Bills halt contract negotiations with Cook

[mjd1001]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Well, I guess there really are people who like that awful mass-produced pizza.

Or people have different tastes.  You are not the authority on what is awful for the masses you know.  Many others on here are perfectly fine with hit, over an inconsistent, overhyped, too much cheese and toppings laden local pizza.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

3 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I have lived most of my life in WNY,

Thank goodness you got out before it was too late !

[Einstein]

33 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Or people have different tastes.  You are not the authority on what is awful for the masses you know.  Many others on here are perfectly fine with hit, over an inconsistent, overhyped, too much cheese and toppings laden local pizza.

 

That’s a good point.

Some people like eating casu-marzu (cheese with maggots).

 

Different tastes for sure.

[Augie]

4 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I have lived most of my life in WNY, and have had a lot of bad, greasy, bland sauce tasting, toppings sliding off, from local pizza sports.  I have had Pizza over my life from dozens and dozens of local places, from Depew, Cheektowaga, Williamsville, Lancaster, the city of Buffalo, Tonawandas, Lewiston, Niagara Falls and East Aurora.  Some good, some not so good.

 

When I get a pizza from Dominos it is the same each and every time, consistent....and while its not loaded with toppings, it is better than all of the 'bad' pizza's I have had from local spots.

 

Did you ever get a good pizza at any of those spots? I bet there was one in there somewhere. That’s where I’d keep going. You can’t say Dominoes is more consistent than these dozens of others places who are all over the board. It’s like flavors of anything, be it ice cream or pizza, there is something somewhere for everyone, and some people like those places or they will go away. 

 

I had an attorney as a client once. One of his sources of income was he was on a retainer with Dominoes so he could not sue them any more over accidents caused by the 30 minute delivery guarantee.  He had a pretty sweet deal, getting well paid NOT to do anything.  He was a clever guy, and it was the first (and only) time I had financed a waterfront lot to be held in someone’s IRA. 

 

 

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Edited Sunday at 08:28 PM by Augie

[Einstein's Dog]

4 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Has any other team offered a disgruntled RB a big pay day since then?   The few RBs who have gotten big second or third contracts have been the guys who have been "team players" like Barkley.

But Cook may not be disgruntled on another team.  Cook would love getting paid of course, but secondarily he might want to go to a team that will use him as a 3 down bellcow RB.   

 

At $5M for the year Cook would be great value for the acquiring team (ie Dallas).   A motivated upper tier RB that wants the big 3 down workload costing only $5M for the year.  And the acquiring team would have first crack at doing a long term deal, and if not done might be able to get a comp pick.

 

[nosejob]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

But Cook may not be disgruntled on another team.  Cook would love getting paid of course, but secondarily he might want to go to a team that will use him as a 3 down bellcow RB.   

 

At $5M for the year Cook would be great value for the acquiring team (ie Dallas).   A motivated upper tier RB that wants the big 3 down workload costing only $5M for the year.  And the acquiring team would have first crack at doing a long term deal, and if not done might be able to get a comp pick.

 

There's no way he leaves and doesn't get a new deal, cmon. 3 down back just means more dropped passes.

[Steve Billieve]

Hoping back on here to read about pizza. I don't know why we collectively don't let these threads die, we were already talking about all this before.

[Stenbar]

The Bills would franchise him for at least 1 yr, and it wouldnt shock me if they did it for both years they are allowed to by the CBA. The Bills chose to only play him as mostly a 2 down back. I would bet they did that more so to extend his NFL career as oppposed to his playimg ability. He has an extremely low drop percentage, and he rarely fumbles. It would be moronic to just trade him or let him walk. It took us almost 20 years to find a RB  have the kind of running ability he does. 

[Aussie Joe]

5 hours ago, alg said:

Cook is one hangnail away from sitting out most of the season.

I don't think a lot of you get it.

We trade him before or during the draft ... or

we have a season-long headache without a cure.

Or he just shows up and plays which i think is still the likely option 
I don’t see him giving up $5m this year … it’s more money he has made so far than in his career 

2 minutes ago, Stenbar said:

The Bills would franchise him for at least 1 yr, and it wouldnt shock me if they did it for both years they are allowed to by the CBA. The Bills chose to only play him as mostly a 2 down back. I would bet they did that more so to extend his NFL career as oppposed to his playimg ability. He has an extremely low drop percentage, and he rarely fumbles. It would be moronic to just trade him or let him walk. It took us almost 20 years to find a RB  have the kind of running ability he does. 

If you are going to franchise him TWICE you may as well just pay him … the guaranteed money will probably work out less 

[Steve Billieve]

3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

as mentioned, it really is in his best interest to ball out this season. And expect they All know that

 But i can see him doing a " hey, I am not getting the ball enough or the play calls are not in my best interest " lol

Always better to move on sooner than later. I totally agree with you, but if he's gone, and it sure seems like he is, lets get something and move on with people who really want to be here.

 

Looking at the contracts we've signed, we have a lot of people who are over the moon about playing out their careers here. Let's find more of them, no sense wasting out time.

[TheBrownBear]

6 hours ago, CA OC Bills Fan said:

Overpriced? In my neighborhood a house that size that backs to a busy street and needs significant updating is easily twice that. But that's So Cal. I don't see how 1st time buyers could ever do it.

Bingo. After years of renting, we just bought an old 1950s tract home in a "working class" (aka hood) neighborhood for $520/sqft.  And I feel incredibly lucky because it was $100-$200/sqft cheaper than virtually every other home in our area.  Our house would probably be $150-225k in a place like Cheektowaga. 

[Buffalo Junction]

4 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Bingo. After years of renting, we just bought an old 1950s tract home in a "working class" (aka hood) neighborhood for $520/sqft.  And I feel incredibly lucky because it was $100-$200/sqft cheaper than virtually every other home in our area.  Our house would probably be $150-225k in a place like Cheektowaga. 

Damn. I just bought a non-updated 1962 built house in Greece NY for $127/sqft. Was a cash offer though. 

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

But Cook may not be disgruntled on another team.  Cook would love getting paid of course, but secondarily he might want to go to a team that will use him as a 3 down bellcow RB.   

 

At $5M for the year Cook would be great value for the acquiring team (ie Dallas).   A motivated upper tier RB that wants the big 3 down workload costing only $5M for the year.  And the acquiring team would have first crack at doing a long term deal, and if not done might be able to get a comp pick.

 

 

 

Who says the acquiring team would want to use him as a bellcow?

 

Has he learned to pass block yet? Has he grown from 190 pounds to where teams would want to use him as a hammer on 3rd and short?

 

$5M for Cook would indeed be a good deal but my guess is nobody would want to use him as a bell-cow.

[GunnerBill]

When did this thread turn into pizza and real estate?

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, Stenbar said:

The Bills would franchise him for at least 1 yr, and it wouldnt shock me if they did it for both years they are allowed to by the CBA. The Bills chose to only play him as mostly a 2 down back. I would bet they did that more so to extend his NFL career as oppposed to his playimg ability. He has an extremely low drop percentage, and he rarely fumbles. It would be moronic to just trade him or let him walk. It took us almost 20 years to find a RB  have the kind of running ability he does. 

 

 

Franchising him next year would be in the neighborhood of  $14.2M (Overthecap.com estimate). That's just too high, and if you were going to do that, why not just give him the $15M he wants?

 

But a second year would be $17.07M. That's nuts. No way they do that.

 

Bottom line is he's very good but at 190 pounds, you can't make him a bell-cow back without greatly increasing his injury potential or just wearing him down. And you don't want him at 3rd down back because he can't block. 

 

$15M, as he's asking for, is nuts unless you're a bell-cow and a game-wrecker. The franchise number is virtually as high.

 

 

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

When did this thread turn into pizza and real estate?

 

 

They're trying to put some weight on Cook and buy him a house here.

 

 

Edited Monday at 08:58 AM by Thurman#1

[yall]

15 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Well, I guess there really are people who like that awful mass-produced pizza.

It's ok. Not anything I'd go out of my way to get, but it's certainly passable. Like someone else said, there are plenty of worse pizza joints in WNY with sickly sweet sauce and way too thick, undercooked, doughy crust.

 

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

13 hours ago, Stenbar said:

The Bills would franchise him for at least 1 yr, and it wouldnt shock me if they did it for both years they are allowed to by the CBA. The Bills chose to only play him as mostly a 2 down back. I would bet they did that more so to extend his NFL career as oppposed to his playimg ability. He has an extremely low drop percentage, and he rarely fumbles. It would be moronic to just trade him or let him walk. It took us almost 20 years to find a RB  have the kind of running ability he does. 

20 years? I remember a string of 1st round running backs, Lesean McCoy and Fred Jackson. 
maybe you’re thinking of Josh Allen?

[Einstein's Dog]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Who says the acquiring team would want to use him as a bellcow?

 

Has he learned to pass block yet? Has he grown from 190 pounds to where teams would want to use him as a hammer on 3rd and short?

 

$5M for Cook would indeed be a good deal but my guess is nobody would want to use him as a bell-cow.

I suggest that the acquiring team would want him as a bellcow because that would be a team where Cook would have the greatest perceived value.  A team planning on using Cook in that manner would be willing to give up more to acquire him.  Also, I believe that would please and motivate Cook, you wouldn't be trading a disgruntled player.

 

Cook has improved each year - from a fumbler to great ball security, to getting tough yards.  For an ascending RB it is not a stretch to think that he could improve his pass blocking, especially since pass blocking is dependent a lot upon desire.  True, he is on the small size but he does appear to have gotten stronger each year.

 

$5M is an excellent deal for Cook for a year as it is, but it is a great deal for a team that wants a bellcow RB (which doesn't seem to be Buff).

[DrDawkinstein]

15 hours ago, Stenbar said:

The Bills would franchise him for at least 1 yr, and it wouldnt shock me if they did it for both years they are allowed to by the CBA. The Bills chose to only play him as mostly a 2 down back. I would bet they did that more so to extend his NFL career as oppposed to his playimg ability. He has an extremely low drop percentage, and he rarely fumbles. It would be moronic to just trade him or let him walk. It took us almost 20 years to find a RB  have the kind of running ability he does. 

 

The tag will be over $14M/yr. If you're going to do that for one or two years, you might as well sign him to a real, 3yr deal at that amount and keep everyone happy.

[Albany,n.y.]

21 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

I have lived most of my life in WNY, and have had a lot of bad, greasy, bland sauce tasting, toppings sliding off, from local pizza sports.  I have had Pizza over my life from dozens and dozens of local places, from Depew, Cheektowaga, Williamsville, Lancaster, the city of Buffalo, Tonawandas, Lewiston, Niagara Falls and East Aurora.  Some good, some not so good.

 

When I get a pizza from Dominos it is the same each and every time, consistent....and while its not loaded with toppings, it is better than all of the 'bad' pizza's I have had from local spots.

When I lived in Kenmore in the early 1980's I used to go to Pico's in Tonawanda & get a whole pie for the Bills road games.  I had heard of Pico's from my freshman roommate from N. Tonawanda in the early 70s.  After I moved away I went back & it was no longer Pico's.  Here's a Facebook link that is dedicated to Pico's:

https://www.facebook.com/p/Picos-Pizza-and-Subs-100064855651414/