Benford Extended 4 Years - 76 million

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

To play devil's advocate, Joe Burrow has elite pre-snap processing skills and is an incredibly accurate passer. He is the most Brady-like of any young QB in the league. This year, he had almost 5,000 yards passing this year with 43 TD passes. Those are elite numbers and he led the league in both of them. Everyone on this board was praying that they didn't sneak in as the seven seed because we were so afraid of playing Burrow. Their offense is elite and they would have made the SB if they had any type of a defense. 

I didn't care if we saw them.. I thoroughly believe we would have spanked them 

 

He threw 652 times and didn't even crack 5,000 yards lol Peyton Manning threw 659 times and through 5,400 

 

That's the difference between a first-ballad Hall of famer and Joe b..  who is going to have statistics because he's a modern quarterback

 

But he's got a long way to reach before he's Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.. by the way if you're going to talk about pre-snap processing skills it's Peyton Manning all day 

 

Peyton Manning was better than Tom Brady pre snap Tom Brady was better post snap... And burrow has a long way to go before he's Peyton or Tom ... Who got to play in the NFL where you could even get killed 

 

And I'm not saying Joe b is bad.. he's a really really good QB  in the mold of  the old school quarterback 

 

But he has missed significant time in two seasons... And durability doesn't get better with age..  Josh might get dinged up.. but every single NFL player is.. and Josh is currently the NFL iron Man at quarterback

[Boatdrinks]

14 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

To play devil's advocate, Joe Burrow has elite pre-snap processing skills and is an incredibly accurate passer. He is the most Brady-like of any young QB in the league. This year, he had almost 5,000 yards passing this year with 43 TD passes. Those are elite numbers and he led the league in both of them. Everyone on this board was praying that they didn't sneak in as the seven seed because we were so afraid of playing Burrow. Their offense is elite and they would have made the SB if they had any type of a defense. 

My concern with the Bengals would be trying to cover their two top wideouts, more than facing Burrow. 

[Doc Brown]

16 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

To play devil's advocate, Joe Burrow has elite pre-snap processing skills and is an incredibly accurate passer. He is the most Brady-like of any young QB in the league. This year, he had almost 5,000 yards passing this year with 43 TD passes. Those are elite numbers and he led the league in both of them. Everyone on this board was praying that they didn't sneak in as the seven seed because we were so afraid of playing Burrow. Their offense is elite and they would have made the SB if they had any type of a defense. 

Yeah.  It's almost like having a competent GM and HC matters even though they have an elite QB.

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Most of what he said is nonsense.  We just locked in a top 10 CB (age 24) and a top 20 DE (age 24) for below market value.  Those two contracts will look like highway robbery three years from now.  The common main criticism of Beane is that we lack truly elite difference makers come playoff time.  Beane's like the Pete Rose of the NFL draft.  Lots of singles and doubles but very few home runs.  Benford was pry his best draft pick besides Allen.

 

However, the one big missed opportunity this off-season was not trading for DK Metcalf imo.  He's the only elite player (imo) at a premium position in his prime that the Bills could've easily obtained (2nd and a 5th?) and signed for $30m.  We obviously weren't getting Garrett or Crosby as they just wanted to stay where they were with fat new contracts.  It worked.  I like the Bosa signing because given his injury concerns it's only a one year deal and it's the best option we had on the free agency market.  Metcalf is a true #1 freakish athletic WR in his prime that can beat you at all levels of the field and would open up the rest of the offense.  I really wish we could've seen Josh throw to someone like him.

PFF has him a the #6 CB in 2024 in both wins above replacement and overall grade (79.3).  He should've made the Pro Bowl but he's not a big name given he was picked in the 6th round.

All good points. I’m just asking who are these players? How are you acquiring them? Metcalf perhaps would be considered an impact player with Allen, but he was good not great in Seattle. Pitt has a more valuable 2nd round pick. So what a 1st and a $30M contract?
Not getting Benford signed would seem a regression as you note. He’s a top 5 10 corner and impacts every game. The top DE’s in FA got locked up. Bills don’t sign Groot, Bernard, Shakir ? How are they better? BB has missed on some key picks absolutely but hit on many others. The Bills have drafted very late for years. BB is a top 5 GM. Is it enough to get the Bills a SB ? We shall see. I’m waiting for an explanation of what this off season he should have done differently 🤷🏻‍♂️

Edited Sunday at 03:09 AM by QLBillsFan

[Buffalo716]

@Mikie2times if you're going to just hit a disagree button on the internet how about you be a man and say what you disagree about

 

You disagree that Joe b has missed significant time in two seasons? You disagree that Joe B, threw a lot less yards with only seven more attempts then Peyton Manning in his record season?

 

You disagree that Peyton Manning was better than Tom Brady presnap? You disagree that Josh Allen is the NFL iron Man at quarterback? 

 

Come on bro don't hide behind a disagree button.. what do you disagree with

Edited Sunday at 03:08 AM by Buffalo716

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

All good points. I’m just asking who are these players? How are you acquiring them? Metcalf perhaps would be considered an impact player with Allen, but he was good not great in Seattle. Pitt has a more valuable 2nd round pick. So what a 1st and a $30M contract?
Not getting Benford signed would seem a regression as you note. He’s a top 5 10 corner and impacts every game. The top DE’s in FA got locked up. Bills don’t sign Groot, Bernard, Shakir ? How are they better? BB has missed on some key picks absolutely but hit on many others. The Bills have started very late for years. 

It's why you have to hit in the draft and sometimes be aggressive.  If we traded up for Brian Thomas Jr. last year fans wouldn't even entertain the thought of trading and paying for a DK Metcalf.  We still could've re-signed all those guys and acquired/paid Metcalf with some cap gymnastics.

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

@Mikie2times if you're going to just hit a disagree button on the internet how about you be a man and say what you disagree about

 

You disagree that Joe b has missed significant time in two seasons? You disagree that Joe B, threw a lot less yards with only seven more attempts then Peyton Manning in his record season?

 

You disagree that Peyton Manning was better than Tom Brady presnap? You disagree that Josh Allen is the NFL iron Man at quarterback? 

 

Come on bro don't hide behind a disagree button.. what do you disagree with

I disagree with most your takes. But this one specifically, your first sentence is how far I made it. 

 

Burrow is 17 of 17, just under 200 yards, 3 TD passes, across three opening drives va us. McD has zero clue how to do anything against him. So maybe we could score at will, but so could they. 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I disagree with most your takes. But this one specifically, your first sentence is how far I made it. 

 

Burrow is 17 of 17, just under 200 yards, 3 TD passes, across three opening drives va us. McD has zero clue how to do anything against him. So maybe we could score at will, but so could they. 

Ooo you're just taking one game where Joe b played really good against us lol

 

So I guess he's Jesus Christ thank you

 

I never need to read another post from you again

 

Joe B played unreal for one game versus us and now he's unstoppable till the end of time.. that's all I need to know

 

I will now never read another post from you lol I now know where your head is in regards to McDermott and the bills

Edited Sunday at 03:15 AM by Buffalo716

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Ooo you're just taking one game where Joe b played really good against us lol

 

So I guess he's Jesus Christ thank you

 

I never need to read another post from you again

 

Joe B played unreal for one game versus us and now he's unstoppable till the end of time.. that's all I need to know

 

I will now never read another post from you

In three opening drives. Which means three separate games. The playoff game, the Hamlin game, and the following year. We have never beat the  Bengals, Burrow is stone cold, and they would have done whatever they wanted vs our paper defense last year. We might have won on account of that horrible defense they have. But who knows. As another poster called out, he’s the most surgical in the NFL. So McD’s style of baiting him into a mistake over 10-14 play drives doesn’t work. You will see it again this year I’m sure. 

[jayg]

I've heard of him

[FormerLV-BILLS]

39 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

In three opening drives. Which means three separate games. The playoff game, the Hamlin game, and the following year. We have never beat the  Bengals, Burrow is stone cold, and they would have done whatever they wanted vs our paper defense last year. We might have won on account of that horrible defense they have. But who knows. As another poster called out, he’s the most surgical in the NFL. So McD’s style of baiting him into a mistake over 10-14 play drives doesn’t work. You will see it again this year I’m sure. 

This is absolute fact.

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, FormerLV-BILLS said:

This is absolute fact.

I'm the one who posted what he's responding to and I don't even agree with it. I was playing devil's advocate. People don't seem to know what that means. The Bengals SUCK without Jesse Bates, DJ Reader and Joe Mixon. They just spent a lot of money to run it back with a non-playoff team. 

[QLBillsFan]

53 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It's why you have to hit in the draft and sometimes be aggressive.  If we traded up for Brian Thomas Jr. last year fans wouldn't even entertain the thought of trading and paying for a DK Metcalf.  We still could've re-signed all those guys and acquired/paid Metcalf with some cap gymnastics.

All good. We are pretty much on the same page overall 👍

[Mikie2times]

45 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I'm the one who posted what he's responding to and I don't even agree with it. I was playing devil's advocate. People don't seem to know what that means. The Bengals SUCK without Jesse Bates, DJ Reader and Joe Mixon. They just spent a lot of money to run it back with a non-playoff team. 

They will do whatever they want offensively this year when they play us.

 

They aren't the same team as the ones who destroyed us, but anybody that can match you point for point is dangerous. We won't slow Burrow down even a little. McD has no clue how to defend a guy like him. 

Edited Sunday at 04:47 AM by Mikie2times

[BullBuchanan]

3 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

Again you state your disagreement with BB and his approach. What impact players were you going to add. Open to examples 🤷🏻‍♂️

Hufanga, Holland, Milton Williams, Metcalf and even Reddick would have represented the potential for elite play at positions of dire need and they were all available. I'm sure there are other trades that were possible that didn't materialize as well.

I understand the reluctance to be critical of Beane's approach because all the players he re-signed are very good football players. It's hard to look at a team with a lot of good players on it and think it's a poorly constructed roster. I hope the board is right that building a team with an old school Steelers-esque approach of having a very solid roster will net you enough kicks at the can that eventually you win one. I just don't like the odds of that approach based on the teams we'll have to get through.

4 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

So you want this team “all-in” this season only, at the expense of all future seasons, huh?  How long before everyone in the locker room is pissed off and doesn’t give a crap about this season altogether, because they’ve got management that doesn’t give a crap about them?  How does that play out for you?

No. I want them to do whatever they have to do every season to have the best possible shot. Instead, Beane is sacrificing this season, just as he did last year, so that he can protect future seasons.

[Warriorspikes51]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Hufanga, Holland, Milton Williams, Metcalf and even Reddick would have represented the potential for elite play at positions of dire need and they were all available. I'm sure there are other trades that were possible that didn't materialize as well.

I understand the reluctance to be critical of Beane's approach because all the players he re-signed are very good football players. It's hard to look at a team with a lot of good players on it and think it's a poorly constructed roster. I hope the board is right that building a team with an old school Steelers-esque approach of having a very solid roster will net you enough kicks at the can that eventually you win one. I just don't like the odds of that approach based on the teams we'll have to get through.

 

I do agree that this team really needed to add 2 elite players. It appears unlikely to happen unfortunately.  Unless there is a surprise trade around the draft or we grab a DT who is playing like the DROY from the start that could lift the entire defense.  

[BullBuchanan]

4 hours ago, RochesterLifer said:

LOL, I’m sure everyone who “follows” you is familiar with your plan. To me, you appear to simply be a complainer.

 

FYI, naysaying is not a plan.

Yes, I'm complaining. Is there another option if you disagree with the approach our front office has taken?

How many Super Bowls do we have over the last 5 years? How many times have we been?

 

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

I do agree that this team really needed to add 2 elite players. It appears unlikely to happen unfortunately.  Unless there is a surprise trade around the draft or we grab a DT who is playing like the DROY from the start that could lift the entire defense.  

For me, the hope is all in the hands of rookies and guys who were disappointments last year like Carter, Bishop, Coleman, Kincaid, etc.

I'll be making up scenarios for these guys to become all-pros like I used to in the drought years.

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Yes, I'm complaining. Is there another option if you disagree with the approach our front office has taken?

How many Super Bowls do we have over the last 5 years? How many times have we been?

 

So the money that Beane just threw Benford’s way, are there free agents on the market you would have thrown it to instead?  If so, what do those deals look like (dollars, years, etc.)?  If you have a problem with Beane throwing the money the way of a top ten CB that is on the roster, you must surely have better ideas then.

[BullBuchanan]

4 hours ago, ngbills said:

Is Benford this good? When has paying a DB worked out for us?

I don't like ever paying a CB big money, because you need at least 4 of them.if you have a star ona  rookie deal, you can go out and get a premier guy and then fill the bottom of your depth chart with C-tier guys and you can probably still have an elite defense.

You go out and pay Benford $20M and now you have Ingram as your #2 battling it out with a rookie. Even if you get decent CB play, there's still 2 more receiving threats open on any given play. I'd rather have solid Cb play and an elite man up front or on the back end.

2 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

So the money that Beane just threw Benford’s way, are there free agents on the market you would have thrown it to instead?  If so, what do those deals look like (dollars, years, etc.)?  If you have a problem with Beane throwing the money the way of a top ten CB that is on the roster, you must surely have better ideas then.

Yes, I would have signed any of the players listed above to the deals they received and kept Benford on his rookie deal for another year.

[SoonerBillsFan]

I have never seen so many fans upset over a dang good contract. In fact, so many seemingly pissed our GM kept core parts of a team that just played in the AFCCG.