Raiders extend Geno Smith, 2 years - $75 million

[Big Turk]

Hard to believe this is the same guy drafted behind EJ Manuel in the 2013 draft class that was so bad on the Jets and has now parlayed it into another $43 million for 2 years.  

 

Kudos to him tho...he looked in the mirror, realized he wasn't the person or player he wanted to be and decided to work hard to make a change and continue working hard even when it seemed like it wasn't paying off for him the first 4 years or so. He got his chance in Seattle and he has played pretty well since then.  Not elite, but pretty good. 

 

Always like to see success stories like this...he earned it thru his actions when it was so easy to go the Manziel way.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

8 hours ago, DapperCam said:

What is the goal here, make the playoffs and get bounced in the wild card round? I guess it beats a 17 year playoff drought.

Sabres fans would relish the opportunity to do that, as did Bills fans when that Tyrod led team broke the drought. 

[SoTier]

12 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Funny to see all these former Jests QBs making this $ from another team. 

 

Geno, Darnold, Rodgers

 

What's really funny is that Geno and Darnold have both taken teams to the playoffs while the Jests can't even make the playoffs with a future HOFer playing QB.

 

 

12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The Raiders are not going QB at 6. This is the final nail in that coffin. You don't hire a 70 odd year old Head Coach let him bring his placeholder QB from his last place in, then extend said QB to waste draft capital on a replacement. They are gonna try and win now with Grandpa Pete and Geno.

^^^

11 hours ago, julian said:

That’s crazy, but I think your 100% correct and I’m glad to be about as far away from that type of team building as one could possibly be.

 

It's not that crazy if the team doesn't think they can get a franchise QB in this draft.  Ward, Sanders, and Dart aren't in the same class as Elway, Kelly and Marino or Mayfield, Darnold, Allen as prospects.

 

 

8 hours ago, DapperCam said:

What is the goal here, make the playoffs and get bounced in the wild card round? I guess it beats a 17 year playoff drought.

 

How excited were we Bills fans in 2017 when we squeaked into the playoffs after 17 years?     When you're a fan of a perennial bottom feeder team, making the playoffs is your biggest goal.   Ya gotta make the playoffs before ya can win a playoff game.

[Mister Defense]

Wow, so Pete Caroll is not back to try to win a Suoer Bowl? Just to cash some more checks and do a job that he likes?  This move will likely mean he is done very soon.

 

Extending Smith for two more years is a pretty sad statement, either about his desire to win or mental competence.

 

Smith is never going to lead a team to a championship, anymore than Dak Prescott is.  No way.

 

When you play it safe, sticking with an average talent when you know his ceiling will never get you there, you lose.

 

In that division, with QBs  Mahomes, Nix, and Herbert,  and coaches Reid, Harbaugh, and Payton, the Raiders are set to be one of the worst teams in the league for the foreseeable future .

 

This is why Carrol is no longer coaching the Seahawks. He is a defensive coach who thinks mediocre is good enough on offense and at the QB position. I  now say he is one and done, or 1.5 and done.

 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The Raiders are not going QB at 6. This is the final nail in that coffin. You don't hire a 70 odd year old Head Coach let him bring his placeholder QB from his last place in, then extend said QB to waste draft capital on a replacement. They are gonna try and win now with Grandpa Pete and Geno.

 

11 hours ago, julian said:

That’s crazy, but I think your 100% correct and I’m glad to be about as far away from that type of team building as one could possibly be.

Well yeah, you don't hire a 70 year coach to build for the future.

 

The Raiders need a playoff appearance and a return to respectability. The easiest way to do that is hire a proven steady coach and a steady QB on an otherwise, pretty good roster  

[BillsShredder83]

12 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

Kind of a shocker. Wonder what EJ is pulling down these days?
 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44521358/source-raiders-qb-geno-smith-reach-two-year-75m-extension

Leave my boy alone! LOL I see him every college Saturday on ACC Network!  Dude is handsome and great at his job now, I know youre playing and I am too.  We thought he was gunna be Josh, before we knew who Josh was.  Everything happens for a reason and the way its supposed to, but I still have a soft spot for him.  I think he gave it his all to make it work, its not his fault he was way overdrafted in a bad class.

 

As far as Geno, good for him, hard to dislike that dude.  Perfect bridge guy, and EXACTLYYYYY who I want mentoring my young guy when I end up drafting one.  Probably the ultimate story of resilience in the NFL in the last decade.  There are a million dudes like him out of the league in 3 years.  67m career earnings so far, not too shabby!! Strikes me as the kinda guy who did a great job saving it.  Easier to hang onto when you think the ride might end at any minute

[BillsShredder83]

8 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

What's really funny is that Geno and Darnold have both taken teams to the playoffs while the Jests can't even make the playoffs with a future HOFer playing QB.

 

 

^^^

 

It's not that crazy if the team doesn't think they can get a franchise QB in this draft.  Ward, Sanders, and Dart aren't in the same class as Elway, Kelly and Marino or Mayfield, Darnold, Allen as prospects.

 

 

 

How excited were we Bills fans in 2017 when we squeaked into the playoffs after 17 years?     When you're a fan of a perennial bottom feeder team, making the playoffs is your biggest goal.   Ya gotta make the playoffs before ya can win a playoff game.

If Dart slides to 2nd I'd go get him.  Hes a dawg.  Reminds me of a rawer version of a dawg from Wyoming.  Not saying he'll replicate that by any means, but if surrounded well and developed I wouldnt be surprised if he developed into a QB right around the 10th-12th kinda ranking.  Tannehill type career

[ChevyVanMiller]

2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Leave my boy alone! LOL I see him every college Saturday on ACC Network!  Dude is handsome and great at his job now, I know youre playing and I am too.  We thought he was gunna be Josh, before we knew who Josh was.  Everything happens for a reason and the way its supposed to, but I still have a soft spot for him.  I think he gave it his all to make it work, its not his fault he was way overdrafted in a bad class.

 

As far as Geno, good for him, hard to dislike that dude.  Perfect bridge guy, and EXACTLYYYYY who I want mentoring my young guy when I end up drafting one.  Probably the ultimate story of resilience in the NFL in the last decade.  There are a million dudes like him out of the league in 3 years.  67m career earnings so far, not too shabby!! Strikes me as the kinda guy who did a great job saving it.  Easier to hang onto when you think the ride might end at any minute

I'm happy for him, too. I remember sitting in the stands when he completed that comeback against the Panthers thinking, we got our guy.
 

I think Buddy Nix messed up big time by announcing that he was going to retire and his last act for the Bills would be drafting the QB of the future. It was a bad class and he pigeon-holed himself by telegraphing his intentions pre-draft.

[prissythecat]

13 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

How are Sam Darnold and Geno smith getting so many chances? 

 

Because they don't suck like EJ ?

[Cash]

14 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The Raiders are not going QB at 6. This is the final nail in that coffin. You don't hire a 70 odd year old Head Coach let him bring his placeholder QB from his last place in, then extend said QB to waste draft capital on a replacement. They are gonna try and win now with Grandpa Pete and Geno.

 

Counterpoint:  The Raiders are not, and in my lifetime have never been, a rational or broadly competent organization.  If Mark Davis decides they're taking Sanders, they'll take Sanders.  (I'd still be surprised, but I'd put it at like 8-1 odds.)

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

Wow, so Pete Caroll is not back to try to win a Suoer Bowl? Just to cash some more checks and do a job that he likes?  This move will likely mean he is done very soon.

 

Extending Smith for two more years is a pretty sad statement, either about his desire to win or mental competence.

 

Smith is never going to lead a team to a championship, anymore than Dak Prescott is.  No way.

 

When you play it safe, sticking with an average talent when you know his ceiling will never get you there, you lose.

 

In that division, with QBs  Mahomes, Nix, and Herbert,  and coaches Reid, Harbaugh, and Payton, the Raiders are set to be one of the worst teams in the league for the foreseeable future .

 

This is why Carrol is no longer coaching the Seahawks. He is a defensive coach who thinks mediocre is good enough on offense and at the QB position. I  now say he is one and done, or 1.5 and done.

 

 

 

Just curious...  How do you know what Carrol thinks?  

 

Carroll has won more Super Bowls than all 21 Bills head coaches combined.  He's also won more college national championships than the combined total of the UB Bulls' 28 head coaches.  I personally don't think Pete's "mental competence" is really an issue - despite GB's concern with his age. 

 

I also suspect he went after Geno because Josh (or Pat, Joe, etc.) wasn't available.   When you go to the store and the shelves are empty, you take what you can get. 

 

And let's not forget Geno threw for more yards with a higher completion percentage than Allen last year.  Geno's not MVP material but he's not Nate Peterman either.  

[cle23]

6 hours ago, folz said:

Good for Geno. A first round pick, two rough years to start, horrible franchise, the whole punched in the jaw episode, which led to him losing his starting job to Fitzpatrick. Then served 2 years as backup with Jets, 1 year backup with Giants, 1 year backup with Chargers, 3 years backup in Seattle. That was his first 9 years in the league. A lot of guys with his draft status and those circumstances would have quit or been run out of the league for not working hard, attitude, or not fulfilling the role of a backup well (ego), etc. In his first 10 years in the league, he made just shy of $15,000,000 total. In 2019, his salary was only $805,000. In 2022, it was still only $3,500,000.

 

He has now been a starter for the last three years, and it appears that he will have at least one or two more years in that role. And in the last 2.5 years now, he has earned contracts worth approx. $125,000,000. I give him a lot of credit for sticking with it, obviously continuing to work hard and to believe in himself. He obviously loves the game and/or still wanted to prove himself. He will now have carved out a 13+-year career and have generational wealth, when he could have just been a footnote in the league (based only on his draft position), like a lot of other guys.

 

I wouldn't want him as my QB, but ya gotta give him credit for his work ethic and perseverance. 

 

He was a 2nd rounder, but your point still stands.  There were rumors and such before that draft of him going #1 overall simply by being the "top" QB, but it just turned out to be a horrible QB draft.  

[JP51]

6 hours ago, folz said:

Good for Geno. A first round pick, two rough years to start, horrible franchise, the whole punched in the jaw episode, which led to him losing his starting job to Fitzpatrick. Then served 2 years as backup with Jets, 1 year backup with Giants, 1 year backup with Chargers, 3 years backup in Seattle. That was his first 9 years in the league. A lot of guys with his draft status and those circumstances would have quit or been run out of the league for not working hard, attitude, or not fulfilling the role of a backup well (ego), etc. In his first 10 years in the league, he made just shy of $15,000,000 total. In 2019, his salary was only $805,000. In 2022, it was still only $3,500,000.

 

He has now been a starter for the last three years, and it appears that he will have at least one or two more years in that role. And in the last 2.5 years now, he has earned contracts worth approx. $125,000,000. I give him a lot of credit for sticking with it, obviously continuing to work hard and to believe in himself. He obviously loves the game and/or still wanted to prove himself. He will now have carved out a 13+-year career and have generational wealth, when he could have just been a footnote in the league (based only on his draft position), like a lot of other guys.

 

I wouldn't want him as my QB, but ya gotta give him credit for his work ethic and perseverance. 

So I agree with you here, good for him... just one item of note. He actually was a 2nd rd pick. I remember him sitting in the draft hall waiting to get picked some had him mocked as a top 5 guy... and him slinking in his chair as each name was called... and then going home not getting picked. I actually felt really bad for him.... 

[julian]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

 

Well yeah, you don't hire a 70 year coach to build for the future.

 

The Raiders need a playoff appearance and a return to respectability. The easiest way to do that is hire a proven steady coach and a steady QB on an otherwise, pretty good roster  

Sure, but the Raiders aren’t unique in needing to make the playoffs or having a desire for respectability. What is unique is hiring a 70 year old HC as you described and paying a journeyman at QB like the world is going to end in 2027.

 

 Sad to watch such a storied franchise so lost for so long.

[Utah John]

14 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

How are Sam Darnold and Geno smith getting so many chances? 

They improved from being busts to being mediocre, and with 32 teams all needing a QB, that's enough to pull down that kind of money.

[folz]

2 hours ago, cle23 said:

 

He was a 2nd rounder, but your point still stands.  There were rumors and such before that draft of him going #1 overall simply by being the "top" QB, but it just turned out to be a horrible QB draft.  

 

2 hours ago, JP51 said:

So I agree with you here, good for him... just one item of note. He actually was a 2nd rd pick. I remember him sitting in the draft hall waiting to get picked some had him mocked as a top 5 guy... and him slinking in his chair as each name was called... and then going home not getting picked. I actually felt really bad for him.... 

 

Thanks for the correction guys. I forgot that he slipped to the 2nd round. But yeah, that's one more reason why he could have quit...or one more hurdle that he had to jump---the humiliation of expecting to go round one, being in the green room with the cameras on you, and your name not getting called.

[JP51]

18 minutes ago, folz said:

 

 

Thanks for the correction guys. I forgot that he slipped to the 2nd round. But yeah, that's one more reason why he could have quit...or one more hurdle that he had to jump---the humiliation of expecting to go round one, being in the green room with the cameras on you, and your name not getting called.

and I absolutely agree...  I was kinda glad he ended up having a decent career and got paid a bit too ... Love the underdog that works hard and gets a little piece of the Pie...  totally with you there. 

[Mr. WEO]

21 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The Raiders are not going QB at 6. This is the final nail in that coffin. You don't hire a 70 odd year old Head Coach let him bring his placeholder QB from his last place in, then extend said QB to waste draft capital on a replacement. They are gonna try and win now with Grandpa Pete and Geno.

crazy right?  This won’t end well.  That team stinks

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

crazy right?  This won’t end well.  That team stinks

 

It wouldn't have been the way I went about it.

[HOUSE]

We had Gino Smith in our gun sites in the 2013 draft  but no we just had to draft EJ Manuel  ..

Edited 4 hours ago by HOUSE