Being a top 3 team in scoring. Does it matter how we do it?

[PrimeTime101]

On 3/28/2025 at 10:15 PM, SoonerBillsFan said:

Palmer can do something we haven't had since prime Diggs and that is separate.  We need to add one more guy who can do that and we are good on offense.

and this may be the answer I was looking for. what round or what specific player would you suggest?

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Hard to score? What games were you watching if you thought that?

 

There were a few times they needed to get revved up, but basically once they got in rhythm they scored just about every possession until the end of the game afterwards.

I think "hard" was the wrong word kind sir. I think maybe the word or words used for this is the stress put on our QB to get the same job done?

On 3/29/2025 at 8:04 AM, Chandler#81 said:

I don’t think we can effectively replicate last year’s offense. Of course, Mack is gone but we’ll be facing much more dime defense and too much of our success is based on Josh being total magic. I’d love it! But everyone has a year to study it and NE* & KC figured a lot out about it.

man did you hit the head on the nail for me. THANK YOU!

[Matt_In_NH]

From reading these boards yes!  We need to play with our wide receiver choo choos!!

[PrimeTime101]

On 3/29/2025 at 8:08 AM, GunnerBill said:

And yet when Josh has had the ball with a chance to win the in the playoffs the past two years he hasn't had that guy to make a play for him. I'm sure Bills would be top 5 or 6 in scoring next year even if they did nothing more on offense, so long as Josh is healthy. But am I sure that it will be any different in the post season in the clutch when we need a guy to step up and make a play? No.

and this is the part for me, scoring feels hard (when we need it) thanks as always for your reply Gunner

[PrimeTime101]

16 hours ago, DrPJax said:

How many lombardies did we win with our current strategies?  How many SB appearances have we made with our current offensive and defensive schemes we currently run?   I thought this regime preached how it’s all about winning a superbowl.  8 years later and teams have surpassed us despite having what I believe is a true superstar qb, who is coach able , fits the community well, has been only a positive influence since day one. It’s always preached , if you have the qb position solved , have a great qb, you have most of what’s necessary to win a SB!  Teams with poor QBs don’t win sbs.   I think that’s almost an incontrovertible fact. 
 

Score in the top three again , but we did it and didn’t even make a Super Bowl. You have to have a dominant d to win that game. It just makes it harder to not surround Josh with the best wr corp possible.  KC dies it , but they have true playmakers on d , and a future HOF guy in Kelce , so even they know it’s not about Maholmes only.    So how do we start this year?  Get two guys at a critical weal area that will miss at least a third of the season. Let a well liked good guy go to the pats and replace him with a different guy who supposedly is always ready to break out but always is buried behind other talent , and despite all potential, has never really been all that productive.  Good route runner , can supposedly separate , yet his numbers never seem very impressive. Throw another dart at a prior dominating edge guy in bosa, yet who would bet he starts and finishes more than 13 full game?     Can you honestly say our d is better and will be a force come playoff time ? Hope so , but chemistry takes time, Mcd has strange ideas concerning rookie usage and “ earning the refs” where fa’s have come in , never played , and then excelled immediately elsewhere. Just lots of red flags I still see.  Gonna have to prove to me bringing in guys missing a third or more of the season to start, relying on an aging injury prone edge, hoping a wr will finally break out , and then hoping you can repeat a top three offense and that will overcome everything else , is a big leap,of faith in belief of a coach who every year loses at least one reg season game due to poor coaching during the game , and has an abysmal playoff away record and overtime record.  
 

 

These are just facts. Refusing to just ignore things. Call me allnthe names you want , judge my being a true fan , I don’t care. Facts are facts. Truth is an inconvenient thing. Been a loyal fan since ‘63. No doubt in my mind , Allen is the best qb , probably best player in bills history ( and I cam big fan of smith, Kelly, Thomas , reed, Talley, Bennett, odomes and Leonard smith , moulds) and we haven’t sniffed a sb yet. Something is still wrong with, and maybe it’s time to decide if the HC can actually coach well in win or go home situations , and maybe it’s time to se if Beane needs a better talent evaluator to really build a COMPLETE  , successful team.  Just honest thoughts comparing this team to prior great teams who did get to the superbowl!   I would take a top 3 d over top 3 o any time. 

the answer is balance. maybe more towards top 10 total offense and top 10 defense to match?

[PrimeTime101]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

Elite players will improve our chances of winning a Super Bowl.  I don’t think the lack of elite players is the reason we lost to KC last season.  Or the year before.  Or in 2021. 

More Elite players equate to getting home on Drafts. We have to stop thinking we can rely on FA to get those Elite players all the time. 

 

Elate players with low end contracts are more important as Elite players through FA..  FA.. is what can drive a team down as much as bring it up cause of the high volume spending. 

 

I forget who said it but this team may need better talent evaluators for drafts. So we do get home.   How many players do we have that we drafted Since Beane has been here? If that answer is.. "not enough" then I feel.. that has been our problem moving forward... Both sides of the field. 

[artmalibu]

16 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Nice retort. I must have really put you in a pretzel with that last one. It really sucks when it makes so much sense and there’s nothing you can do about it. I feel it all the time.

 

Its clear by your statements that you think Bean has done a poor job.  I think he has been quite successful.  

 

I believe the offense has been good enough the last several years, and the defense has been the letdown.  I would like to see them prioritize fixing their weakness where you want them to add to their strength.  

 

 

 

 

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

 

Its clear by your statements that you think Bean has done a poor job.  I think he has been quite successful.  

 

I believe the offense has been good enough the last several years, and the defense has been the letdown.  I would like to see them prioritize fixing their weakness where you want them to add to their strength.  

 

 

 

 

I’m saying they could easily have done both.

 

They will also likely still try to do both. The Bills have 3 picks in the first two rounds. They will likely use one, maybe the first or maybe one of the seconds on an offensive player, like a WR. 
 

So again, the argument comes down to what’s a better plan? Fixing the defense and improving the offense with 3 draft picks vs fixing the defense and improving the offense with 2 draft picks and DK?

 

Obviously plan #2

[colin]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

and this may be the answer I was looking for. what round or what specific player would you suggest?

I think "hard" was the wrong word kind sir. I think maybe the word or words used for this is the stress put on our QB to get the same job done?

man did you hit the head on the nail for me. THANK YOU!

 

it seems to me our brain trust is basically banking on kinkaid, coleman, palmer, and whoever we draft to all have solid positive impacts on the team, as well as our young guys and FAs on D.  very beane/mcd esque strategy of buying a bunch of lotto tickets and hoping rather than putting all your eggs in one basket not named josh allen.  they might need to swing on some athletic freaks in the draft in the hopes we get a field stretcher, impact cb2, and some kind of monsters up front.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

and this may be the answer I was looking for. what round or what specific player would you suggest?

I think "hard" was the wrong word kind sir. I think maybe the word or words used for this is the stress put on our QB to get the same job done?

man did you hit the head on the nail for me. THANK YOU!

I think 2nd or 4th we can find a guy. Gabe Davis wa a 4th rounder.  If he could have catch more consistency then he would still be here

[Mikie2times]

8 minutes ago, colin said:

 

it seems to me our brain trust is basically banking on kinkaid, coleman, palmer, and whoever we draft to all have solid positive impacts on the team, as well as our young guys and FAs on D.  very beane/mcd esque strategy of buying a bunch of lotto tickets and hoping rather than putting all your eggs in one basket not named josh allen.  they might need to swing on some athletic freaks in the draft in the hopes we get a field stretcher, impact cb2, and some kind of monsters up front.

My biggest concern here is if we don't add a starting caliber 1-Tech AND CB, we are likely worse off than last year, where our EPA on non turnover plays was among the worst in football. DaQuan Jones really fell off last year and even if we did sign Rasul, he also appeared over matched athletically. Dane Jackson is nice for depth, but he just can't be our #2 CB. I don't see a lot of angles here for us to prioritize offensive talent. I also don't think nailing two starters is overly likely, but if I had to prioritize, I'm going 1-tech all day. Bernard would really benefit from that type of player as would our whole defense IMO. 

[colin]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

My biggest concern here is if we don't add a starting caliber 1-Tech AND CB, we are likely worse off than last year, where our EPA on non turnover plays was among the worst in football. DaQuan Jones really fell off last year and even if we did sign Rasul, he also appeared over matched athletically. Dane Jackson is nice for depth, but he just can't be our #2 CB. I don't see a lot of angles here for us to prioritize offensive talent. I also don't think nailing two starters is overly likely, but if I had to prioritize, I'm going 1-tech all day. Bernard would really benefit from that type of player as would our whole defense IMO. 

 

that's a fair concern.  i disagree on 1 tech tho.  a starting quality cb is worth so much more than a 25-50% of snaps 1 tech.  we need a 1 tech, but if he's not a guy who can be a top 10 at his position player, an average starting cb does so much more for the team.

 

bosa hoyt oliver and groot in whatever mix the put them in can be a nasty pass rush package.  if williams or bernard can make some plays on passing downs as kind of wildcard/joker types our 3rd and long pass d could be way way better, we were just about the bottom in the nfl last season.  just getting that up will lead to more punts in money games, and a starting quality cb2 gets us a long way there along w the boys we got in the trench.

[PrimeTime101]

53 minutes ago, colin said:

 

it seems to me our brain trust is basically banking on kinkaid, coleman, palmer, and whoever we draft to all have solid positive impacts on the team, as well as our young guys and FAs on D.  very beane/mcd esque strategy of buying a bunch of lotto tickets and hoping rather than putting all your eggs in one basket not named josh allen.  they might need to swing on some athletic freaks in the draft in the hopes we get a field stretcher, impact cb2, and some kind of monsters up front.

I think they swing at feild stretcher in our third pick while our first 2 has to be DL/EDGE (Cause we need to get home more and another of our first 2 picks replaces Damar? Does this make sense to you? And that is only if the chips fall in place.. If they don't then this combination switches between the first 3 picks on whats there and or what "sneaks up to us" that would be more ideal. 

49 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I think 2nd or 4th we can find a guy. Gabe Davis wa a 4th rounder.  If he could have catch more consistency then he would still be here

Yes and I think and thought at the time.. Gabe was the WRONG TYPE that we needed at the time.. and here we go again.. yearning for more speed on the outside, yea? but thats far from our priorities sadly.. we have more important things to tend to. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I think they swing at feild stretcher in our third pick while our first 2 has to be DL/EDGE (Cause we need to get home more and another of our first 2 picks replaces Damar? Does this make sense to you? And that is only if the chips fall in place.. If they don't then this combination switches between the first 3 picks on whats there and or what "sneaks up to us" that would be more ideal. 

Yes and I think and thought at the time.. Gabe was the WRONG TYPE that we needed at the time.. and here we go again.. yearning for more speed on the outside, yea? but thats far from our priorities sadly.. we have more important things to tend to. 

I still want a guy that can push the cover 2 shell

[bigK14094]

McD and Bean have a deep seated distrust of burner receivers.  They always like the big target, who usually can't run.  Witness the Coleman selection.  Wasn't Josh's idea...he just went along.

[artmalibu]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

I’m saying they could easily have done both.

 

They will also likely still try to do both. The Bills have 3 picks in the first two rounds. They will likely use one, maybe the first or maybe one of the seconds on an offensive player, like a WR. 
 

So again, the argument comes down to what’s a better plan? Fixing the defense and improving the offense with 3 draft picks vs fixing the defense and improving the offense with 2 draft picks and DK?

 

Obviously plan #2

 

Once again you are obviously smarter than Bean...

 

To be the devils advocate how do you know Bean didnt make a play for DK?  Maybe he didnt want to ply in Buffalo. 

 

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, artmalibu said:

 

Once again you are obviously smarter than Bean...

 

To be the devils advocate how do you know Bean didnt make a play for DK?  Maybe he didnt want to ply in Buffalo. 

 

Yeah DK definitely wanted to play in Pittsburgh with all their championship aspirations and their great QBs lol.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, bigK14094 said:

McD and Bean have a deep seated distrust of burner receivers.  They always like the big target, who usually can't run.  Witness the Coleman selection.  Wasn't Josh's idea...he just went along.

And I don't get it. Just pick a guy who can push deep and it opens up the underneath.  Then from time to time he will be open.

[artmalibu]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah DK definitely wanted to play in Pittsburgh with all their championship aspirations and their great QBs lol.

 

So you dont know...  I saw it reported he wanted to play in a warm weather, Pitt is not warm but Buffalo has had games relocated due to snow, players having a hard time making it to the stadium due to snow and practices canceled due to snow.  Every time I hear an interview of players asking what they know about buffalo the first thing they say "its cold there"

 

So we dont know if the guy would have signed here, unless you know something you arnt telling us. 

 

Maybe Bean shares my opinion

 

Maybe Bean does not want to give up draft capital and a top 4 WR contract in the league to a guy that finished last year at;

39th in receptions

25 in yards

50th in TDs

51st in 1st downs

79th in YAC

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, artmalibu said:

 

So you dont know...  I saw it reported he wanted to play in a warm weather, Pitt is not warm but Buffalo has had games relocated due to snow, players having a hard time making it to the stadium due to snow and practices canceled due to snow.  Every time I hear an interview of players asking what they know about buffalo the first thing they say "its cold there"

 

So we dont know if the guy would have signed here, unless you know something you arnt telling us. 

 

Maybe Bean shares my opinion

 

Maybe Bean does not want to give up draft capital and a top 4 WR contract in the league to a guy that finished last year at;

39th in receptions

25 in yards

50th in TDs

51st in 1st downs

79th in YAC

So we went from "we needed to sign Benford" to "we need to improve the defense" to "maybe he refused to come here" to "he sucks anyway."

 

0/10. No points for effort.

[artmalibu]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

So we went from "we needed to sign Benford" to "we need to improve the defense" to "maybe he refused to come here" to "he sucks anyway."

 

0/10. No points for effort.

 

Thats lame....

My stance on big swings on D is unchanged.  

 

But I dont claim to be smarter than the GM just speculated why they did not do what you think is best.  

 

I didnt say he sucks I just posted his stats and contract.   

 

I bet you quit your job years ago and now are siting back rich as hell after winning all the fantasy leagues....