McDermott in animated discussion with Roseman?

[TheWeatherMan]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

We'd have still run sneaks. They aren't making sneaks illegal. Just the idea of the tush push.

That didn’t answer the question…at all. 

[DrDawkinstein]

He just started and Vrabel already has me agreeing more with him than McDermott...

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/mike-vrabel-honest-opinion-potentially-banning-tush-push-patriots

 

..."There's a lot of plays that you have to defend, whether that's quarterback sneaks, whether that's zone read—there's a lot of plays that are hard to defend, and I don't think that you can get rid of them every time that you have a tough time stopping it," Vrabel said in an interview with Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio. "I mean, Lamar Jackson shouldn't be able to run with the football anymore, how about making that rule? Like that's tough to defend."

 

It seems so far that the league's coaches have differing views on the proposal. Buffalo Bills coach Sean McDermott expressed his concern for player safety with the tush push, meaning he's for the ban....

[JaCrispy]

McD comes off as soft, with his unproven argument…

 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:11 AM by JaCrispy

[eball]

14 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Banning a play that everyone can do seems like whining because you aren’t good at it. Should they have banned qb sneaks because Brady was good at them? 

Yeah, that’s not the issue. McD has addressed this, acknowledging the Bills run a “variant” of the TP and “we’re quite good at it.” The issue is safety and how long it will be before a QB is injured as a result of the way his body is angled. McD was very specific about how Josh stays more vertical, whereas Hurts lowers his head and becomes horizontal - significantly raising the risk of injury. Just because it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it won’t. 

 

 

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

McD comes off as soft, with his unproven argument…

 

 

Really not the best look. He says it’s about safety, but then says the jury is still out on that. Then says all he does is in the best interest of player safety but follows with we would still run it if it’s legal. Not sure why he approached it this way. 

[Doc Brown]

10 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Room for thought: If the tush push was illegal would we have beat the Chiefs? 

Would we have gotten to that game?

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

Really not the best look. He says it’s about safety, but then says the jury is still out on that. Then says all he does is in the best interest of player safety but follows with we would still run it if it’s legal. Not sure why he approached it this way. 

They pry thought he'd be a good spokesman in the case against it since we were the 2nd best team in the NFL to utilize the rule.  It's a lot less self serving if it were to come from a rival of the Eagles.  I can see how the play can become more dangerous with defenses maybe trying to time the snap and leaping over piles.  If a guy gets paralyzed jumping over the center (or a prominent QB sustains a significant injury with the defender doing the jumping) then the NFL would be accused of lack of foresight.  That's all theoretical though and doesn't yet hold water. 

 

I personally hate the play and want it banned.  It's an eye sore.  This is one instance where maybe they just should tell the truth.  It looks terrible on TV and networks/streaming services are a large part of our revenue.

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

McD comes off as soft, with his unproven argument…

 

 

I'm just happy he didn't do a 9/11 comparison.

Edited yesterday at 05:48 AM by Doc Brown

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

That didn’t answer the question…at all. 

 

I thought implicit in my answer was the Chiefs stopped one kind of QB sneak, there is no reason to expect they wouldn't have stopped another.

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

McDermott is just bitter his team can’t figure how to run the play with a beast at QB. 

They had nearly the same success rate as the Eagles last year.  Philly were 39 of 48 (81.3% success rate) and Bills were 29 or 36 (80.6% success rate).  I expect the following counter argument to be they couldn't consistently do it in the playoffs against the Chiefs when it mattered the most.

[eball]

7 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

McDermott is just bitter his team can’t figure how to run the play with a beast at QB. 

Rarely is one post so completely and succinctly wrong. Well done, you. 
 

[TheWeatherMan]

37 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I thought implicit in my answer was the Chiefs stopped one kind of QB sneak, there is no reason to expect they wouldn't have stopped another.

The chiefs stopped one kind of pass play therefore there is no reason to expect they wouldn’t have stopped another…your logic.

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Would we have gotten to that game?

Fair question

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

The chiefs stopped one kind of pass play therefore there is no reason to expect they wouldn’t have stopped another…your logic.

Fair question

 

There is significantly more variation between different pass plays and versions of the Quarterback sneak. The gaps that the Quarterback is looking for to make the line to gain are the same gaps and KC had blocked them up. I see no reason why they wouldn't have stopped a conventional sneak.

[Tenhigh]

9 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

They were probably arguing over that goofy hat with the flat brim McDermott was wearing.

 

Does he have an N'Sync tribute album coming out or something?

Who told him that it was ok to wear out of the house?  I totally get it if he is in his room in front of the mirror, trying the hat on with his lime green Connor McGregor t-shirt and cutoff jean shorts, cranking his Jump Around cassette on the tape deck.   But not out in public, Sean!

[Mr. WEO]

I heard on this am that after the Eagles, the Bills attempt this the most in the NFL.  why would McD want to get rid of it?  makes no sesne.

[The Jokeman]

22 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Weird. WTH could this have been about.  Eagles clearly want to keep it, im very much assuming we do as well???  I cant see how this topic would get heated

McDermott mentioned in his press conference he's all for running a version of it as long as player safety involved, it doesn't shock me as he seems like a players guy first, whereas front office guys don't care as much. 

[boater]

McDermott's thought: I think it is unsafe and should be illegal.

 

McDermott actions: As long as it it legal, I will use every tool in my toolbox to win.

 

A classic case of cognitive dissonance. "The psychological term for holding conflicting thoughts, ideas, or beliefs is cognitive dissonance. "

[Pete]

What is Seans problem with the Tush Push?  Pick your battles Sean.  Your stance is loopy

[henry jones]

Sooo.... For safety, McDermott's answer on short yardage situations would be to have RB run full steam, head on, into a D-Line running full steam ?  Yeah, no injury potential there.  I hate the tush push too, but what would the injury concern be?  A broken pinky?

Edited yesterday at 02:28 PM by henry jones
bc

[OldNMBillsFan]

15 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

McDermott is just bitter his team can’t figure how to run the play with a beast at QB. 

If I remember correctly, Josh badly hurt his wrist on his throwing hand during a tush push in second Quarter in the AFCCG against the Chiefs.

[RyanC883]

This is laughable by MCD.  He's arguing about player safety?? Meanwhile, zero injuries attributable to the tush push.  McD couldn't figure out how to do it against KC, so he wants it banned.  

Edited yesterday at 02:52 PM by RyanC883