How far up in the 1st round could we move up with one of our 2nds?

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

This is not the year to trade up in the 1st round IMO. If Beane wants to flip one of his later 4ths to go up a couple spots I guess that's fine, but I would not want to part with either of our 2nds. The book on this draft class is that it has little top end talent, but a ton of 2nd and 3rd tier talent. With our first three picks we can likely get three players that are actually graded as being worthy of those spots. And that is not typically possible. So I would just stay put, especially since we have so many needs.

 

The best bet is trading up into the 3rd round using our first 4th rounder. Minnesota is a good target because they only have 4 picks in the entire draft. Going from 109 to 97 would cost one of our late 5th rounders. 

Agreed- but I wouldn’t mind trading a 4th to move up for Grant if he gets into the mid 20’s.  Definitely wouldn’t want to trade a 2nd to move up.  Ideally I’d love to pick 4-5 times in the first 3 but I really see Grant as the ideal pick for us and would pay 1-2 day 3 picks to make it happen.  

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

To me, this is exactly why it's the year to move up. 

 

We need top end talent more then 2nd and 3rd tier guys added to the roster at this point. We need to add a difference maker and we actually have the ammunition to get it done. 

 

On top of that it seems like a lot of teams may be open to moving down this year which may make this a buyers market and have to give up a bit less to get a deal done.

 

If we move a 2 to go get a difference maker we have enough to get into the third and grab another tier 3 guy.

But you aren’t going to be able to get the top tier guys.  They are top 10 picks and there are really only 3-5 of them (imo).  Are we going to land Hunter, Carter, Graham or Jeanty?  No.  So you’re going to get a 2nd 3rd tier guy whether you pick in the teens or at 30.  That’s the contending argument.  

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

And I actually agree with this in theory.  My issue is that I don't see this as a very star heavy draft.  I think there are a few of them, but I am not sure I see enough major impact players that will make it into the middle of the round.  I actually think there is a good chance you get the same player in terms of quality at 30 as you would at say 18 or 19.  Just not sure it is worth all you will have to give up to get there.  In other drafts, sure.....but I just don't see this one as a heavy star-laden draft.  But that's just me.  If Beane sees a guy in the late teens that he truly believes is one of the top players in the draft then, by all means, go get him.  As I sit here today, I just don't know who that guy is that will be worth using a 2nd rounder plus probably another pick to go up and get.  Now, if you want to move up a few spots by giving up a 4th or 5th, fine.....  But I am not eager to part with a 2nd for 10 spots or so in this draft.

I agree with this. Really, it's going to come down to individual evaluations and who falls within range, and there's no way to anticipate that with much accuracy. I can think of 3 or 4 players that might fall that would tempt me. I think Beane should be prepared to make a big move if something develops. If it doesn't, the strength of the draft is as you say. Either move up for a player you think can be elite, or, if anything, you'd like to find a way to maybe add a third rounder and have four picks in the first two days.

 

I would consider moving up for Grant, who I like a lot, and for Barron. I personally really like Starks, even though I suppose folks would lose their minds if we took a safety in the first. And some folks have mentioned Golden. The only WR I would trade up for would be McMillan if he unaccountably fell within range, though if we end up going some combination of CB and DT early, I think Beane should add at WR either with the remaining second rounder, or a third rounder that he'd have to finagle. Kyle Williams would be my target. I don't think he makes it to day 3.

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

And I actually agree with this in theory.  My issue is that I don't see this as a very star heavy draft.  I think there are a few of them, but I am not sure I see enough major impact players that will make it into the middle of the round.  I actually think there is a good chance you get the same player in terms of quality at 30 as you would at say 18 or 19.  Just not sure it is worth all you will have to give up to get there.  In other drafts, sure.....but I just don't see this one as a heavy star-laden draft.  But that's just me.  If Beane sees a guy in the late teens that he truly believes is one of the top players in the draft then, by all means, go get him.  As I sit here today, I just don't know who that guy is that will be worth using a 2nd rounder plus probably another pick to go up and get.  Now, if you want to move up a few spots by giving up a 4th or 5th, fine.....  But I am not eager to part with a 2nd for 10 spots or so in this draft.

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I’d give up day 3 picks for Grant, Barron or Golden if they fall to within reach.  Definitely not a 2nd rounder for anyone.   

22 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

And I actually agree with this in theory.  My issue is that I don't see this as a very star heavy draft.  I think there are a few of them, but I am not sure I see enough major impact players that will make it into the middle of the round.  I actually think there is a good chance you get the same player in terms of quality at 30 as you would at say 18 or 19.  Just not sure it is worth all you will have to give up to get there.  In other drafts, sure.....but I just don't see this one as a heavy star-laden draft.  But that's just me.  If Beane sees a guy in the late teens that he truly believes is one of the top players in the draft then, by all means, go get him.  As I sit here today, I just don't know who that guy is that will be worth using a 2nd rounder plus probably another pick to go up and get.  Now, if you want to move up a few spots by giving up a 4th or 5th, fine.....  But I am not eager to part with a 2nd for 10 spots or so in this draft.

💯

 

I’d give up day 3 picks for Grant, Barron or Golden if they fall to within reach.  Definitely not a 2nd rounder for anyone.   

Edited 20 hours ago by NewEra

[Process]

Love the idea of trading a 4th to move up and secure Grant if he falls. 

 

This is not the draft to make a big move IMO. We should be able to get some nice defenders where we are picking in rounds 1 and 2. Use those Day 3 picks for small move ups to make sure we land the guys we want.

[NewEra]

15 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I agree with this. Really, it's going to come down to individual evaluations and who falls within range, and there's no way to anticipate that with much accuracy. I can think of 3 or 4 players that might fall that would tempt me. I think Beane should be prepared to make a big move if something develops. If it doesn't, the strength of the draft is as you say. Either move up for a player you think can be elite, or, if anything, you'd like to find a way to maybe add a third rounder and have four picks in the first two days.

 

I would consider moving up for Grant, who I like a lot, and for Barron. I personally really like Starks, even though I suppose folks would lose their minds if we took a safety in the first. And some folks have mentioned Golden. The only WR I would trade up for would be McMillan if he unaccountably fell within range, though if we end up going some combination of CB and DT early, I think Beane should add at WR either with the remaining second rounder, or a third rounder that he'd have to finagle. Kyle Williams would be my target. I don't think he makes it to day 3.

Agree with all but golden.  I’d give up a day 3 for him….but I don’t think Beane would. 

I’m all about Kyle Williams-  round 2?  Trade down from 62?  Trade up into rd 3?  Idk if he’s gonna be around in rd 4.  Give me Grant (most likely Harmon), Amos (more realistically Porter), Swinson (or Landon Jackson), Kyle Williams (or Thornton) and call it a draft. 

Edited 20 hours ago by NewEra

[Governor]

6 hours ago, DJB said:

I don’t think we move up in the first I think we stand pat. I think we use those middle to late extra picks to move up in round 2 or move up into round 3. 
 

Quality > quantity always 

He definitely isn’t trading far up in the 1st for a DT. That would be the end of him.

[Snappysnackcakes]

1 hour ago, sven233 said:

 

And I actually agree with this in theory.  My issue is that I don't see this as a very star heavy draft.  I think there are a few of them, but I am not sure I see enough major impact players that will make it into the middle of the round.  I actually think there is a good chance you get the same player in terms of quality at 30 as you would at say 18 or 19.  Just not sure it is worth all you will have to give up to get there.  In other drafts, sure.....but I just don't see this one as a heavy star-laden draft.  But that's just me.  If Beane sees a guy in the late teens that he truly believes is one of the top players in the draft then, by all means, go get him.  As I sit here today, I just don't know who that guy is that will be worth using a 2nd rounder plus probably another pick to go up and get.  Now, if you want to move up a few spots by giving up a 4th or 5th, fine.....  But I am not eager to part with a 2nd for 10 spots or so in this draft.

And pray. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

48 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Agreed- but I wouldn’t mind trading a 4th to move up for Grant if he gets into the mid 20’s.  Definitely wouldn’t want to trade a 2nd to move up.  Ideally I’d love to pick 4-5 times in the first 3 but I really see Grant as the ideal pick for us and would pay 1-2 day 3 picks to make it happen.  

But you aren’t going to be able to get the top tier guys.  They are top 10 picks and there are really only 3-5 of them (imo).  Are we going to land Hunter, Carter, Graham or Jeanty?  No.  So you’re going to get a 2nd 3rd tier guy whether you pick in the teens or at 30.  That’s the contending argument.  

That's what the popular guys on TV say. And gets repeated by the masses as nauseum. You know guys like Mel Kiper that literally  said if Jimmy Clausen didn't become a franchise QB he would quit.

 

Each board is vastly different. And even then it's not a consensus. The Bills may have 5 guys rated top notch...and have it be different than the rest of the league. They could easily have a guy or two listed top that will be around at pick 10-15.

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, sven233 said:

 

And I actually agree with this in theory.  My issue is that I don't see this as a very star heavy draft.  I think there are a few of them, but I am not sure I see enough major impact players that will make it into the middle of the round.  I actually think there is a good chance you get the same player in terms of quality at 30 as you would at say 18 or 19.  Just not sure it is worth all you will have to give up to get there.  In other drafts, sure.....but I just don't see this one as a heavy star-laden draft.  But that's just me.  If Beane sees a guy in the late teens that he truly believes is one of the top players in the draft then, by all means, go get him.  As I sit here today, I just don't know who that guy is that will be worth using a 2nd rounder plus probably another pick to go up and get.  Now, if you want to move up a few spots by giving up a 4th or 5th, fine.....  But I am not eager to part with a 2nd for 10 spots or so in this draft.

I agree.  It's gotta be a guy Beane has top 10 or 12 - a possible star - and he's falling in the teens.  

 

And I agree - only if they think he's a difference.  If he's the best in a bad draft, that isn't enough.

[Turbo44]

32 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Agree with all but golden.  I’d give up a day 3 for him….but I don’t think Beane would. 

I’m all about Kyle Williams-  round 2?  Trade down from 62?  Trade up into rd 3?  Idk if he’s gonna be around in rd 4.  Give me Grant (most likely Harmon), Amos (more realistically Porter), Swinson (or Landon Jackson), Kyle Williams (or Thornton) and call it a draft. 

Agree - but I could also live with the wv cb in rd 1 (if his knee checks out) and a west type DT in rd 2. Dt is so deep west may end up as good if not better than grant. I’m also torn between Kevin Williams and Thornton jr

 

 

[Dan in Owego]

1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:

I agree.  It's gotta be a guy Beane has top 10 or 12 - a possible star - and he's falling in the teens.  

 

And I agree - only if they think he's a difference.  If he's the best in a bad draft, that isn't enough.

I agree as well thats why i think it could be Will Johnson, just so much chatter about him now in the late teens, never ran the 40 may be the issue i don't know. But as a fit and what i feel is a top 10 talent i could see us pulling the trigger.

[Turbo44]

9 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Agree - but I could also live with the wv cb in rd 1 (if his knee checks out) and a west type DT in rd 2. Dt is so deep west may end up as good if not better than grant. I’m also torn between Kevin Williams and Thornton jr

 

 

These online simulations aren’t very realistic but something like this, which I just did would be nice:

30. Revel

62. Hairston (available here but if not porter)

65. Alfred Collin’s With a trade down with nyg getting 65 and 99 and giving up our first 2nd and a 5th

99 Thornton jr

 

[GolfandBills]

6 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

I don’t see us moving on the first 3 picks as we need in no order, but DT, CB, and DE.  Now having 2 4ths, and 3 5ths is negotiable to move up to get to a 3rd.  That’s plausible.

They don’t need another DE in the first two rounds

Edited 18 hours ago by GolfandBills

[Turbo44]

15 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

They don’t need another DE in the first two rounds

From their scheduled visits and needs I’d guess;

30 revel

56 best DT (they’ll get a good one here as it’s   Very deep draft

62 bond / if his off the field stuff checks out 

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

That's what the popular guys on TV say. And gets repeated by the masses as nauseum. You know guys like Mel Kiper that literally  said if Jimmy Clausen didn't become a franchise QB he would quit.

 

Each board is vastly different. And even then it's not a consensus. The Bills may have 5 guys rated top notch...and have it be different than the rest of the league. They could easily have a guy or two listed top that will be around at pick 10-15.

Yes - it’s possible.  I guess we’ll see what happens.  My money is on a slight

move up into the mid 20’s or a trade down rather than giving up one of our 2nds

[ganesh]

On 4/3/2025 at 7:26 PM, strive_for_five_guy said:

I like the three picks in the top 60 myself, rather than giving up one to take a swing on someone in the 15-20 range in 1st round.  We have needs on the DL and Secondary, and we also could use another young guy in the WR room.  If the team REALLY loves someone, I’d trust their judgment in moving up to get the guy.  I just think standing pat in the early rounds, they can fill more needs than giving up one of those picks.

But that also means we get good players but give up on getting a great player 

[strive_for_five_guy]

10 minutes ago, ganesh said:

But that also means we get good players but give up on getting a great player 

Or it means we could get three great players instead of a whiff on a trade up.

[27yankees]

Why, DT will be there at 30!! Use 2nd rounders on another run stuffer, or CB/S tandem

[Franchiseneedsme]

Any chance they think  Dane Jackson is our cb2? He was a starter here as cb2 and plays well in zone. Maybe they don't think it as big of a need as we think. Then a trade up becomes more probable 

[BigAl2526]

I keep remembering the general comments that have been made about this draft.  There are precious few certified blue chip first round prospects in the s draft, maybe 10 or 12 at most.  Then there is a whole slew of prospects about whom pundits can't agree on relative value, only that they aren't elite and complete.  The only circumstance in which Beane should trade up 10 or more spots is if Buffalo's scouting team along with Beane agree that a player is elite with high game changing potential when nobody picking in the top 15 saw the same thing.  I think the odds of that happening are slim, but I trust Beane a great deal.  He makes mistakes, but I think overall, he's right more often than he he's wrong.