TSW Mock 1.0 - The Eagles (Draconator) are on the clock

[HappyDays]

37 minutes ago, mannc said:

You forgot Kyle Williams, Washington State WR.  We would have to use one of our 2nd rounders for him…

 

I don't think so. The mock draft database consensus big board has him at #107 so early 4th. It only takes one team to fall in love with him of course but teams are going to have questions about his size and the low level of competition he faced, and he's still somewhat unpolished as a route runner. He is my #1 day three target since I really like his fit for our roster but 2nd is too early.

 

Edited Sunday at 04:29 PM by HappyDays

[Bag of Milk]

Kyle Williams will be long gone before the 4rth, he is much more likely to go in the second round.

 

[LEBills]

26 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't think so. The mock draft database consensus big board has him at #107 so early 4th. It only takes one team to fall in love with him of course but teams are going to have questions about his size and the low level of competition he faced, and he's still somewhat unpolished as a route runner. He is my #1 day three target since I really like his fit for our roster but 2nd is too early.

 

He is going to go day 2, probably round 2. The Chris Simms effect.

[HappyDays]

16 minutes ago, LEBills said:

He is going to go day 2, probably round 2. The Chris Simms effect.

 

Chris Simms had Dyami Brown as his #3 WR in 2021 and he ended up going a full round later than projected. I enjoy Simms' draft analysis even if it can be a bit predictable at certain positions, but I don't think his rankings actually influence how teams think about these players. I could definitely see Kyle Williams sneaking into round 3 partly because the WR draft class is so weak that teams will be willing to reach for one. I would love him with our early 4th or a trade up into the late 3rd. He fits the type of player we need but he isn't exactly a clean fit as a bona fide starter in the NFL. He could end up being like Marvin Mims who has been just a role player/specialist.

[LEBills]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Chris Simms had Dyami Brown as his #3 WR in 2021 and he ended up going a full round later than projected. I enjoy Simms' draft analysis even if it can be a bit predictable at certain positions, but I don't think his rankings actually influence how teams think about these players. I could definitely see Kyle Williams sneaking into round 3 partly because the WR draft class is so weak that teams will be willing to reach for one. I would love him with our early 4th or a trade up into the late 3rd. He fits the type of player we need but he isn't exactly a clean fit as a bona fide starter in the NFL. He could end up being like Marvin Mims who has been just a role player/specialist.

I don’t remember where Dyami was supposed to be drafted but the bigger “sleepers” Alec Pierce, Michael Wilson, Roman Wilson all were day 2 picks. I don’t think he has ever listed a WR that didn’t go by day 2 and that’s probably because whoever he knows lets him know who to look at as he puts these lists together. I’d be surprised if he is realistically available to us past our last second rounder

[mannc]

20 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Chris Simms had Dyami Brown as his #3 WR in 2021 and he ended up going a full round later than projected. I enjoy Simms' draft analysis even if it can be a bit predictable at certain positions, but I don't think his rankings actually influence how teams think about these players. I could definitely see Kyle Williams sneaking into round 3 partly because the WR draft class is so weak that teams will be willing to reach for one. I would love him with our early 4th or a trade up into the late 3rd. He fits the type of player we need but he isn't exactly a clean fit as a bona fide starter in the NFL. He could end up being like Marvin Mims who has been just a role player/specialist.

Everyone likes to hate on Simms for one or two of his misses, like Zach Wilson or Dyami Brown (who’s still turned out to be a pretty good NFL player), but his pre-draft WR rankings have been extremely good overall.  Last year, for example, his top 2 were Malik Nabers and Brian Thomas Jr, and he correctly pointed out that Marvin Harrison was overrated and lacked explosiveness, when everyone else said he was the greatest prospect ever.  He also had Justin Jefferson as his WR 1, when most had him 4th or 5th that year.  I actually think his WR rankings are better than his QB rankings.

Edited Sunday at 05:50 PM by mannc

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Everyone likes to hate on Simms for one or two of his misses, like Zach Wilson or Dyami Brown (who’s still turned out to be a pretty good NFL player), but his pre-draft WR rankings have been extremely good overall.  Last year, for example, his top 2 were Malik Nabers and Brian Thomas Jr, and he correctly pointed out that Marvin Harrison was overrated and lacked explosiveness.  He also had Justin Jefferson as his WR 1, when most had him 4th or 5th that year.  I actually think his WR rankings are better than his QB rankings.

 

I'm not hating on him. I like when draft analysts are willing to make bold takes that go against consensus. Simms may prove to be correct about Williams. I just don't think his ratings reflect how the NFL feels about these players.

[mannc]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

I'm not hating on him. I like when draft analysts are willing to make bold takes that go against consensus. Simms may prove to be correct about Williams. I just don't think his ratings reflect how the NFL feels about these players.

Not to belabor the point, but how do you know how NFL teams really feel about Kyle Williams or anyone else?  
 

Simms doesn’t do his rankings based on how the league views these prospects…he’s made that very clear, and with Williams, he said that the mock drafters have him ranked way too low, and that once NFL teams look at his tape, there’s no way he gets out of the second round.

[HappyDays]

15 minutes ago, mannc said:

Not to belabor the point, but how do you know how NFL teams really feel about Kyle Williams or anyone else?  

 

You're right I don't. All we can go off of is consensus rankings and no one has him as a top 64 or even top 75 player. Maybe Williams will go much higher than projected. Tutu Atwell was seen as a 4th rounder and instead went #57. Like I said it only takes one team to fall in love with a player. But I don't see it as more likey just because Simms ranked him high.

[3rdand12]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

You're right I don't. All we can go off of is consensus rankings and no one has him as a top 64 or even top 75 player. Maybe Williams will go much higher than projected. Tutu Atwell was seen as a 4th rounder and instead went #57. Like I said it only takes one team to fall in love with a player. But I don't see it as more likey just because Simms ranked him high.

Bills do have a lesser need , but a real need for that outside and deep route runner. And hope they resolve that in the draft. If this guy is the 4th pick then Bills have likely done well

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Bills do have a lesser need , but a real need for that outside and deep route runner. And hope they resolve that in the draft. If this guy is the 4th pick then Bills have likely done well

 

Yeah WR is a big need but it has to be specifically a WR that can get vertical, otherwise it is redundant with what we already have on the roster. Unfortunately this draft doesn't have a lot of options for that type of WR. Williams is my favorite for that type of WR in this class. I'd be willing to trade into the late 3rd to make sure we get him.

[3rdand12]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah WR is a big need but it has to be specifically a WR that can get vertical, otherwise it is redundant with what we already have on the roster. Unfortunately this draft doesn't have a lot of options for that type of WR. Williams is my favorite for that type of WR in this class. I'd be willing to trade into the late 3rd to make sure we get him.

If you like him in that fit ? Then I have to follow suit

 Bills are missing that one key role player on offense. The one you describe !

Edited Sunday at 07:01 PM by 3rdand12

[scuba guy]

For the 63 pick of the tsw draft the chiefs pick 

 

Omarr Norman Lott Tennessee dt.

 

The chiefs need to get younger on the front lines with more big ugliest.

 

Need a safety but none of valve are here

Dracunator and the eagles are on the clock 

Edited Sunday at 07:06 PM by scuba guy
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[CNYfan]

The Eagles and @Draconator are on the clock

[Draconator]

With the 64th pick in the TSW 1.0 mock draft, The Eagles select: Clay Webb - OL - Jacksonville St. 

 

The Eagles want to open up even more holes for Saquan. Clay Webb will fit right in with his strengths in run blocking. He can be an adequate pass blocker, giving Hurts enough time to find an open A.J Brown, Davante Smith, et. al. 

 

Round 3 starts, and the NY Giants and @Big Blitz are on the clock. 

[gjv]

I"m hoping Cook and the Bills can come to a reasonable contract settlement. Last thing I want to see is a holdout by Cook that goes into week nine of the season. That being said, there is a running back out of the Univ. of Cenral Florida, RJ Harvey, that I believe is an upgrade to Cook. I would like to see the Bills draft Harvey.

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't think so. The mock draft database consensus big board has him at #107 so early 4th. It only takes one team to fall in love with him of course but teams are going to have questions about his size and the low level of competition he faced, and he's still somewhat unpolished as a route runner. He is my #1 day three target since I really like his fit for our roster but 2nd is too early.

 

Seems like a rd 3 at the very latest.  Stock rising in a big way.  He’s electric.  

[Big Blitz]

With the 65th pick in the draft, the New York Giants select WR Jack Bech, TCU.  
 

Love the value here.  He can compliment Nabers well as a bigger bodied WR that will win contested catches, has good hands and can block.  
 

Most may know, his brother Tiger who played at Princeton was killed in the terrorist attack on New Year’s Day in New Orleans.   
 

 

Would love the Bills to consider him late RD 2.  
 

We can still wait on QB with how this current draft is going.  
 

The Chiefs and @scuba guy are on the clock.  

 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, LEBills said:

I don’t remember where Dyami was supposed to be drafted but the bigger “sleepers” Alec Pierce, Michael Wilson, Roman Wilson all were day 2 picks. I don’t think he has ever listed a WR that didn’t go by day 2 and that’s probably because whoever he knows lets him know who to look at as he puts these lists together. I’d be surprised if he is realistically available to us past our last second rounder

 

Dyami was supposed to be a mid to late 2nd rounder. He went late 3rd. 

 

I actually think Williams will go in a similar place to Dyami. I don't think he will be a 2nd round pick. But I do think if the Bills want him they'd have to use a 2nd round pick on him, because I don't think he will last to #109.

[Virgil]

Final round is underway.   Sorry for the delay after the Bills poll closed, but thank you all for pushing forward.