thenorthremembers Posted Friday at 12:59 PM Posted Friday at 12:59 PM 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: How could a nation like Britain ever compete with China? This is just cope. Consumers bear the costs of tariffs. This is settled economics. You, like anyone who supports this policy, are anti-free market and anti-American. China was poor and unindustrialized just 50 or 60 years ago. It isnt just cope. By saying consumers bear the cost of tariffs you're insinuating they are also lazy and stupid. It's pretty simple, you look at the label where it says "Made in China" you realize you're paying heavy tax on substandard goods. I am pro-America every step of the way. Which is why I want to get back to the days where we were the innovators and the leaders in manufacturing. I dont want my kids to bring up their kids in a country that is beholden to China or any other country due to trillions of dollars of debt.
Roundybout Posted Friday at 01:07 PM Posted Friday at 01:07 PM (edited) 9 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: China was poor and unindustrialized just 50 or 60 years ago. It isnt just cope. By saying consumers bear the cost of tariffs you're insinuating they are also lazy and stupid. It's pretty simple, you look at the label where it says "Made in China" you realize you're paying heavy tax on substandard goods. I am pro-America every step of the way. Which is why I want to get back to the days where we were the innovators and the leaders in manufacturing. I dont want my kids to bring up their kids in a country that is beholden to China or any other country due to trillions of dollars of debt. No, I’m saying that the extra costs to import goods is almost always passed on to the consumer. Look at what happened during the Pandemic! If you want to specifically target China, it would make more sense, but a blanket tariff on every single nation is a disaster. There is nowhere for consumers to turn. There are serious warning signs that the dollar may fall out of being the world’s reserve currency. Then what happens? Edited Friday at 01:09 PM by Roundybout
thenorthremembers Posted Friday at 01:45 PM Posted Friday at 01:45 PM 33 minutes ago, Roundybout said: No, I’m saying that the extra costs to import goods is almost always passed on to the consumer. Look at what happened during the Pandemic! If you want to specifically target China, it would make more sense, but a blanket tariff on every single nation is a disaster. There is nowhere for consumers to turn. There are serious warning signs that the dollar may fall out of being the world’s reserve currency. Then what happens? I understand what you're saying. My hope is the blanket tariffs, if there are any, end at the bargaining table before they ever reach the consumer. My point is this had to happen at some point because the US has been slowly losing its place as the world's economic leader. Sadly, it may be too late. The trade deficit and amount of money we owe other countries is astounding. All of this is way overdue.
Roundybout Posted Friday at 02:18 PM Posted Friday at 02:18 PM 33 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I understand what you're saying. My hope is the blanket tariffs, if there are any, end at the bargaining table before they ever reach the consumer. My point is this had to happen at some point because the US has been slowly losing its place as the world's economic leader. Sadly, it may be too late. The trade deficit and amount of money we owe other countries is astounding. All of this is way overdue. You know a trade deficit isn’t the same thing as a budget deficit, right? It just means we buy more than we sell. It’s natural when you’re the No. 2 manufacturing nation in the world and our citizens have stupid amounts of buying power.
thenorthremembers Posted Friday at 02:19 PM Posted Friday at 02:19 PM 30 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: A lot of people say a lot of things.
Andy1 Posted Friday at 02:20 PM Posted Friday at 02:20 PM 1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I've read some opinion pieces that suggest the tariffs are about dismantling the current global order, which now favors China more than the US, on our terms rather than theirs. What I don't get about the strategy is then why involve the rest of our trading partners in the dispute? Here's a link to one: https://blog.exitgroup.us/p/deglobalization-is-over-determined I agree with your assessment. If China is the target, it makes no sense to tariff the rest of the world too. There is no logic behind these tariffs. So then the reason for them moves to other realms. Interesting read in the link but I have no idea who the author is or what his credibility is.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted Friday at 02:21 PM Posted Friday at 02:21 PM 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: A lot of people say a lot of things. Trump has no idea what he is doing, only stupid people think he does
thenorthremembers Posted Friday at 02:25 PM Posted Friday at 02:25 PM 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: You know a trade deficit isn’t the same thing as a budget deficit, right? It just means we buy more than we sell. It’s natural when you’re the No. 2 manufacturing nation in the world and our citizens have stupid amounts of buying power. I do know that. The issue I have is both our trade deficit and our budget deficit are completely out of control. We may be the #2 manufacturer in the world, depending on which statistic you choose to use, but China is ahead of us by double. I've said it here before, and I think its basic economic fact, debt is financial slavery. We cannot continue to owe countries the amount of money we do. 4 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: Trump has no idea what he is doing, only stupid people think he does Your arrogance is showing. You think you're more intelligent than 77 million people? 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted Friday at 02:46 PM Posted Friday at 02:46 PM 21 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Your arrogance is showing. You think you're more intelligent than 77 million people? Smarter than the MAGA mob? Oh ya The people who voted for a criminal, yes
Coffeesforclosers Posted Friday at 03:12 PM Posted Friday at 03:12 PM 43 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Your arrogance is showing. You think you're more intelligent than 77 million people? More people voted for Al Gore than W. Was our system smarter than Al Gore's voters? I'll hang up and listen.
B-Man Posted Friday at 03:22 PM Posted Friday at 03:22 PM 7 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: More people voted for Al Gore than W. Was our system smarter than Al Gore's voters? I'll hang up and listen. Pick back up. The POINT is that you cannot keep claiming that all Trump supporters are idiots and fools, when there are a majority of Americans (77 million) who voted for him It is dishonest. Simple. .
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted Friday at 03:29 PM Posted Friday at 03:29 PM People need to realize it's more than just maga that voted for trump. The democrats pushed anyone who was middle, to the right. 1 1
thenorthremembers Posted Friday at 03:50 PM Posted Friday at 03:50 PM 37 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: More people voted for Al Gore than W. Was our system smarter than Al Gore's voters? I'll hang up and listen. Huh....how is this the same thing? 1 hour ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: Smarter than the MAGA mob? Oh ya The people who voted for a criminal, yes And that's the problem with your party. 1
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted Friday at 03:54 PM Posted Friday at 03:54 PM 3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Huh....how is this the same thing? And that's the problem with your party. That we don't vote for sex offenders, criminals and con men? You are an idiot
Andy1 Posted Friday at 04:13 PM Posted Friday at 04:13 PM 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: I do know that. The issue I have is both our trade deficit and our budget deficit are completely out of control. We may be the #2 manufacturer in the world, depending on which statistic you choose to use, but China is ahead of us by double. I've said it here before, and I think its basic economic fact, debt is financial slavery. We cannot continue to owe countries the amount of money we do. Your arrogance is showing. You think you're more intelligent than 77 million people? So I presume you are opposed to the extension of the Trump tax cuts which will add 5.8 trillion to the deficit. Correct?
stevestojan Posted Friday at 04:17 PM Posted Friday at 04:17 PM 2 hours ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: How can you look at the surgical precision with which Trump has worked this week and say he doesn’t have a plan? 😉😂 His plan may have included heavy doses of insider trading: “hey fellow cronies, ya know how I put tariffs on every country - regardless if humans lived there - and the market tanked over 72 hours? Well tomorrow I’m going to pause them, so BUY BUY BUY!” A plan. That’s a hoot!
stevestojan Posted Friday at 04:29 PM Posted Friday at 04:29 PM 3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: It's already started. Along with the propaganda on the news "Consumers will be the ones to pay for the Tariffs" without one mention that consumers have a choice not to buy products from China. You have to be trolling. Just avoid Chinese made goods? Do you know how impossible that will be for those who this truly impacts - the poor and lower middle class. They shop at one place as much as any - Walmart. And SIXTY percent of everything in that store it made in…. wait for it … CHINA. I assume you just want them to “toughen up” and forget that they are currently deciding between groceries (an old fashioned term according to Trump) and their car payment, and on top of that shop at local businesses that make everything (soup to nuts in the supply chain) in America. Problem with that? Those items are multiples more expensive. For example, I go to my local farmers market every weekend and this Saturday I bought a nice pen from a vendor who makes them right here. Paid $33 for it. You think the family of five who just wants to get pens for their kids’ backpacks are going to do that? No, they will go to Walmart and buy a 10 pack of whatever they can, and those will be made in China. And they will now be double the price. That’s ONE example. A pen. Now extrapolate that to every item they need to survive (or maybe thrive, but I don’t want to get greedy). Until we have pen factories - and a factory that makes every consumer good that family needs , and to scale so prices are similar to what they could get before, this does nothing but HURT the average American. But according to MAGA, “just don’t buy stuff made in China.” If that was truly the goal, the orange freak would have made sure we had at least SOME of the infrastructure in place before the tariffs. Look through your house and throw away everything made in China or that any part of the supply chain touched China. You’d shouldn’t be - but you would - surprised at the amount. Do I think “everything made in America” sounds great? I mean, I guess. But at what cost? A decade of pain for the core group that voted for Drumpf and then were left with what? A plethora of blue collar jobs that still pay multiples of what we pay China, and prices are still higher. But at least - after a decade - they have a job making pens - for $20/hr. But like you said, it’s simple, just don’t buy anything from China…. 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted Friday at 04:44 PM Posted Friday at 04:44 PM 13 minutes ago, stevestojan said: You have to be trolling. Just avoid Chinese made goods? Do you know how impossible that will be for those who this truly impacts - the poor and lower middle class. They shop at one place as much as any - Walmart. And SIXTY percent of everything in that store it made in…. wait for it … CHINA. I assume you just want them to “toughen up” and forget that they are currently deciding between groceries (an old fashioned term according to Trump) and their car payment, and on top of that shop at local businesses that make everything (soup to nuts in the supply chain) in America. Problem with that? Those items are multiples more expensive. For example, I go to my local farmers market every weekend and this Saturday I bought a nice pen from a vendor who makes them right here. Paid $33 for it. You think the family of five who just wants to get pens for their kids’ backpacks are going to do that? No, they will go to Walmart and buy a 10 pack of whatever they can, and those will be made in China. And they will now be double the price. That’s ONE example. A pen. Now extrapolate that to every item they need to survive (or maybe thrive, but I don’t want to get greedy). Until we have pen factories - and a factory that makes every consumer good that family needs , and to scale so prices are similar to what they could get before, this does nothing but HURT the average American. But according to MAGA, “just don’t buy stuff made in China.” If that was truly the goal, the orange freak would have made sure we had at least SOME of the infrastructure in place before the tariffs. Look through your house and throw away everything made in China or that any part of the supply chain touched China. You’d shouldn’t be - but you would - surprised at the amount. Do I think “everything made in America” sounds great? I mean, I guess. But at what cost? A decade of pain for the core group that voted for Drumpf and then were left with what? A plethora of blue collar jobs that still pay multiples of what we pay China, and prices are still higher. But at least - after a decade - they have a job making pens - for $20/hr. But like you said, it’s simple, just don’t buy anything from China…. Was American manufacturing sold out overnight? Why would you expect it to be fixed in the blink of an eye? So should we just not try and bring back American manufacturing?
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