Joe Milton traded to Cowboys

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

25 minutes ago, mannc said:

If Maye goes down, their season is likely over with either Dobbs or Milton, but at least Milton has upside potential and could develop into something.  Dobbs gives you nothing that you couldn’t get from a street free agent like Mike White or some other bum.

 

But does Maye get better with an inexperienced backup?  I mean Milton's 25 and has started 22 games in 7 years...

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

This makes absolutely no sense for NE.  Why do this?  So Josh Dobbs can be your backup?  Did Milton and Maye not get along?  

Josh Dobbs is already QB2 there. I’d have wanted more to move Milton. Maybe Vrabel is doing the kid a solid by trading him to where he can be QB2 and possibly get on the field. Or maybe he knows the kid isn’t QB2 material and just wanted to get something for him. 

[Joe Marino]

Did we just win the division?

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Meanwhile, if Maye struggles out of the gate for any reason, New England avoids a QB controversy in the media, fan base and potentially  the locker room and putting more pressure on Maye. 

 

In the end, they shipped out a player the new staff isn't tied to. Shame for them they couldn't get more out of it. 

 

That is one of the reasons I agree with.

The other is, NE probably only wants 2 QBs on the roster.

No doubt, they think Dobbs will be a good vet influence on Maye, after all they just signed a 2-year $8M contract with him.

 

Cutting Milton hoping he makes the PS wasn't going to happen, so therefore the trade.

I wouldn't doubt they draft a late rounder or UDFA for the PS.

[Aussie Joe]

 

[Captain Hindsight]

14 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Highest paid QB in the league works out. story at 11

 

actually, that’s the whole story 

[mannc]

43 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

But does Maye get better with an inexperienced backup?  I mean Milton's 25 and has started 22 games in 7 years...

Maye’s development isn’t going to hinge on who his backup is…

[Captain Hindsight]

Just now, mannc said:

Maye’s development isn’t going to hinge on who his backup is…

It doesn’t hurt. I’m sure Josh got much better advice from Matt Barkley than Peterman 

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

So what?  If Maye were to get hurt, do you really think Josh Dobbs keeps them in contention for a playoff spot?

Even if Maye doesn't get hurt, do you really think NE is in contention for a playoff spot?  Their over/under win total in futures is 7.5 wins.  

[mannc]

1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Even if Maye doesn't get hurt, do you really think NE is in contention for a playoff spot?  Their over/under win total in futures is 7.5 wins.  

Agreed, which means the trade makes even less sense.

[Albany,n.y.]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Agreed, which means the trade makes even less sense.

It makes sense if NE believes Milton is going nowhere in the NFL.  Either that or they're trying to get rid of everyone responsible for ruining their tank in the season finale.  

[DapperCam]

4 hours ago, mannc said:

This makes absolutely no sense for NE.  Why do this?  So Josh Dobbs can be your backup?  Did Milton and Maye not get along?  

I think they want a veteran stable QB as a backup. Maye is a 2nd year player so a vet backup makes sense. The Cowboys don't need that because they have a veteran starter, so a higher ceiling backup makes more sense. Maybe he can turn into a starter in a couple of years that they can recoup draft capital on or move on from Dak.

[Udubalum07]

The way I look at this is that New England wanted a more experienced backup for Maye. Milton is definitely talented, but probably doesn't do much for Maye when it comes to game prep, and that is probably more of what he needs right now. 

 

Not a bad move on both ends in my opinion.

 

Eta: New England's roster is horrible so there is a lot of room for rookies to make the team and get playing time.

Edited yesterday at 06:43 PM by Udubalum07

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

3 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

 

Yeah, honestly its surprising NE didn't want to keep him

Yeah that's where I am. Do I think Milton is going to set the league on fire? Lol no

 

Do I think he's an entertaining project who has an outside chance of sticking around? Maybe. And for the low low cost he's locked in for, what are you getting better for in 5th rounder?

[DapperCam]

44 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Highest paid QB in the league works out. story at 11

 

actually, that’s the whole story 

 

Some people look like they are in the best shape of their life and don't even make $60m/yr. The news doesn't even cover it!

[folz]

3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Rob Johnson got Jacksonville a 1st rounder for doing the same thing in preseason.  

 

To be fair, it was one preseason game and one regular season game (not against scrubs) for Rob Johnson. In 1997 Mark Brunell (QB of the Jags) injured his knee in the 2nd preseason game. Rob Johnson was the starter for the third preseason game. Couldn't find any stats for the 4th pre-season game, but assume he didn't play (cause back then only 3rd-5th stringers usually played the 4th preseason game). Johnson would then go on to start the first game of the year for the Jags---Week 1 of the regular season vs. the Baltimore Ravens (as Brunell was still recovering). It wasn't a very good Baltimore team (they would finish 6-9-1 with Vinny Testeverde as their QB), but it was their starting line-up, on opening day, in Baltimore.

 

Rob Johnson's stats for those two games in 1997 (before becoming a Bill in 1998):

Preseason week 3 vs. 49ers: 22 of 29 for 241 yards, 1 TD (passing), 0 INTs, 16 Rushing yards, 1 TD (rushing)---in a 28-20 Jax win (albeit preseason). [SF did go 13-3 that year, but not sure how they managed this preseason game, i.e., how many starters played and for how long, etc.]

Regular season week 1 vs. Ravens: 20 of 24 for 294 yards, 2 TDs (passing), 0 INTs, 31 Rushing yards, 1 TD (rushing)---and a 28-27 Jax win.

 

But, your point of possible fool's gold (with Milton, in relation to Johnson) still stands.

 

And interesting to note, Johnson only saw 13 more snaps total the rest of that year (1997).

He went: 2 for 4 for 50 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs, 3 sacks, 3 Rushing yards (on 9 attempts), 0 TDs

[Not quite so pretty, but I guess it was tough to knock a guy for those stats too much when it was across 4 games---basically coming in and playing 2-5 snaps in each of those games.}

Edited yesterday at 06:56 PM by folz

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

If Maye goes down, their season is likely over with either Dobbs or Milton, but at least Milton has upside potential and could develop into something.  Dobbs gives you nothing that you couldn’t get from a street free agent like Mike White or some other bum.

 

 

 

4 wins is 4 wins.  Milton played for 6 years in 2 Big time programs--amassing a total of 5300 yards 37 TDs in 43 games.  He was backing up Shea Patterson (who??) at Michigan and Henden Hooker in Tennessee (one of whom made it onto a roster as a backup).

 

Where's the upside?

[Utah John]

Possibly the Pats did this at Milton's request.  He doesn't want to be a backup, and Maye is clearly a rising talent who would have kept Milton on the bench.  But the Pats seem to have sold for a very low price.  This looks like a steal for the Cowboys.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Can’t believe I am saying this, but the cowboys take some solid calculated risks at the backup QB position. There is a lot of upside to go getting younger, talented raw prospects (Milton) or high-upside reclamation projects (lance) at backup QB. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Can’t believe the Pats traded their best QB!!!

 

Kidding (kinda).  I like some of Maye’s skills and he certainly better than MacJones. But man, the way Pats fans (looking at you Bill Simmons) have hyped him, you’d swear he was Manning or Luck. 
 

and I know he struggles to put it together but I would love a guy with his skills to learn under Josh. Our backups stick and it could be future tradebait. 

24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

4 wins is 4 wins.  Milton played for 6 years in 2 Big time programs--amassing a total of 5300 yards 37 TDs in 43 games.  He was backing up Shea Patterson (who??) at Michigan and Henden Hooker in Tennessee (one of whom made it onto a roster as a backup).

 

Where's the upside?

Milton is why I hated the Josh Allen pick - the toolsy guy who never put it together. It’s why Allen is such a unicorn because these guys fail all the time. But on paper, Milton has an absolute cannon, size, and speed. But as with most of those guys, he lacks consistency and touch,