TSW 1.0 Poll - Who should the Bills select at #30 (Poll Closed)

[JaCrispy]

6 hours ago, TOboy said:

I think Nolan is the BPA, but not a great fit beside Ed. 
 

I voted Amos as he’s a better fit. 

This is another way Oliver is holding our defense back…we could, potentially, be passing up better talent just because it doesn’t compliment Oliver’s limitations…smh

 

 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

 

I was considering Scourton as an edge fit for Washington at 29. I noticed you do not have him in the 1st round in your 2.0 Mock. Just a personal point of curiosity - where was Jihaad on your board? Would you have considered him for Buffalo at #30 had he made it? I think Edge is the greater roster need and positional value, but went Campbell based on his traits outweighing those other factors, I see him as a top-15 or top-20 OA, and I wasnt blown away at Scourton's combine, looked stiff to me. 

 

Yea I have Jihaad as a first. Was he on the poll? Might have missed him. I think I would consider him for the Bills because I think he has the potential to be elite within two years and the fact he might not be ready to go week 1 if he needs shoulder surgery wouldn't put me off. On Scourton I liked him much more than I expected on tape. He didn't work out at the Combine though. I think in terms of mocking him he is right there in that late 1 / early 2 range. I like Princely Umanmeilen a lot too. He definitely isn't going round 1 but I honestly would be willing at #30. I do have Jihaad higher than both though.

6 hours ago, FireChans said:

Draft Nolan and trade Ed

 

I mean that's a way to do it and "reset the money at the position" but it isn't the way I'd go personally.

[quincy]

Voted Amos out of the two available choices.

 

From the highlights earlier in the thread he plays both outside CB positions and he has a better chance of being a week one starter, as of now, versus Nolen.

 

You'd assume he'd be on the field at least 80% of the snaps on D, Nolen would be lucky to hit 45% on a constant basis under this regime.

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

A first round corner is winning big,. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

[nosejob]

8 hours ago, Kornfed said:

I realize he’s considered more of a 3 but they say he has room to grow. I would like to see him in our d line rotation. The guy isn’t exactly helpless vs the run. 

He is also 3 inches taller than Ed.

[Kirby Jackson]

I think Nolen is a better player and Amos a bigger need. 

[SoCal Deek]

As I’ve often said I am definitely NOT a draft expert…but looking at the websites of those that apparently are it’s hard for me to believe that the Bills cannot find THREE solid starters out of our three picks in the first 62. Both DT and CB appear to have players that slot perfectly into when we’re on the clock. And that then leaves the third pick to go get a contributor at WR, DE at yet another position of need. Don’t screw this up! 

[DJB]

Get after the QB with a DT and we could bring back Leodis Mckelvin to play corner. 
 

If you can’t pressure the QB it doesn’t matter if we have Champ Bailey back there . It won’t matter 

 

We need a dominant DT it’s far more important 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

15 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I voted Amos (I just think he is perfect for our scheme) but if Scourton was on the list..... I'd have gone for him.

 

My view on Green is if he is there at #30, you should stay away. Because he only makes it that far is the off field stuff is bad (and I have spoken to one beat reporter this week, not Bills different market who said what we know at this point is tip of the iceberg).

I know that could be the case but then again Warren Sapp and Randy Moss amongst others fell due to character concerns and turned out to be gold jacket players. 

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I know that could be the case but then again Warren Sapp and Randy Moss amongst others fell due to character concerns and turned out to be gold jacket players. 

 

You have a point, but Sapp and Moss stuff was over smoking pot. Moss had a history of being a bad teammate. It seems the Green stuff is a little different on the off-field concerns spectrum. 

 

This regime will not touch that guy. 

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

mean that's a way to do it and "reset the money at the position" but it isn't the way I'd go personally

Why?

 

how many years does Ed have left of good but not great play? He’s gonna be 28 in December. He doesn’t strike me as a guy who is gonna play til 35

[NastyNateSoldiers]

4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

You have a point, but Sapp and Moss stuff was over smoking pot. Moss had a history of being a bad teammate. It seems the Green stuff is a little different on the off-field concerns spectrum. 

 

This regime will not touch that guy. 

I agree this regime won't touch em doesn't mean he won't turn out to be a great football player

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Why?

 

how many years does Ed have left of good but not great play? He’s gonna be 28 in December. He doesn’t strike me as a guy who is gonna play til 35

 

To me it feels like we're just spinning wheels instead of improving.

 

We already did this with drafting Kincaid while we have Knox under a high-paying contract. And while I like Dalton, I can't say the move has paid off or made a marked improvement to the team.

 

Drafting an Ed clone who might be marginally better doesnt do much to move the needle for the team.

 

Put someone better NEXT to Ed since we all know that improving one spot on either of the Lines directly helps the guys next to him. JMO

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

To me it feels like we're just spinning wheels instead of improving.

 

We already did this with drafting Kincaid while we have Knox under a high-paying contract. And while I like Dalton, I can't say the move has paid off or made a marked improvement to the team.

 

Drafting an Ed clone who might be marginally better doesnt do much to move the needle for the team.

 

Put someone better NEXT to Ed since we all know that improving one spot on either of the Lines directly helps the guys next to him. JMO

I hit agree from the first sentence that I read. 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I hit agree from the first sentence that I read. 

 

The rest of it just says the same thing in more words anyways

[NastyNateSoldiers]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The rest of it just says the same thing in more words anyways

Yeah this team is lacking of difference makers at critical positions. It's time that the phrase be the best version of yourself falls into players that we can make that way not players already on there way. If there's a character concerns player that falls to us whether it's Green or someone else we need to draft them. 

38 minutes ago, DJB said:

Get after the QB with a DT and we could bring back Leodis Mckelvin to play corner. 
 

If you can’t pressure the QB it doesn’t matter if we have Champ Bailey back there . It won’t matter 

 

We need a dominant DT it’s far more important 

I agree 💯 plus there's that other reason the Bills do very well drafting and developing late round picks at the corner position take 2 corners in the 5th one of them is sure to pan out in Mcd system 

[The Jokeman]

9 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

This is another way Oliver is holding our defense back…we could, potentially, be passing up better talent just because it doesn’t compliment Oliver’s limitations…smh

 

 

We need a 1 tech not only to compliment Oliver but to help our LBs/run defense and in tow help our DE get to QBs if he's tying up multiple blockers. Which in turn helps the pass defense etc. Truth is a true NT/1 tech has been sorely needed since we traded away Dareus. 

 

That said I didn't vote for Nolen as to me he isn't the type of DT we need. Truth be told athletic run stuffing DT aren't easiest things to find but I see one that should be available when we pick and why been harping on Tyleik Williams all off season. 

Edited 23 hours ago by The Jokeman

[RyanC883]

12 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Unless something changes on this roster, they are drafting a corner in the first round. Anyone who thinks any differently are likely lying to themselves. It’s a massive need and Beane seems to leave one huge position of need for the draft every year. It’s been his MO. Convincing ourselves that he drafts BPA is just not true. Now which corner it is, who knows…but it’s going to be a corner imo and Amos fits what they look for. 

 

you are likely correct.  But, that does not mean it's who he should pick.  Although here, even though I voted for Nolen, I'd be fine with a CB since DT Grant, WR Golden, and DT Harmon are all gone.  

[MrEpsYtown]

My opinion on the defensive line discussion is that we just need good players who make an impact. I think we get a little too hung up on the 1 tech, 3 tech thing. Don't get me wrong, I do not think we should be looking for another 280 lb DT, but just get guys who penetrate and make plays. Guys like Chris Jones and Jalen Carter line up all over the place and dominate. 

 

It is similar to the WR discussion from last year about #1s and X receivers and all that....it doesn't matter, just draft impact players.

 

The bottom line is that this regime is very conservative. They draft for need high. They rotate a million defensive linemen in a way that drafting one high doesn't make a ton of sense if he is playing 20% of the snaps. I get it, the Eagles do it too. But Jalen Carter plays like 85% of the snaps on that team. Find a dude and let him play.  

 

I guess my point is that if they draft a DT high, I hope he is a dude and stays on the field. 

 

But Beane is drafting a corner because he drafts for need. Also, he just paid Benford, so he is going to look for a cheap starter to play opposite Benford for the next 4 years with that 5th year option. It's fine, but everyone knows they are drafting a corner and they need to hit on it. 

 

The reason he stinks early in the draft and does a nice job late in the draft is that later in the draft he seems to actually take BPA. There isn't much rhyme or reason to it, it's just pure BPA. That's how you wind up with guys like Shakir and Benford. I wish he would take the same approach at the top of the draft. His early drafting is deliberate and predictable. 

[FireChans]

34 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

To me it feels like we're just spinning wheels instead of improving.

 

We already did this with drafting Kincaid while we have Knox under a high-paying contract. And while I like Dalton, I can't say the move has paid off or made a marked improvement to the team.

 

Drafting an Ed clone who might be marginally better doesnt do much to move the needle for the team.

 

Put someone better NEXT to Ed since we all know that improving one spot on either of the Lines directly helps the guys next to him. JMO

Draft Nolan.

 

Trade Ed for Addison preseason. 
 

?????

 

Profit?

 

In all seriousness, I get that argument. It’s probably a more macro way of looking at the Bills or long term v short term.

 

I do wonder if trying close the gap because we “are close” all the time is going to come back to bite us though.