Joe Buscaglia likes Harmon over Grant

[MikePJ76]

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6253459/2025/04/04/bills-2025-nfl-draft-defensive-tackles/

 

Why Grant falls below Harmon all has to do with current third-down capabilities. At this point, Grant is more of a clean-up pass-rusher than one who disrupts the pocket, and early on in his career, he may be nothing more than an early-down asset who has to come off the field for obvious pass-rushing situations, though there is more of a nimbleness to his movement abilities than other massive one-technique run-stuffers. He’ll never dip and rip through blockers, but through his power and movement skills, there is a path to seeing him develop as an asset on third downs. It will take some projecting by the team that drafts him.

 

He suggests if Harmon is available in the 20's to trade up and go get him.

 

If Harmon is available in the mid-20s or at No. 30 for the Bills, it could be a slam-dunk investment for them. 

 

He mentions an interesting day 3 1 tech DT that I find pretty interesting, Jamaree Caldwell

 

Jamaree Caldwell, Oregon — Caldwell is a gap-plugging, space-eating, one-technique-only prospect at 332 pounds with a quick first step. There is some thought he would be best suited to the 0-technique role in a 3-4 defense, but he’s a clear strength as a run defender.

 

 

[gonzo1105]

I also like Harmon over Grant. Look Grant is a good prospect and a great level of potential. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be in consideration for the Bills pick at 30…..but despite all these great attributes he is very inconsistent. When he’s dominant he’s dominant but there are a lot of times on tape where you come away underwhelmed. I’m not at my computer but I have Grant I believe as my 40 or 41 prospect 

[billieve420]

I am not interested in trading up for either just because I don't like the value for taking DT early. If they end up being available at #30 then fine. However, I would let the draft fall to you and if the value is not there look at CB instead.

[Logic]

I have a feeling the NFL will like Harmon over Grant, too, and I expect him to be drafted earlier.

Harmon seems to have a skillset that's more valuable in the modern game than Grant, who indeed seems like he may only be a two-down run stuffer.

Harmon also more closely aligns with the weight, body type, and skillset that we've seen McDermott's defense employ over the years.

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, billieve420 said:

I am not interested in trading up for either just because I don't like the value for taking DT early. If they end up being available at #30 then fine. However, I would let the draft fall to you and if the value is not there look at CB instead.

Amen to that.

 

if they trade up for a Defensive tackle in the first round that is just bad business.  

 

Although having said that, it seems the demand from teams will be there and the supply will run out shortly, Dane Brugler said this in a chat recently:

 

Don’t be surprised when a third of the top-100 picks come on the defensive line.

 

So from that perspective I guess if it is the only way then its the only way but I am in the camp that a group of similar players will be available when they pick and would move back a little if the opportunity presents itself.

[BigAl2526]

I think Harmon gives you more pass rush than Grant, and also more versatility.  He can play both 1 tech and 3 tech though he played a lot more 3 tech for the Ducks.  If the Bills picked Harmon at #30, I'd be OK with it.  I'd also be happy if Buffalo added a pure 1 tech later in the draft.  I definitely would not like a trade up to draft Harmon.

[MikePJ76]

Greg Cosell has the opposite opinion fwiw.  He even suggest Harmon is a developmental prospect who might not offer much in year 1.  He seems to love Grant although also calls him a player to be developed...which i guess is true of every young player, but cosell thinks grant has light, quick feet and is more than a run player.

 

Cosell thinks Nolen is the best of all the DT prospects in the class.

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by MikePJ76

[HappyDays]

I've come around to really liking Harmon. Despite being projected as more of a 1T he has some pass rushing upside and in that regard I like him better than Grant. As far as trading up for him it would depend on how far. If you really like him you probably want to jump Detroit to be safe. Our later 4th should be enough to swap with Baltimore.

[RyanC883]

Harmon scares me as a bit of a one-year wonder.  I like Grant more as a 1T who can also pass rush.  

[Low Positive]

Who the heck knows. We're just going to have to come to grips with the fact that this is a pretty weak draft all around. We can fall into the trap of comparing prospects to each other, but the reality is that there even fewer sure things than usual. 

[gonzo1105]

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter because we are taking a CB 

[MikePJ76]

6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter because we are taking a CB 

seems like they have to.  I have felt the biggest area of need this offseason was the secondary.  They went status quo at safety and are currently short a corner.  So the CB position needs seem to come above all else.

Edited 23 hours ago by MikePJ76

[nosejob]

3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Harmon scares me as a bit of a one-year wonder.  I like Grant more as a 1T who can also pass rush.  

I like Harmon better simply from his 5 sacks last year.  To me college production is no.1.  Would I trade up for him, no. He is like a Poona Ford jr. 6'1 ?

I would rather roll with Nolan and hopefully get Collins or a bigger guy after.

[nosejob]

3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

seems like they have to.  I have felt the biggest area of need this offseason was the secondary.  They went status quo at safety and are currently short two corners.  So the CB position needs seem to come above all else.

Question...Is it better to draft  top tier or have to find post June bodies and roll with a mediocre Dline?  Or is it better to build the line and have to pick up a CB vet or 2 later?

[HappyDays]

6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter because we are taking a CB 

 

I wouldn't be too sure. EDGE and DT are arguably just as big of needs as CB. It's almost certainly going to be one of those 3 positions, not just because of need but because that's likely where the value is going to match up.

[The Jokeman]

36 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6253459/2025/04/04/bills-2025-nfl-draft-defensive-tackles/

 

Why Grant falls below Harmon all has to do with current third-down capabilities. At this point, Grant is more of a clean-up pass-rusher than one who disrupts the pocket, and early on in his career, he may be nothing more than an early-down asset who has to come off the field for obvious pass-rushing situations, though there is more of a nimbleness to his movement abilities than other massive one-technique run-stuffers. He’ll never dip and rip through blockers, but through his power and movement skills, there is a path to seeing him develop as an asset on third downs. It will take some projecting by the team that drafts him.

 

He suggests if Harmon is available in the 20's to trade up and go get him.

 

If Harmon is available in the mid-20s or at No. 30 for the Bills, it could be a slam-dunk investment for them. 

 

He mentions an interesting day 3 1 tech DT that I find pretty interesting, Jamaree Caldwell

 

Jamaree Caldwell, Oregon — Caldwell is a gap-plugging, space-eating, one-technique-only prospect at 332 pounds with a quick first step. There is some thought he would be best suited to the 0-technique role in a 3-4 defense, but he’s a clear strength as a run defender.

 

 

Caldwell been on my short list for weeks now. I can see taking him later if go other ways earlier. That said am sure everyone's tired of it but I'm in Tyleik Williams at pick 30 all day every day. 

[DJB]

I’ve had Harmon over Grant as well for months. I think Grant is a good player , but he’s definitely more 1T with limited pass rushing upside . 
 

Harmon is a menace. He’s everywhere and creates havoc consistently. He does need to wrap up and tackle a little better to finish but man he’s disruptive. I was studying offensive players and Harmon was popping on screen playing against him lol
 

I’ll be thrilled with one of Harmon, Grant or Nolen round 1 . 

[MikePJ76]

7 minutes ago, nosejob said:

Question...Is it better to draft  top tier or have to find post June bodies and roll with a mediocre Dline?  Or is it better to build the line and have to pick up a CB vet or 2 later?

I can't imagine anyone left outside of douglas who could be signed post draft and be considered a starting corner in Buffalo.

 

they have shown year after year they can find veterans to play well on the d line although that is not ideal either.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:

I also like Harmon over Grant. Look Grant is a good prospect and a great level of potential. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be in consideration for the Bills pick at 30…..but despite all these great attributes he is very inconsistent. When he’s dominant he’s dominant but there are a lot of times on tape where you come away underwhelmed. I’m not at my computer but I have Grant I believe as my 40 or 41 prospect 

 

Yea me too. Harmon > Grant. I also don't have my board in front of me. Grant may be a tad higher on mine but we are only talking late 30s.

[mushypeaches]

You know, I really don't care much if the biggest guy on my DL, who we absolutely freaking need to help make our run defense better, is much of a pass rusher.

 

Ted Washington didn't get many sacks and he was OK at the job