Joe Ferguson forever Posted Saturday at 03:01 PM Posted Saturday at 03:01 PM (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Preposterous that they're now talking about anti-tariff people as "libs." Yes, we are classical liberals, today's libertarians. Tariffs are, at their core, an affront to freedom. Anti-tariff = pro-freedom. Period. the libertarians are pi$$ed. There used to be quite a few here (when NC was DR) but I think they went to the other board. they're clutching their copies of "Atlas Shrugged" nervously. But happy to have them on our side for the issue of tariffs. Edited Saturday at 03:02 PM by Joe Ferguson forever 1
Mikie2times Posted Saturday at 03:03 PM Posted Saturday at 03:03 PM 38 minutes ago, Roundybout said: The world has. MAGA hasn’t. That’s really what it boils down to. We will use taxes to subsidize employment in less skilled and uneducated jobs. Ironically, sounds a bit like something Bernie would do.
The Frankish Reich Posted Saturday at 03:06 PM Posted Saturday at 03:06 PM 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: the libertarians are pi$$ed. There used to be quite a few here (when NC was DR) but I think they went to the other board. they're clutching their copies of "Atlas Shrugged" nervously. But happy to have them on our side for the issue of tariffs. I agree. How a libertarian could become a Trumpie is beyond me. I assume it is all a strategic ploy. Peter Thiel and his protege JD Vance needed someone intellectually weak (Trump) in power, someone they could dazzle and control to ultimately get to their Benevolent King model of governance and a libertarian paradise. Elon hopped on right away. You know they hate tariffs privately but probably believe this is all working to destroy the current world order, leaving it open for their Benevolent Fascist to ascend. I'm not making this up. It is Curtis Yarvin and his ilk, who have become weirdly close to this whole set. They're running Trump, and he's too dumb and narcissistic to realize it. Or he doesn't care since all he's ever wanted are the trappings of power. 4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: We will use taxes to subsidize employment in less skilled and uneducated jobs. Ironically, sounds a bit like something Bernie would do. Yep. Republicans are the new socialists. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted Saturday at 03:27 PM Posted Saturday at 03:27 PM Just now, B-Man said: Pretty good! You've redeemed yourself on the sense of humor spectrum. At least until the next Babylon Bee groaner.
Pokebball Posted Saturday at 03:34 PM Posted Saturday at 03:34 PM 12 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: The last 4 years were much better than the last 2 months I would argue we were conned greater the past 4 years. Perhaps the greatest con in US history 1 1
nedboy7 Posted Saturday at 03:39 PM Posted Saturday at 03:39 PM Who needs math!!! It's woke! Trump is god! 1
The Frankish Reich Posted Saturday at 03:41 PM Posted Saturday at 03:41 PM Just now, nedboy7 said: Who needs math!!! It's woke! Trump is god! Which is exactly what they're saying - "trust Trump." Just trust his "instincts." That's what makes it a cult rather than a political movement. The only good thing is it dies with his presidency, which is why he's trying to hang on for an unconstitutional third term. And that's why it's unfair to Milei and Argentina to compare their bad hair guy to our's. Milei has a coherent economic philosophy to go with his more authoritarian impulses to enact that philosophy by any means necessary. He's always hated tariffs, as they are anathema to freedom. https://www.cato.org/blog/milei-free-trade
BillsFanNC Posted Saturday at 04:11 PM Author Posted Saturday at 04:11 PM It's the 3rd law of orangedynamics: The collective outrage volume at the outset against anything the orange menace says or does is directly proportional to the likelihood of said statement or policy being true/successful.
stevestojan Posted Saturday at 04:33 PM Posted Saturday at 04:33 PM Oh this is too good. Trump is brilliant in some aspects - campaign to those who have never in their lives taken an Econ class: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFlEuvHvdxp/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
aristocrat Posted Saturday at 04:39 PM Posted Saturday at 04:39 PM 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Preposterous that they're now talking about anti-tariff people as "libs." Yes, we are classical liberals, today's libertarians. Tariffs are, at their core, an affront to freedom. Anti-tariff = pro-freedom. Period. So other countries that have had tariffs on our goods for decades should drop those tariffs right? Like canadas 200-300 percent tariff on dairy products?
aristocrat Posted Saturday at 04:46 PM Posted Saturday at 04:46 PM 2 hours ago, Roundybout said: How many years will it take to move 130 factories and 400,000 employees to the U.S.? How expensive will it make the product? It costs 16.25 to make a pair of Jordan’s and they sell for 200. I think nike will be ok.
Roundybout Posted Saturday at 04:47 PM Posted Saturday at 04:47 PM Just now, aristocrat said: It costs 16.25 to make a pair of Jordan’s and they sell for 200. I think nike will be ok. 1) need a citation on those numbers 2) didn’t answer my question on how long it will take to onshore all those factories and people 3) LOL if you think Nike is just going to accept higher hard costs without raising prices. 1
stevestojan Posted Saturday at 04:49 PM Posted Saturday at 04:49 PM 9 minutes ago, aristocrat said: So other countries that have had tariffs on our goods for decades should drop those tariffs right? Like canadas 200-300 percent tariff on dairy products? It’s ok to admit you never took Econ 101.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted Saturday at 04:50 PM Posted Saturday at 04:50 PM 1 hour ago, Pokebball said: I would argue we were conned greater the past 4 years. Perhaps the greatest con in US history It was good for me. wasn't it good for you? never mind, I don't care Despite 2 abysmal days, the S&P is up 104% in the last 5 years. Doubling your money in 5 years is a pretty nice return.
The Frankish Reich Posted Saturday at 04:52 PM Posted Saturday at 04:52 PM 39 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: It's the 3rd law of orangedynamics: The collective outrage volume at the outset against anything the orange menace says or does is directly proportional to the likelihood of said statement or policy being true/successful. Yeah! Let's be more like the PRC!! That's the America I always dreamed of.
Mikie2times Posted Saturday at 04:54 PM Posted Saturday at 04:54 PM 4 minutes ago, Roundybout said: 1) need a citation on those numbers 2) didn’t answer my question on how long it will take to onshore all those factories and people 3) LOL if you think Nike is just going to accept higher hard costs without raising prices. Nike is going to come to the US, it's employees with join the teamsters. They will be paying 20x the labor costs. Costs will be passed to consumers. Sum of all costs past to consumers will be greater than income of jobs created.
stevestojan Posted Saturday at 04:55 PM Posted Saturday at 04:55 PM 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Yeah! Let's be more like the PRC!! That's the America I always dreamed of. With the undying loyalty to a morbidly obese conman who started off life with Daddy’s money, I was thinking more like the DPRK. But seems our resident old kook holds China as the bar he wants us to hit.
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