McDermott in animated discussion with Roseman?

[OldNMBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

This is laughable by MCD.  He's arguing about player safety?? Meanwhile, zero injuries attributable to the tush push.  McD couldn't figure out how to do it against KC, so he wants it banned.  

Josh Allen Suffered 'Brand New' Injury During Bills-Chiefs AFC Championship during tush push.

[RyanC883]

Interesting article here.  Basically McD can't figure out short yardage plays despite having Allen against KC.  Another MCD Scapegoat, and one that is more detrimental to the Bills than helpful.  

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2025/4/1/24398423/sean-mcdermotts-support-of-banning-tush-push-may-bite-buffalo-bills-in-the-end?_gl=1*dcw5t8*_ga*OTQxNjE2MTAxLjE3NDM1MTg5NTc.*_ga_2M5GYNY1YS*MTc0MzUxODk1Ni4xLjEuMTc0MzUxOTAxOS42MC4wLjA.

[RyanC883]

2 minutes ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

Josh Allen Suffered 'Brand New' Injury During Bills-Chiefs AFC Championship during tush push.

 

Was it during a tush push or a sneak?  Nothing about the "tush push" itself gives someone a wrist injury.  

 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:58 PM by RyanC883

[OldNMBillsFan]

Just now, RyanC883 said:

 

Was it during a tush push or a sneak?  Nothing about the "tush push" itself gives someone a wrist injury.  

It was a Tush push, I just watched the replay

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

It was a Tush push, I just watched the replay

 

injury not due to the play, however: https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/did-the-tush-push-cause-any-injuries-nfl-data-reveals-no-players-hurt/  (NFL data reveals no players hurt during tush push).  

[stevestojan]

McD is way out of line here. “It’s unsafe, but I’ll let the best player my organization has ever seen do it multiple times throughout the season.”

[Nineforty]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

I heard on this am that after the Eagles, the Bills attempt this the most in the NFL.  why would McD want to get rid of it?  makes no sesne.

Because he believes in what he does on the committee and rightly approaches it from a league/player safety perspective first. 

 

Cant a guy have some principles these days? 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:08 PM by Nineforty

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Nineforty said:

Because he believes in what he does on the committee and rightly approaches it from a league/player safety perspective first. 

 

Cant a guy have some principles these days? 

 

That's rich....Where were those player (his own) safety concerns when he was repeatedly calling this play?  the short answer is that there is no real safety issue.

 

he's throwing in the towel, admitting like many other FOs that their D line simply cannot stop the O-line Roseman has assembled.

[DrDawkinstein]

37 minutes ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

It was a Tush push, I just watched the replay

 

It's not the "pushing of the tush" that causes the injury or more chance for an injury. This injury issue and opportunity exists among QB sneaks. If no one were behind them, the same exact thing would happen.

[Einstein]

For those doubting that tush push has greater injury potential… Jason Kelce - the originating center of the tush push - said it is a “grueling play” and hated it.

[Mr. WEO]

30 minutes ago, Einstein said:

For those doubting that tush push has greater injury potential… Jason Kelce - the originating center of the tush push - said it is a “grueling play” and hated it.

 

As DrD says above--it's another QB sneak. 

 

no doubt it's grueling--After the loss in the SB, this iron man didn't want to go through the grind any more..  he retired when he wanted to, lasting 13 years--not missing a start except in his second season, including all 12 post-season games.

 

How many guys have missed games after the tush push injury?

[DrDawkinstein]

45 minutes ago, Einstein said:

For those doubting that tush push has greater injury potential… Jason Kelce - the originating center of the tush push - said it is a “grueling play” and hated it.

 

Lots of plays are grueling. Football is grueling. Playing Interior OL is grueling.

 

Yet he didnt sustain a single injury from it.

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

injury not due to the play, however: https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/did-the-tush-push-cause-any-injuries-nfl-data-reveals-no-players-hurt/  (NFL data reveals no players hurt during tush push).  

The NFL knows how gimmicky/unappealing/rugby style the play is and that's the real reason they want it banned.  Goodell pry has some pressure from the TV networks to eliminate the play.  I don't think it's a coincidence that McDermott is the public face now of the anti push tush as the Bills benefited more from it than 30 other teams.  Lends to credibility.  It was a mistake though as McDermott's never been a great orator.

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

The NFL knows how gimmicky/unappealing/rugby style the play is and that's the real reason they want it banned.  Goodell pry has some pressure from the TV networks to eliminate the play.  I don't think it's a coincidence that McDermott is the public face now of the anti push tush as the Bills benefited more from it than 30 other teams.  Lends to credibility.  It was a mistake though as McDermott's never been a great orator.

 

Funny was just discussing this with someone at work trying to figure out why the Bills and others would be trying to ban it.  Colleague brought up same point as you" trying to eliminate rugby-style plays. " I wish they would just say that: pushing another player is not a "football" play.  Then ban tush push and that rugby running-scrum where OL pushes runners, picks people up, etc.  I'd be fine with the ban if that's the reason.  But the total lack of injuries, and having McD as the spokesperson is a bad choice for the reasons you stated.  

 

 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

10 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Funny was just discussing this with someone at work trying to figure out why the Bills and others would be trying to ban it.  Colleague brought up same point as you" trying to eliminate rugby-style plays. " I wish they would just say that: pushing another player is not a "football" play.  Then ban tush push and that rugby running-scrum where OL pushes runners, picks people up, etc.  I'd be fine with the ban if that's the reason.  But the total lack of injuries, and having McD as the spokesperson is a bad choice for the reasons you stated.  

Exaclty.  Just tell the truth and it wouldn't be as controversial.  You'll get some whiny Eagles fans but that play is an eyesore to watch.

[boco357]

Didn't Chris Jones get hurt in Super bowl on that play?

[Einstein]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Lots of plays are grueling. Football is grueling. Playing Interior OL is grueling.

 

Exactly…

 

Why is why it’s especially interesting that he would single this play out as grueling.

 

It means that this play is so grueling that it stands out to him among all the grueling plays there is.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

Exactly…

 

Why is why it’s especially interesting that he would single this play out as grueling.

 

It means that this play is so grueling that it stands out to him among all the grueling plays there is.

 

He singled it out because he was asked about it in an interview because it's a hot topic. He didnt just come up out of nowhere with an agenda to discuss the grueling nature of the tush push. He was asked what it's like and if it's as bad as it looks down there. And answered as expected.

[Einstein]

10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He singled it out because he was asked about it in an interview because it's a hot topic. He didnt just come up out of nowhere with an agenda to discuss the grueling nature of the tush push. He was asked what it's like and if it's as bad as it looks down there. And answered as expected.

"It is the WORST play you could ever run" (Kelce's words) is not just him answering a question about any old play.

He was clearly, blatantly, obviously stating that it is the most horrible play. 

You're being purposefully obtuse.

[DrDawkinstein]

11 minutes ago, Einstein said:

"It is the WORST play you could ever run" (Kelce's words) is not just him answering a question about any old play.

He was clearly, blatantly, obviously stating that it is the most horrible play. 

You're being purposefully obtuse.

 

No I'm not. 

 

Did he just say that unprompted? Because it sounds like he's answering a question about the tush push. And it sounds like you are being purposely disingenuous.

What does "worst" mean in that statement? We need the whole context that you are hiding.

 

No one is saying it's an easy play. Everyone could tell it's grueling for those IOL the first time we saw it. But it's the same as a short yardage QB sneak. Especially for the IOL.

 

There is zero evidence it is anymore dangerous than a QB sneak.

 

edit:

 

Here you go....

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jason-kelce-tush-push-sucks-for-the-center-but-is-a-difference-maker-for-the-eagles

 

“For me, as a center, it sucks,” Kelce said. “It’s a grueling play where you’re going to get as low as possible . . . if I get grass on my facemask I probably did the play pretty good, because I got as low as possible and drove forward. If you get low and drive forward, it’s really hard for the defense to stop it.”

 

But Kelce also said that he thinks the Eagles’ ability to pick up a yard in situations when other teams would punt is a massive advantage.

 

“You know how big an advantage it is, essentially we’re saving ourselves a turnover, whether it’s a punt or whatever. So it’s such a difference-maker at the end of the day that you’re always willing to do that for your team,” Kelce said.

 

Despite talk that the play should be outlawed, Kelce said it’s a great demonstration of what football is all about.

 

“Football is a sport that comes down to physicality, aggression, our will versus your will for a yard — I think that sums up football pretty well to me,” Kelce said. “It’s a 92 percent chance. Other teams don’t run it at the same success rate. Maybe the Eagles just happen to be really, really good at it. Is it fair to punish a team just because they’re better at it than everyone else? I don’t think that’s fair.”

 

 

Doesnt sound like he's campaigning for a ban that much. 🤷‍♂️

Edited 22 hours ago by DrDawkinstein