Rasul Douglas Wants to Stay in Buffalo

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In the realm of bad football decisions, I would rather see them spend the money overpaying Cook than to see it go to Douglas. He's toast. 

[Sargent Hulka]

17 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

I’d take him back at the right price..

What's the right price got to do with it? It's a roster spot; the guy was terrible last season. Bring in someone else and improve the roster.

[SoMAn]

17 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Anyone else notice that Benford says  “you know what I’m saying “ a lot … ? 

 

[White Linen]

I don't blame him.

[Logic]

Personally I think the Rasul Douglass shade has gone a bit too far.

Did his play drop off a bit last year, and did he lack the splash plays we had seen from him in the past? Yes and yes.

Was he "terrible" and not worth an NFL roster spot, as some here are saying? Not in my opinion. I certainly believe he's likely a better option than Dane Jackson.

 

Oh well. It's probably a moot point. Beane seems to be content rolling into the draft with the whole world knowing he needs a CB2 again and being forced to draft one in the first few rounds regardless of commensurate value. FUN!

[Big Turk]

Douglas was a liability last year, IMO.  

[ndirish1978]

Dane Jackson's contract doesn't guarantee him a roster spot. Might be better to sign Rasul and Dane and draft 2 rookies and just let them all duke it out for a roster spot. Rasul wasnt re-signed IMO because he overestimated his worth. If he drops his salary demands and signs for closer to min it's doable. 

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

So, out of 61 picks since 2017, 13 have started more than half of the games in a season. Out of those 13, 5 of them are from the 2017 and 2018 drafts. That means only 8 players since the 2019 draft have stared more than half of the games in a season. That's basically an average of one player per year. You can spin that one of three ways. You can say we drafted guys who weren't ready to play, you can say it's because we were already good at those positions and there was no need for a rookie to start, or it can be that McDermott will always lean on the guy with seniority for the sake of seniority over the guy just drafted. In varying instances, each of them has been true. 

 

In the real world of the modern NFL, Day 3 picks (Rounds of 4-7) of any team seldom start many games as rookies, and 37 of the Bills' draft picks between 2017 and 2024 were Day 3 picks.  Including all these picks who are highly unlikely to start at all on many teams -- or even make the teams -- makes it appear that McDermott "doesn't like to play rookies", which isn't true at all. 

 

More than half of the Bills' 24 Day 1 and Day 2 picks started at least half of the games in their rookie seasons (13 of 24).   The most NFL-ready prospects are found in rounds 1 and 2, so those are the rookies most likely to start most of their games during their first season.   The Bills had 7 first round draft picks between 2017 and 2024, and 5 of them started more than half their games.  Ed Oliver started 7 games and Kaiir Elam started 4 games as a rookie.  The Bills had only 2 second round picks, Zach Moss and James Cook, both RBs, who didn't start at least 1 game as rookies.

 

McDermott is more than willing to start rookies if they're good enough to play.

Edited 21 hours ago by SoTier

[Prospector]

21 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Let's not and say we did.

 

Load up the DL all you want. It'll help the run game. But as far as pressure, roll back the same secondary and that ball's flying out of the QB's hand lightning fast and negating the rush - as was the case all last year.

 

Another year older and Douglas may be even worse than he was last year. There's a reason why we were in no rush to re-sign him and he's still floating around right now when teams need CB's. He was abysmal last season. I think he's hit the wall.

Can he take over Hamlin's spot at Safety?

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

Dane Jackson's contract doesn't guarantee him a roster spot. Might be better to sign Rasul and Dane and draft 2 rookies and just let them all duke it out for a roster spot. Rasul wasnt re-signed IMO because he overestimated his worth. If he drops his salary demands and signs for closer to min it's doable. 

 

As I said in my post on the first page, Drafting 2 Rookies and signing Rasul would have us cutting 2 of those 3 players (or one of them plus Dane). We only keep 5.

 

If we find ourselves in a situation like 2022 where the guy we pick high (in that case, Elam) is outperformed by the guy we Drafted low (Benford) - then you're in a spot where you aren't going to cut either and you'll have to cut Douglas and Jackson.

 

We passed on re-signing Douglas for a reason. He's sitting out there while teams are in dire need for a CB for a reason. He's not worth bringing back. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

As I said in my post on the first page, Drafting 2 Rookies and signing Rasul would have us cutting 2 of those 3 players (or one of them plus Dane). We only keep 5.

 

If we find ourselves in a situation like 2022 where the guy we pick high (in that case, Elam) is outperformed by the guy we Drafted low (Benford) - then you're in a spot where you aren't going to cut either and you'll have to cut Douglas and Jackson.

 

We passed on re-signing Douglas for a reason. He's sitting out there while teams are in dire need for a CB for a reason. He's not worth bringing back. 

hey Sul! You see this? Make him eat a massive pile of crow

[thewookie1]

It depends on the money, if he’s near vet minimum with some incentives, sure. Rasul as a depth CB would be a coup for this team’s defense. He’s not a true starter at this point but he’s far better than trying to run a random young guy out there if we have multiple DB injuries. 
 

That being said I’d wait until post-draft. I’d rather bring back him than reach on a pair of CBs for its own sake. I don’t want to pass on a top tier prospect at DL because we lack depth outside

Edited 17 hours ago by thewookie1

[BillsFanForever19]

22 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

hey Sul! You see this? Make him eat a massive pile of crow

 

Yep. Rasul Douglas is def a member of TwoBillsDrive and is "seeing this"....

 

If he were to be brought back, obviously i'd want him to do well. But if the Bills thought he wasn't what his stats (or simple eye test) showed last season - he'd have been a priority re-sign. Or he'd have been a Priority Free Agent for another team. 

 

The idea that he's going to bounce back at 31 years old is against conventional wisdom. The Rasul Douglas that's out there right now is not the Rasul Douglas of 2-3 years ago. But you know the name, so f-ck conventional wisdom, "i've heard of 'em!"

[Thurman#1]

On 4/3/2025 at 8:06 AM, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

We keep 5 CB's total generally, including Taron at Nickel (Codrington was the "6th" last year, but it was just for his Return role - otherwise they'd just have 5, with Cam Lewis as a floating backup NCB/S/ST hybrid). Right now we have:

 

Christian Benford

Taron Johnson

Dane Jackson

Ja'Marcus Ingram

 

Add Douglas and a "Draft a couple CB's" - and we'd need to cut 2 from that field. Ingram's been in our system for years and they like him quite a bit as a Reserve DB and Special Teamer. So you'd most likely be looking at one of Douglas or Jackson being cut, as well as one of the Rookies. Which depending on where they were taken, might not even be an option. 

 

Douglas is simply not worth bringing back. And their actions to this point say he wasn't in the plans. To go back to him would constitute a failure in addressing the position, in my opinion. I'd honestly trust Dane Jackson before Rasul Douglas, at this point. I think the team feels the same way.

 

 

It's not clear what the Bills actions say about Douglas being in their plans.

 

You might be right. Equally, it could be a case of, "You've got our offer, Rasul, let us know if you can agree."

 

There'll be room for him if they want him, and they might. They might also go with six this year. Last year did not turn out well in terms of CB depth.

 

 

9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Yep. Rasul Douglas is def a member of TwoBillsDrive and is "seeing this"....

 

If he were to be brought back, obviously i'd want him to do well. But if the Bills thought he wasn't what his stats (or simple eye test) showed last season - he'd have been a priority re-sign. Or he'd have been a Priority Free Agent for another team. 

 

The idea that he's going to bounce back at 31 years old is against conventional wisdom. The Rasul Douglas that's out there right now is not the Rasul Douglas of 2-3 years ago. But you know the name, so f-ck conventional wisdom, "i've heard of 'em!"

 

Priority re-signs don't always sign quickly. 

 

Sometimes there is a difference in contract terms, and sometimes guys, especially old vets, don't want to have to go through the whole offseason program.

 

And yes, he didn't look as good. How much of that was from injury? We don't know.

 

He could easily be here. Or not. Time will tell.

 

 

Oh, and I'm with Logic in that I'd rather see this year's Rasul rather than Dane Jackson.

Edited 8 hours ago by Thurman#1

[Doc Brown]

18 hours ago, H2o said:

So, out of 61 picks since 2017, 13 have started more than half of the games in a season. Out of those 13, 5 of them are from the 2017 and 2018 drafts. That means only 8 players since the 2019 draft have stared more than half of the games in a season. That's basically an average of one player per year. You can spin that one of three ways. You can say we drafted guys who weren't ready to play, you can say it's because we were already good at those positions and there was no need for a rookie to start, or it can be that McDermott will always lean on the guy with seniority for the sake of seniority over the guy just drafted. In varying instances, each of them has been true. 

I think it's simpler than your three scenarios.  McDermott's going to start the players that he thinks gives them the best chance to win with the personnel he's dealt.  His job depends on it.  He easily could've started Edwards ahead of Torrence in his rookie year.  On the flip side, he easily could've handed the job to Elam his rookie year because he was a first round pick.  The evidence just isn't there that McDermott is reluctant to play rookies if he deems them ready.

[JimBob2232]

17 hours ago, Sargent Hulka said:

What's the right price got to do with it? It's a roster spot; the guy was terrible last season. Bring in someone else and improve the roster.

if he can be better than Elam - and replaces Elam on the roster for Elam’s salary….thats a win, and the floor here.  

[Niagara Dude]

On 4/2/2025 at 6:44 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

Get it done Beane

Beanne may have slightly overpaid on this contract and maybe could have been able to resign both with the same amount of cap space.  Don't get me wrong I think Benford he a very solid corner,  I just don't believe he is a lockdown elite level guy.  The guy was drafted in the 6th round for a reason, average speed (4.56 forty)and his stats look good because of McDermott's soft zones which requires smarts and being able to read the QB.  

 

The fact is he struggles as does are whole pass defence when playing against speedy receivers.  We cannot play much man to man press coverage because are corners would get torched

 

I still think Benford would make an all pro level safety because of his smarts /tackling and maybe that happens at the back end of this contract should the Bills get better quality corners with speed.

 

As for now,  just watching the whole video after signing Benford seem like class guy with high character & I only hope that he can stay healthy and avoid any further concussions because if the concussions continue like he finished last year nothing will matter

 

 

[nosejob]

On 4/2/2025 at 7:09 PM, machine gun kelly said:

I’d agree with CB3.  We have three picks in the first 2 rds.  With those picks we need a DT as a top priority, then either CB, and DE, or the reverse.  We have 2 4ths, and 3 5ths.  One of the 4ths should be a separating WR, and then whatever Beane thinks we need.  I’m very happy if we bundle up to get any higher out of these picks.  We don’t need 10 picks.  Maybe 6 or 7, but more than that would be lucky to make the team.

I would gladly trade 2026 pick 29-32 to Seattle to move from 62 to 52 and pick up 82 in the 3rd. Seattle has 2 picks in both rounds and will have 2 1sts for next year should Darnold implode. Also, if we do trade Cook, we should be able to get a 2026 2nd.

 

We could go DL  DL Porter and Thornton.  Or, if Beane goes DB 1st, we could still then go DL  DL  Thornton.   IDK  20 more days....

On 4/3/2025 at 7:54 AM, Evansfan322 said:

That and the throat clearing. His interview on Two Bills Live was hard to listen to. Love him as a player though and happy for him 

I heard most of it but didn't know who it was. Was it him who sounded....well IDK, like someone who wasn't / isn't really intelligent or articulate?  Whoever it was sounded like a 10th grade burnout.

[Captain Hindsight]

15 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

It depends on the money, if he’s near vet minimum with some incentives, sure. Rasul as a depth CB would be a coup for this team’s defense. He’s not a true starter at this point but he’s far better than trying to run a random young guy out there if we have multiple DB injuries. 
 

 

How is he far better? if he can't physically keep up with guys, he is a liability