It's Obvious Now - He Wants a Recession

[dgrochester55]

I am mixed about what has happened under Trump, but the democrats have done absolutely nothing to convince me that they would be any better than the past five years. At least things under Trump have a chance of getting better, we already know what would happen if this current version of the democrat party got back in.

[Coffeesforclosers]

1 minute ago, dgrochester55 said:

I am mixed about what has happened under Trump, but the democrats have done absolutely nothing to convince me that they would be any better than the past five years. At least things under Trump have a chance of getting better, we already know what would happen if this current version of the democrat party got back in.

 

We live in a two party system.

 

If Trump keeps doing what he's doing, the Dems won't have to make any argument at all.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

I’m beginning to think trump’s cutting of social programs is ok considering the electorate. Every man for himself. I don’t benefit from any of them nor do any of my friends. We’ll pony up more to keep nor and pbs going. Just don’t f up the market. Don’t alienate our allies. And don’t cozy up to autocrats. At this point, this is probably as good as we can expect. I’d vote for that   

Edited Saturday at 11:30 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[Albwan]

1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

We live in a two party system.

 

If Trump keeps doing what he's doing, the Dems won't have to make any argument at all.

You mean like republicans didn't have to do much with all the commie bs, sleepy joe,

kamala and all the clowns LOL @ you. Nobody listens or cares about your sore loser crying.

Go wreck a tesla or something.

[All_Pro_Bills]

10 minutes ago, Albwan said:

You mean like republicans didn't have to do much with all the commie bs, sleepy joe,

kamala and all the clowns LOL @ you. Nobody listens or cares about your sore loser crying.

Go wreck a tesla or something.

Whining posters don't care about a recession. They're upset that their personal investment portfolios loaded up with overvalued stocks trading at huge multiples to earnings are taking a hit. 

Edited Saturday at 07:14 PM by All_Pro_Bills

[Coffeesforclosers]

11 minutes ago, Albwan said:

You mean like republicans didn't have to do much with all the commie bs, sleepy joe,

kamala and all the clowns LOL @ you. Nobody listens or cares about your sore loser crying.

Go wreck a tesla or something.

 

🤣...what the hell are you talking about...

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, dgrochester55 said:

I am mixed about what has happened under Trump, but the democrats have done absolutely nothing to convince me that they would be any better than the past five years. At least things under Trump have a chance of getting better, we already know what would happen if this current version of the democrat party got back in.

It's not complicated.  All Trump had to do was slash regulations put in under Biden through executive order.  Then just golf for four years and let the free market do its thing.  

[Westside]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

It's not complicated.  All Trump had to do was slash regulations put in under Biden through executive order.  Then just golf for four years and let the free market do its thing.  

That easy huh? Why didn’t biden do that? Or kamala, she should have run on that instead of doubling down on stupid.

[Doc Brown]

21 minutes ago, Westside said:

That easy huh? Why didn’t biden do that? Or kamala, she should have run on that instead of doubling down on stupid.

Because they're Democrats.  There's no regulation they don't like to impose.  Even they knew how stupid a Tariff War would be though.

[All_Pro_Bills]

22 minutes ago, Westside said:

That easy huh? Why didn’t biden do that? Or kamala, she should have run on that instead of doubling down on stupid.

Because those leftist maniacs controlling the party wouldn't allow it.

[JDHillFan]

6 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

we were at a dinner party last night with folks near or in retirement.  some had kids who played college sports but I don't believe any played lacrosse - more a baseball/football crowd.  the anger that was once only directed at trump and maga leaders is now directed at all trump voters.  they're the enablers.  the divide and anger has never been higher.  

This thread is interesting in that the maga's here aren't bothered by the market dropping like a stone.  that might well be due to the amount of their hard earned money at risk from trump's policies.  Perhaps they feel they're owning the libs in this way.  but the wealth divide isn't shrinking significantly.  everyone is getting poorer or at least, less wealthy.  One of the attendees last nite has recently been approached about running for office.  he never considered it before but is now.  2 years from now might be a really good time to run for congress.

Please see what you can do about live-streaming one of these events. The self-importance on display has to be extremely entertaining. Do any of you look within for why your party is so unpopular?

 

You would make a wonderful US Senator. Please give the idea some consideration. 

[Westside]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Because they're Democrats.  There's no regulation they don't like to impose.  Even they knew how stupid a Tariff War would be though.

Why is a tariff war stupid? Do you have anything against fair trade? Other countries (our so called allies) tax the hell out of anything American coming into their country. Why should we keep losing good jobs to third world countries because they can pay so little due to no tariffs being imposed. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Whining posters don't care about a recession. They're upset that their personal investment portfolios loaded up with overvalued stocks trading at huge multiples to earnings are taking a hit. 

Please tell us what you have your 401k and IRA's in...sounds like treasuries might be your thing.  boring but entirely predictable.  kinda like the maga's here...

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Westside said:

Why is a tariff war stupid? Do you have anything against fair trade? Other countries (our so called allies) tax the hell out of anything American coming into their country. Why should we keep losing good jobs to third world countries because they can pay so little due to no tariffs being imposed. 

If Trump goes through with this you're about to find out.  

[Buffarukus]

Im not thrilled with the tariff plan. If it was going after particular sectors and hostile countries i think it would be different but going after everyone simultaneously while also creating major uncertainty doesnt sound like a sound strategy, especially in the short term.

 

At the same time we have heard for decades how US industries must grovel on their knees under Chinese censorship. How in covid we were incapable of supplying basic needs internally and destroyed under lockdowns. Seeing high percentage of foreign industries this country founded driving in our streets while other nations strictly have their own. We are nothing but service sectors and buying other counties garbage on our overbloated credit cards. Not to mention biden kept many of the original tariffs from trump and back then they were screaming doom and gloom over them as they are now. 

 

So what part of the economy mentioned are we pleased with? It doesn't seem sustainable and industries that many here were certain would revolutionize it have crashed and burned our tax money. Should we throw a few more trillion at the charging station industry and green dream sectors that havent given return after a full throttle backing of the last administration? 

 

All i can hope is they know what they are doing. Anyone who thinks this country isnt going to need some drastic changes to make a difference isnt paying attention. Sit back as more companies announce closers and major investments outside our country. Just demand that we just need "them" to pay their fair share to pour more funds into social programs as our debt swallows us whole. the stock market will be nice and steady in the meantime. Sorry kids.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 02:36 AM by Buffarukus

[keepthefaith]

This will be an interesting thread to revisit in a year or so. 

[Andy1]

4 hours ago, Westside said:

Why is a tariff war stupid? Do you have anything against fair trade? Other countries (our so called allies) tax the hell out of anything American coming into their country. Why should we keep losing good jobs to third world countries because they can pay so little due to no tariffs being imposed. 

The result of tariff wars is usually lose-lose for both sides. 

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tariff-war.asp

[dgrochester55]

9 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

We live in a two party system.

 

If Trump keeps doing what he's doing, the Dems won't have to make any argument at all.

.....and that will be the only way the dems win. They sure as hell do not have any concrete or tangible solution to make things better otherwise. They had four years to be the "party of the people" and the country fell apart because they had nothing more than "B*tch about the other guy"  until everyone else including that very same "other guy" suddenly seemed more appealing by the time the election came around.

 

Is Trump much better? Maybe, maybe not.  At the very least, Trump got rid of the mass of illegal immigrants brought in as a political statement so that is one thing. Less crime, more resources to go around.  Even if nothing else goes well (lets see how much from DOGE actually comes back to the people), that is already better than the last guy.  Maybe try something other than frivolous abuse of the court system and vandalizing cars if your party wants credibility again.

Edited Sunday at 02:48 AM by dgrochester55

[Joe Ferguson forever]

38 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

Im not thrilled with the tariff plan. If it was going after particular sectors and hostile countries i think it would be different but going after everyone simultaneously while also creating major uncertainty doesnt sound like a sound strategy, especially in the short term.

 

At the same time we have heard for decades how US industries must grovel on their knees under Chinese censorship. How in covid we were incapable of supplying basic needs internally and destroyed under lockdowns. Seeing high percentage of foreign industries this country founded driving in our streets while other nations strictly have their own. We are nothing but service sectors and buying other counties garbage on our overbloated credit cards. Not to mention biden kept many of the original tariffs from trump and back then they were screaming doom and gloom over them as they are now. 

 

So what part of the economy mentioned are we pleased with? It doesn't seem sustainable and industries that many here were certain would revolutionize it have crashed and burned our tax money. Should we throw a few more trillion at the charging station industry and green dream sectors that havent given return after a full throttle backing of the last administration? 

 

All i can hope is they know what they are doing. Anyone who thinks this country isnt going to need some drastic changes to make a difference isnt paying attention. Sit back as more companies announce closers and major investments outside our country. Just demand that we just need "them" to pay their fair share to pour more funds into social programs as our debt swallows us whole. the stock market will be nice and steady in the meantime. Sorry kids.

 

 

It’s a global economy with manufacturing competitors paying subsistence wages. In many countries workers make 5k per year. It’s tough if not impossible to make up for a 10 fold difference in labor costs with tariffs. It’s not gonna work. 
 

the market is heavily influenced by confidence. There’s not much of that surrounding trump. I hope that changes. 

Edited Sunday at 02:54 AM by Joe Ferguson forever

[Andy1]

10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

It’s a global economy with manufacturing competitors paying subsistence wages. In many countries workers make 5k per year. It’s tough if not impossible to make up for a 10 fold difference in labor costs with tariffs. It’s not gonna work. 
 

the market is heavily influenced by confidence. There’s not much of that surrounding trump. I hope that changes. 

And the market has is no confidence in the Trump tariff plan because there is no sound rationale or logic behind it. At this point, its just “thoughts and prayers” for our economy.