthers wanted to give him a 2 yr. contract with 5.1m in guarantees, we let them have him. And they cut him after one year.

 

He's back on a 1 year deal because he knows the system and is a decent depth replacement for Elam. And because he's coming closer to his value. Which is 1.33m for a year.

 

This idea that "hey, he got quality starters out of Jackson and Wallace for a 7th and an Undrafted shot in the dark" is overblown. Yes, he got good return on investment. But let's not act like having either of them starting for us was a great scenario. Both were liabilities that were average at best and bad at worst. And as soon as anyone wanted to pay more than a couple mil a year for them, we let them walk. As we should have.

 

You want to do better than Dane Jackson.

Edited April 6 by BillsFanForever19