Joe Milton traded to Cowboys

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 4/3/2025 at 3:23 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Eh, Barkley was barely better than Peterman. Two of the worst qbs to play in a long time. 
 

i personally like the guy who can play in the league vet (Andy Dalton) or the upside guy. I hate our backups and we are blessed Allen is made of steel. 

 

I mean Dalton's last "good" season was what, 2017?  I feel like trubisky put up better numbers in Chicago than anything Dalton has done in the last 5 years.  He did really suck in pittsburgh, but so did everyone else that played on those bad steeler offenses - to be clear i think Mitch sucked the most 🙂.  Pickett, Rudolph, Trubisky, Wilson, Fields - doesn't really matter when they can't block, suck at running, and have one of the worst playcallers in the league.  

 

I like vet backups personally.  They watch (and have watched) a lot of film, and backup QBs are more and more getting involved in coaching.  Help get the starter ready to go.  

Edited Friday at 07:56 PM by Bleeding Bills Blue

[Doc Brown]

19 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

I think it's a terrible move by the Pats. 

 

Let's also comment that they are acting like Maye had a legendary season, when he was only marginally above Trent Edwards or JP Losman first year starting kind of seasons. 

 

Granted, he showed a lot of promise....but for that measure of compensation might have been worth keeping Milton around another season. 

If the Patriots had any doubts about Maye or any belief that Milton would become a competent NFL starting QB they wouldn't have dealt him.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I'm a bit concerned with all the picks the pats are accumulating.

 

First round: No. 4

Second round: No. 38

Third round: No. 69

Third round: No. 77 (From Atlanta)

Fourth round: No. 106

Fifth round: No. 144

Fifth round: No. 171 (From Dallas)

Seventh round: No. 220

Seventh round: No. 238 (From Los Angeles Chargers)

 

They could make a strong push for the division 

 

They were 4-13 last year, and while they added in free agency and have a new coaching staff - they were not close in many of those games.  They were outscored by 128, 3rd fewest points scored in the league ahead of Cleveland and NYG.  Washington did the 1 year turnaround, but a lot broke right for them and they made a ton of moves to accrue picks, space, and players.  

 

The 3 uncommon opponents of - NYG, LVR, Tenn vs. buffalos Chiefs, Texans, Eagles is an advantage for them for sure.  But Buffalo's away schedule is easier, and Buffalo is a really good home team.  

 

Buffalo away games of Pitt, Atlanta, Carolina, Cleveland, Houston 

NE Away games of Tenn, Cinci, TB, NO, and Baltimore

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

23 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

Wow, just shocked that the girls made a good, maybe great move, with almost no risk.  And that New England made an apparently very bad one.

 

So Milton clearly did not look like he did against our backups when he was practicing with New England!

 

If he did, then a comically bad move, as there are so many teams that need a high quality starter this year and next.

 

Really looking forward to seeing how this works out, how he looks in the preseason.  Dak, a good guy, will never lead them to a championship and will likely never come close.  So what happens if Milton looks like he did against the Bills with the cowgirls in the preseason?

 

 

 

Well... it's the preseason so... likely nothing happens  Much like week 18 games against a teams entire roster of backups.  I'm not sure how much value you get there.  Peterman carved people up in the preseason when the other team doesn't blitz, and end of roster guys are playing the whole game.  If that defense Milton faced suited up for the bills for 17 games, they would have been by far the worst unit in the league.  

 

None of the tools that existed before are any different than they were a year ago when they drafted him in the 6th (pick 193).  He's already 25 (older than trey lance), and the between the ears processing and stuff is where all the question marks were when he came out.  Nothing that happened last season or in any preseason changes that.  

 

From NE's perspective - they likely floated him in trade talks and took the best or only offer.  Signing dobbs to me meant they would either trade him or try and waive him to the PS.  Nobody is trying to carry 3 QBs for an entire season as players just get hurt too much to lose that roster flexibility.  Ch

 

NE Trades:

2025 - Pick 217 (Chart value of 4.2) 

2024 - Pick 193 (Chart value of 13.8)

 

Dallas Trades: 

2025 - Pick 171 (Chart value of 23)

[Mister Defense]

4 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Well... it's the preseason so... likely nothing happens  Much like week 18 games against a teams entire roster of backups.  I'm not sure how much value you get there.  Peterman carved people up in the preseason when the other team doesn't blitz, and end of roster guys are playing the whole game.  If that defense Milton faced suited up for the bills for 17 games, they would have been by far the worst unit in the league.  

 

None of the tools that existed before are any different than they were a year ago when they drafted him in the 6th (pick 193).  He's already 25 (older than trey lance), and the between the ears processing and stuff is where all the question marks were when he came out.  Nothing that happened last season or in any preseason changes that.  

 

From NE's perspective - they likely floated him in trade talks and took the best or only offer.  Signing dobbs to me meant they would either trade him or try and waive him to the PS.  Nobody is trying to carry 3 QBs for an entire season as players just get hurt too much to lose that roster flexibility.  Ch

 

NE Trades:

2025 - Pick 217 (Chart value of 4.2) 

2024 - Pick 193 (Chart value of 13.8)

 

Dallas Trades: 

2025 - Pick 171 (Chart value of 23)

 

 

I agree with a lot of that.

 

But we definitely do not know if what you say in the sentence above, now in bold, is accurate.  Some guys, with skills like Milton has, the physical tools, get to the NFL and something clicks.

 

Only one game, yup, and like we both said, lotsa backups, but he looked superb, one of the best first game performances I have ever seen in the NFL.

 

It may not mean much, but it could, right?

 

Like I said, it seems likely the pats saw some things in practice and camp that caused them to not have much hope for him. But you never know.  Kurt Warner was bagging groceries at one point, with no one clamoring to even bring him in. 

 

Then, MVP, Super Bowl champ, and Fall of Fame.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mannc]

6 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Well... it's the preseason so... likely nothing happens  Much like week 18 games against a teams entire roster of backups.  I'm not sure how much value you get there.  Peterman carved people up in the preseason when the other team doesn't blitz, and end of roster guys are playing the whole game.  If that defense Milton faced suited up for the bills for 17 games, they would have been by far the worst unit in the league.  

 

None of the tools that existed before are any different than they were a year ago when they drafted him in the 6th (pick 193).  He's already 25 (older than trey lance), and the between the ears processing and stuff is where all the question marks were when he came out.  Nothing that happened last season or in any preseason changes that.  

 

From NE's perspective - they likely floated him in trade talks and took the best or only offer.  Signing dobbs to me meant they would either trade him or try and waive him to the PS.  Nobody is trying to carry 3 QBs for an entire season as players just get hurt too much to lose that roster flexibility.  Ch

 

NE Trades:

2025 - Pick 217 (Chart value of 4.2) 

2024 - Pick 193 (Chart value of 13.8)

 

Dallas Trades: 

2025 - Pick 171 (Chart value of 23)

It’s hard to believe that was the best offer for Milton.  Hell, if I was NO, the Giants or the Browns I would trade at least a fourth for him and let him compete for the job.  What do you have to lose?

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, mannc said:

It’s hard to believe that was the best offer for Milton.  Hell, if I was NO, the Giants or the Browns I would trade at least a fourth for him and let him compete for the job.  What do you have to lose?

The fact you could probably get a better quarterback in the fourth round this year lol I would rather take my chances on Kyle McCord of Syracuse in the fourth round then him

 

I'm not knocking his physical gifts.. I'm knocking his 6 years in college and not able to knock off any quarterbacks .. he's the type of guy that will wow anybody in a showcase setting 

 

His week 18 matchup versus the bills with backups literally means nothing at the end of the day.. Patriots gave him up for nothing so that shows they thought he is a backup

 

There have been plenty of toolsy quarterbacks over the last 20 years who amount to zilch

Edited Saturday at 03:17 AM by Buffalo716

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 4/3/2025 at 10:25 AM, boco357 said:

Some fans thought they were getting a 2nd rounder, ha.  For those who forget he lit up our "defense" in finale.

IDC what anyone says. That’s a find for the Cowboys. I can’t explain it, but it seems like Milton has the intangibles in the limited times I’ve seen him on the field. 

I would be mega excited if I was a Dallas fan. Milton checks every box you want for a QB. If they stay patient and develop an offense around him, the sky is the limit. Reminds me a lot of Josh Allen actually. I wish Buffalo had a chance to develop him. 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

IDC what anyone says. That’s a find for the Cowboys. I can’t explain it, but it seems like Milton has the intangibles in the limited times I’ve seen him on the field. 

I think you have it flip floped 

 

He has insane tangibles.. his metrics are off the chart 

 

If you watch him play in 15 college games the intangibles are kind of missing.. his downfield vision and timing has been off since Michigan 

 

He doesn't have the best eyes and stairs down receivers, struggles anticipating between zone coverage 

 

He looks the part and has a super live arm and athleticism but those are tangibles

 

 

Edited Saturday at 03:45 AM by Buffalo716

[mannc]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The fact you could probably get a better quarterback in the fourth round this year lol I would rather take my chances on Kyle McCord of Syracuse in the fourth round then him

 

 

That is not a “fact”, of course.

Edited Saturday at 12:44 PM by mannc

[stuvian]

Didn't Jerry Jones just finish telling us how smart he was for signing Trey Lance?

[Captain Hindsight]

On 4/4/2025 at 3:56 PM, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I mean Dalton's last "good" season was what, 2017?  I feel like trubisky put up better numbers in Chicago than anything Dalton has done in the last 5 years.  He did really suck in pittsburgh, but so did everyone else that played on those bad steeler offenses - to be clear i think Mitch sucked the most 🙂.  Pickett, Rudolph, Trubisky, Wilson, Fields - doesn't really matter when they can't block, suck at running, and have one of the worst playcallers in the league.  

 

I like vet backups personally.  They watch (and have watched) a lot of film, and backup QBs are more and more getting involved in coaching.  Help get the starter ready to go.  

There is also a lot less you need to develop in a vet backup

 

Andy Reid has the same model his entire career. Even back to Donovan McNabb he had Doug Pederson, Carson Wentz, Matt Moore, Chad Henne

 

All failed starters with lots of starts. It’s a good model

19 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

IDC what anyone says. That’s a find for the Cowboys. I can’t explain it, but it seems like Milton has the intangibles in the limited times I’ve seen him on the field. 

I would be mega excited if I was a Dallas fan. Milton checks every box you want for a QB. If they stay patient and develop an offense around him, the sky is the limit. Reminds me a lot of Josh Allen actually. I wish Buffalo had a chance to develop him. 

Milton has everything but the intangibles. Crazy athletic, crazy talent, meh vision and decision making

 

[Buffalo716]

10 hours ago, mannc said:

That is not a “fact”, of course.

Well no... But most scouts on the road that I know have a higher grade on McCord than they did on Milton 

 

And you could probably get mccord in the 4th or fifth round..  you're getting developmental prospect either way 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

20 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The fact you could probably get a better quarterback in the fourth round this year lol I would rather take my chances on Kyle McCord of Syracuse in the fourth round then him

 

I'm not knocking his physical gifts.. I'm knocking his 6 years in college and not able to knock off any quarterbacks .. he's the type of guy that will wow anybody in a showcase setting 

 

His week 18 matchup versus the bills with backups literally means nothing at the end of the day.. Patriots gave him up for nothing so that shows they thought he is a backup

 

There have been plenty of toolsy quarterbacks over the last 20 years who amount to zilch

 

agree.  this guy played a lot of college ball and couldn't bump of the bums starting ahead of him. 

 

they say Kyle Boller could throw a ball 70 yards on his knees.  Alex Tanney could drop a pass into a garbage can from 50....

[Sierra Foothills]

 

On 4/3/2025 at 7:51 AM, boyst said:

He's talented as a backup QB. The next Tyrod. 

 

I find this an odd comparison boyst. Milton has more talent in his pinkie than Tyrod does in his arm.

 

On 4/3/2025 at 7:57 AM, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

Assuming the picks are in this draft - 2024 6th and 2025 7th for a 2025 5th.  That doesn't seem like a bad trade.  

 

It doesn't seem like a bad trade for whom?

 

On 4/3/2025 at 8:08 AM, TBBills Fan said:

Trey Lance must just be horrible lol

 

FWIW, Lance signed with the Chargers yesterday.

 

On 4/3/2025 at 9:01 AM, Warriorspikes51 said:

Really stupid trade for the Pats.  He could be a legit starter if given the chance.  Why not keep him?  Worth at least a 2nd IMO

 

QB controversy in Dallas

 

I agree with the handful of posters in this topic who say that NE didn't want Milton around in the event Maye stumbles.

 

On 4/3/2025 at 9:18 AM, mannc said:

How much of a chance does Milton have to beat out Dak Prescott?

 

He doesn't have to beat out Dak... Prescott has missed 24 games in the last 5 seasons. He's not exactly an ironman.

 

On 4/3/2025 at 11:55 AM, Mr. WEO said:

4 wins is 4 wins.  Milton played for 6 years in 2 Big time programs--amassing a total of 5300 yards 37 TDs in 43 games.  He was backing up Shea Patterson (who??) at Michigan and Henden Hooker in Tennessee (one of whom made it onto a roster as a backup).

 

Where's the upside?

 

Milton had a much better career than Anthony Richardson and Richardson was drafted 4th overall.

 

Milton was the MVP of the Orange Bowl if I recall correctly.

 

Milton just turned 25 and I would not write him off at this point.

 

On 4/3/2025 at 12:49 PM, Logic said:

I really wish the Bills had used one of this year's 2nds to trade up to the late teens LAST year to draft Brian Thomas Jr.

I suppose if they do it this year and add an impact defender on the d-line, that'd be great. But...

I can't help but feel like this team has been a little bit "day late and a dollar short" the past couple years when it comes to their early round draft picks. Next up: not taking a running back in this year's super deep running back class, then having to take one higher than advisable next year in a less impressive class because Cook doesn't get re-signed.

 

I'm curious what prompted you to bring up Brian Thomas Jr. in this topic?

 

Edited Sunday at 03:37 AM by Sierra Foothills

[cle23]

On 4/4/2025 at 11:37 PM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

IDC what anyone says. That’s a find for the Cowboys. I can’t explain it, but it seems like Milton has the intangibles in the limited times I’ve seen him on the field. 

I would be mega excited if I was a Dallas fan. Milton checks every box you want for a QB. If they stay patient and develop an offense around him, the sky is the limit. Reminds me a lot of Josh Allen actually. I wish Buffalo had a chance to develop him. 

 

He checks all the PHYSICAL boxes.  He hasn't checked all the mental boxes all the way through college.  

 

He was a below 50% passer in high school as well.  

Edited Sunday at 05:09 AM by cle23

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

I find this an odd comparison boyst. Milton has more talent in his pinkie than Tyrod does in his arm.

 

 

It doesn't seem like a bad trade for whom?

 

 

FWIW, Lance signed with the Chargers yesterday.

 

 

I agree with the handful of posters in this topic who say that NE didn't want Milton around in the event Maye stumbles.

 

 

He doesn't have to beat out Dak... Prescott has missed 24 games in the last 5 seasons. He's not exactly an ironman.

 

 

Milton had a much better career than Anthony Richardson and Richardson was drafted 4th overall.

 

Milton was the MVP of the Orange Bowl if I recall correctly.

 

Milton just turned 25 and I would not write him off at this point.

 

 

I'm curious what prompted you to bring up Brian Thomas Jr. in this topic?

 

 

Richardson has been a bust--good comp.

[Doc]

Dumb move IMHO.  They spent a mid-6th rounder on him and got back essentially a high 6th rounder in value.  I realize that the last game was against Bills' backups, but there was potential and at least had value as a backup.

 

And I find it funny that people are sold on Maye.  He didn't even have as good a season as Mac Jones did as a rookie, and look where he is now.

[Sierra Foothills]

From ProFootballTalk:

 

"... the message is unmistakable. Vrabel didn’t want Milton to be around when the process begins of crafting a team that will be clearly and unambiguously led by Drake Maye.

There’s been plenty of chatter about the concern that Milton’s mere presence undermines Maye. Milton has skills. Milton played well, both in the preseason and in a Week 18 win over the Bills that cost New England the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.

The Patriots apparently don’t want on the roster a quarterback around whom some players and plenty of fans might rally if/when Maye experiences obstacles in the effort to achieve his ceiling. They want Maye to be the guy. If there’s another guy for whom a plausible argument can be made that he’s the guy, it becomes harder for Maye to be and stay the guy.

The move leaves the Patriots with only two quarterbacks on the roster: Maye and Joshua Dobbs. They’ll inevitably be adding someone to replace Milton.

Someone who won’t dilute the Drake Maye vibe in New England."

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-patriots-wanted-to-trade-joe-milton-iii-before-start-of-offseason-program

 

[mannc]

9 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

From ProFootballTalk:

 

"... the message is unmistakable. Vrabel didn’t want Milton to be around when the process begins of crafting a team that will be clearly and unambiguously led by Drake Maye.

There’s been plenty of chatter about the concern that Milton’s mere presence undermines Maye. Milton has skills. Milton played well, both in the preseason and in a Week 18 win over the Bills that cost New England the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.

The Patriots apparently don’t want on the roster a quarterback around whom some players and plenty of fans might rally if/when Maye experiences obstacles in the effort to achieve his ceiling. They want Maye to be the guy. If there’s another guy for whom a plausible argument can be made that he’s the guy, it becomes harder for Maye to be and stay the guy.

The move leaves the Patriots with only two quarterbacks on the roster: Maye and Joshua Dobbs. They’ll inevitably be adding someone to replace Milton.

Someone who won’t dilute the Drake Maye vibe in New England."

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-patriots-wanted-to-trade-joe-milton-iii-before-start-of-offseason-program

 

I figured that was the reason.  It’s still stupid.