McDermott in animated discussion with Roseman?

[Einstein]

12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

What does "worst" mean in that statement? We need the whole context that you are hiding.

"What does "It is the worst play you could ever run" mean in that statement?"

Jee, it sure takes a genius to figure that one out. 

Gonna take a swing at it though... I think... perhaps... it means that its the worst play you could ever run.
 

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“You know how big an advantage it is, essentially we’re saving ourselves a turnover, whether it’s a punt or whatever. So it’s such a difference-maker at the end of the day that you’re always willing to do that for your team,” Kelce said.

 

Despite talk that the play should be outlawed, Kelce said it’s a great demonstration of what football is all about.

 

“Football is a sport that comes down to physicality, aggression, our will versus your will for a yard — I think that sums up football pretty well to me,” Kelce said. “It’s a 92 percent chance. Other teams don’t run it at the same success rate. Maybe the Eagles just happen to be really, really good at it. Is it fair to punish a team just because they’re better at it than everyone else? I don’t think that’s fair.”

Uh yeah.

No one is arguing that its not effective. 

The discussion is whether its physically an awful play. The worst there is.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

"What does "It is the worst play you could ever run" mean in that statement?"

Jee, it sure takes a genius to figure that one out. 

Gonna take a swing at it though... I think... perhaps... it means that its the worst play you could ever run.

 

What does that mean though? Worst in what way?

 

Worst because it's very physical and difficult? Sure

 

Worst because it's dangerous and players get injured often? Not at all, and that's not what Kelce meant. Which blows McD's stance out of the water.

 

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

Uh yeah.

No one is arguing that its not effective. 

The discussion is whether its physically an awful play. The worst there is.

 

 

No it isnt. That isnt the discussion at all. 

 

McD and crew arent trying to ban it because it's grueling, or physically difficult. They are saying it is unsafe. For it to be unsafe, there should be examples of injuries caused by it by now. But there arent any injuries.

 

Plenty of "safe" parts of football are also "grueling".

 

No one is arguing that it isnt grueling, or that it isnt difficult. But it has NOT been proven to be "dangerous". Especially not to the OL.

 

[TBBills Fan]

Who doesn't love a tush push?

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

What does that mean though? Worst in what way?

 

Obtuse. Just straight up obtuse.
 

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

No it isnt. That isnt the discussion at all.

The discussion *YOU* responded to, was about the grueality of the play.

Or are you arguing with so many people in this thread that you've lost track of what you're arguing?



You can have the last word. Your games arent interesting.

[GerstAusGosheim]

Howie asked him why they run the exact same sneak over the left guard time and time again and thought nobody would pick up on it when my 9yo figured it out early last season.

[DrDawkinstein]

23 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Obtuse. Just straight up obtuse.
 

The discussion *YOU* responded to, was about the grueality of the play.

Or are you arguing with so many people in this thread that you've lost track of what you're arguing?



You can have the last word. Your games arent interesting.

 

Dude are you drunk?

 

YOUR OWN quoted post in the screen shot is you jumping into the INJURY discussion, saying that the play has INJURY POTENTIAL because... Jason Kelce said it was grueling.

 

That isnt good logic. Youre smart enough to know that. But way too stubborn to admit it at this point.

 

Have a good night.

[C.Biscuit97]

19 hours ago, eball said:

Yeah, that’s not the issue. McD has addressed this, acknowledging the Bills run a “variant” of the TP and “we’re quite good at it.” The issue is safety and how long it will be before a QB is injured as a result of the way his body is angled. McD was very specific about how Josh stays more vertical, whereas Hurts lowers his head and becomes horizontal - significantly raising the risk of injury. Just because it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it won’t. 

 

 

Mahomes got hurt on a qb sneak. As a result, they choose to stop running it. It didn’t get banned from the league. It’s football. 
 

Obviously, it’s not just the Bills but it seems like sour grapes. The Eagles won the SB. Now you’re trying to ban a play that every team in the league can do but they just do it better? How about you stop them so they don’t get to 3/4 & 1. 

[eball]

38 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Mahomes got hurt on a qb sneak. As a result, they choose to stop running it. It didn’t get banned from the league. It’s football. 
 

Obviously, it’s not just the Bills but it seems like sour grapes. The Eagles won the SB. Now you’re trying to ban a play that every team in the league can do but they just do it better? How about you stop them so they don’t get to 3/4 & 1. 

 

Yeah, you pretty much just ignored everything I typed.

 

Edit:  and your “sour grapes” comment makes absolutely no sense.  What is McD “sour” over?  He didn’t lose to the Eagles, and he admitted the Bills use a form of the TP that he thinks is safer.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:40 AM by eball

[C.Biscuit97]

17 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Yeah, you pretty much just ignored everything I typed.

 

Edit:  and your “sour grapes” comment makes absolutely no sense.  What is McD “sour” over?  He didn’t lose to the Eagles, and he admitted the Bills use a form of the TP that he thinks is safer.

 

 

You are doing (or saying McDermott) hypotheticals. There are plenty of plays guys could get hurt on. Every goal line situation is a car crash. Should that get banned too?

 

and I know you get really sensitive any possible criticism of the Bills but I was talking about the league as a whole. The team that won the SB does a play that every team can do but do it better than everyone else. It needs to be banned! 

[Alphadawg7]

I think its absurd to remove the play personally...however, I would say I do think proponents of the play have a case that on FG/XP kicks, there are way more rules and such on what DL can do to gain leverage.  Feels unbalanced or hypocritical to let the offense find ways to use leverage from no carrying players when on defense they cannot use similar techniques to disrupt plays they already have a low chance to disrupt.  

 

Here is the complication I think many are missing...players pushing the pile forward happens all over the field.  If they want to make it illegal for a player to help push a fellow player who has the ball forward, then that would or should make it illegal anywhere on the field because how is a RB 8 yards up the field getting TE's, WR's, OL etc pushing him and defenders forward towards a first, TD, more yards, etc any different really?

 

So I say let the play stand...if there ends up being a spike in injuries directly related to the play, they can revisit it.  But I don't believe that has been the case thus far to where injuries are happing at a higher rate on this play than in general.  

[Bferra13]

10 hours ago, stevestojan said:

McD is way out of line here. “It’s unsafe, but I’ll let the best player my organization has ever seen do it multiple times throughout the season.”

Maybe he just thinks it is lame but can't actually say that? I stole that from Jeremy White btw, but the tush push sucks. It will be gone sooner or later.