Being a top 3 team in scoring. Does it matter how we do it?

[BillsShredder83]

On 3/28/2025 at 8:05 PM, PrimeTime101 said:

So last year scoring, the Lions, Bill and Ravens were top 3. 

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-top-scoring-teams-2024

 

Did it feel hard to score for us last year to you guys? We basically did it without a field stretcher. How will it feel to you all if we did it again, TOP 3. Without a true viable field stretcher on the team? How do we continue moving forward with THIS team on offense with the WR/HB/TE combination we have on the team now, or do we still need a EDGE WR to stretch this field this year?

 

Just a question to you folks. This may of been covered in other topics... just wanted to read more direct answers to this topic.

 

Thanks. 

Regular season matters very little.  If we crush it, great, do it in the playoffs.... if the offense has a chance to win it, and theyre struggling to consistently move the chains in the playoffs, do I care they put up 30ppg?  No.  Thats exactly what happened vs Chiefs this year.

 

We def did not make moving the chains look easy.  Too many 3rd and long.  Too many times where extending a drive 1 series wouldve put up at least 3, changed field position, or given our defense a little more time to catch their breath.  It did look hard at times, and its because we arent a fully balanced team.

 

Crowd the line, crowd the middle, give minimal attention outside the hashes because nobody will make you pay there.  Were so close.  Really wish we'd addressed WR1 last draft.  Hoping Keon comes around, but his ceiling feels like a real nice WR2.  I just want one top 15 outside WR's.  Bet Josh does too

[Chandler#81]

On 3/30/2025 at 8:35 PM, Maine-iac said:

Last years success, of all the years you could pick, had the least amount to do with Josh being Superman.  It might be the one year where he actually sat back and watched the running game take over.  There were games where his only job was to make the right read and get the ball out on time instead of forcing it down field to Gabe or Diggs.  He could make easier throws to guys who make a higher percentage of catches and are better at YAC.  If anything last years success is more likely to be reproduced and all Josh has to do is continue to make good decisions.  Hell the current offense would love nothing more than for teams to sit back in cover 2 that's what it's designed to beat.   KC has a great DC they are always going to play teams tough. We called a bad protection and Kincaid dropped one.   That's all it takes in the playoffs.  Just ask Lamar and Andrews.

How do you type? Speak to type? Obviously you can’t see. Josh Allen won the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER in the NFL!  Only “Supermen” win 

MOST VALUABLE PLAYER.

 

[Maine-iac]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

How do you type? Speak to type? Obviously you can’t see. Josh Allen won the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER in the NFL!  Only “Supermen” win 

MOST VALUABLE PLAYER.

 

Please, in reference to what I was saying, tell me what the hell your point is?  Are you saying Josh can't replicate last season?  Did you just jump in with a hot take without reading for context?  I clearly never said Josh can't be Superman.  I simply said if ever there was a season he had to do it less it was last year and there's no reason he can't play at last years level again.  I guess you also disagree with that?

[FireChans]

17 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Please, in reference to what I was saying, tell me what the hell your point is?  Are you saying Josh can't replicate last season?  Did you just jump in with a hot take without reading for context?  I clearly never said Josh can't be Superman.  I simply said if ever there was a season he had to do it less it was last year and there's no reason he can't play at last years level again.  I guess you also disagree with that?

Josh had his worst receiving core since 2018 last year. Not sure him having to be Superman less than last year is the correct take.

 

Did he play somewhat smarter and safer? yes.

 

Did he benefit from having a good OL and a good running game? yes.

 

Were nearly all of our explosive plays off-script crazy scrambles that only he made with regularity last year? also yes.

[Chandler#81]

3 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

Please, in reference to what I was saying, tell me what the hell your point is?  Are you saying Josh can't replicate last season?  Did you just jump in with a hot take without reading for context?  I clearly never said Josh can't be Superman.  I simply said if ever there was a season he had to do it less it was last year and there's no reason he can't play at last years level again.  I guess you also disagree with that?

🤦‍♂️ Now you’re just being ridiculous. I’ll try this again, but just once more. From Opening week vs the Cardinals to vs the Jets to vs the Chiefs to vs the 49ers to @ Detroit to the Broncos, Ravens & Chiefs in the playoffs, the Bills wouldn’t have won WITHOUT  Allen being Superman and thusly the Most Valuable Player.

Son, you have no context.

[TwoFlocksofFury]

On 3/28/2025 at 8:53 PM, Success said:

Allen can score w/ anyone.  We DO NOT need to worry much about offense. I'd be happy w/ a receiver in the early rounds, but it's not dire.

 

Defense, defense, defense.  We lose in the playoffs because or our DEFENSE.  It drives me bananas.

 

We need to focus there - both personnel, and scheme. 

 

Who the F would 'thumbs down' this?

[Maine-iac]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

🤦‍♂️ Now you’re just being ridiculous. I’ll try this again, but just once more. From Opening week vs the Cardinals to vs the Jets to vs the Chiefs to vs the 49ers to @ Detroit to the Broncos, Ravens & Chiefs in the playoffs, the Bills wouldn’t have won WITHOUT  Allen being Superman and thusly the Most Valuable Player.

Son, you have no context.

Still missing the point but I'll leave it at that.

 

9 hours ago, FireChans said:

Josh had his worst receiving core since 2018 last year. Not sure him having to be Superman less than last year is the correct take.

 

Did he play somewhat smarter and safer? yes.

 

Did he benefit from having a good OL and a good running game? yes.

 

Were nearly all of our explosive plays off-script crazy scrambles that only he made with regularity last year? also yes.

AT least you get what I'm saying.  Even if you don't agree which is fine.  Different opinions make good conversation.  All of the things you list.  Playing smarter, better O-line, less throwing, more running all just speak to what I've been saying.  I'll repeat I'm not saying Josh can't be superman or that we don't need him to do it to win in certain games.  I'm saying he did it less.  Less overall running for Josh, getting the ball out quicker, staying on schedule.  It's going to be a necessity to keep Josh playing into his 30's without getting injured.  Having a running game that can take over for large parts of games means less wear and tear and means not every splash play has to be a passing play.  I think it makes it more likely he can repeat what he did last year rather than less likely, which was my original take on someones comment.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 3/31/2025 at 7:47 PM, BillsShredder83 said:

Regular season matters very little.  If we crush it, great, do it in the playoffs.... if the offense has a chance to win it, and theyre struggling to consistently move the chains in the playoffs, do I care they put up 30ppg?  No.  Thats exactly what happened vs Chiefs this year.

 

We def did not make moving the chains look easy.  Too many 3rd and long.  Too many times where extending a drive 1 series wouldve put up at least 3, changed field position, or given our defense a little more time to catch their breath.  It did look hard at times, and its because we arent a fully balanced team.

 

Crowd the line, crowd the middle, give minimal attention outside the hashes because nobody will make you pay there.  Were so close.  Really wish we'd addressed WR1 last draft.  Hoping Keon comes around, but his ceiling feels like a real nice WR2.  I just want one top 15 outside WR's.  Bet Josh does too

 

I do think that they needed more from playmakers to get further.  The goal of having one of these guys like a chase, or a kelce - in the biggest games of the year they tend to get it done.  I know kelce didn't this past year, but I'd still say during their run he's one of the biggest reasons they are as successful as they have been.  

 

When you gotta have it - it's nice to have a guy like that.  

 

Going into this season?

• There's hope Keon can be that guy, and I think there's a hungry young player there ready to break out - but does he have physical limitations that prevent him from ever being one of those dudes?  
• Shakir was paid as a #2 and is a slot WR with some crazy wiggle at times.  Can he become one of those short yardage WR beasts in the vein of St. Brown, who is a true game changer in the big moments?
• Palmer is likely in the same spot in buffalo he was in LA, but he's now probably in a snap rotation with Samuel.  I think he can be an upgrade over Hollins, especially against teams that spammed buffalo with tight man coverage.  
• Samuel likely is who he is - gadget type with speed, who has the size to play inside and out in a pinch.  Probably more of a matchup and gameplan specific player, but still a valuable swiss army knife, and an upgrade over harty and mckenzie from that perspective.  

[90sBills]

4 hours ago, TwoFlocksofFury said:

Who the F would 'thumbs down' this?

I get how some would disagree. If that statement is true and Allen can score with anybody then why weren’t we able to have winning drives in the last two playoff losses against KC when the offense had the ball?
 

So if you’re saying Allen can score with any receivers then that means the receiving corp was adequate and it was Allen’s fault they couldn’t score. Most of us don’t think that’s the case. They need more reliable weapons in those situations for Allen. Just from the last two years of playoff failures should tell you that Allen can’t, in fact, score with anybody with the season on the line. 

[Gregg]

11 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

I get how some would disagree. If that statement is true and Allen can score with anybody then why weren’t we able to have winning drives in the last two playoff losses against KC when the offense had the ball?
 

So if you’re saying Allen can score with any receivers then that means the receiving corp was adequate and it was Allen’s fault they couldn’t score. Most of us don’t think that’s the case. They need more reliable weapons in those situations for Allen. Just from the last two years of playoff failures should tell you that Allen can’t, in fact, score with anybody with the season on the line. 

 

This falls on Beane to bring more elite level talent in to help Josh. With the exception of #17 who else at the skill positions is elite. Cook is probably the closest one to elite, but he isn't on the level of Barkley and Henry. While the Bills have some nice receivers, they have nobody that scares the opposing defense. At the same time the defense has been a big problem in the playoffs. With the exception of the Ravens game from a few years back when they had the pick 6, I can't recall a playoff game where they played well. Talent and scheme are both to blame. That falls on both Beane and McDermott.