Sad. Dominik Hasek is compromised….or it’s TDS

[Andy1]

47 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

Boy, MAGA scum sure rallies around Putin 

Cult members can’t say a bad thing about Putin. That’s Commandment #1 issued by the orange prophet. 

[The Frankish Reich]

32 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Cult members can’t say a bad thing about Putin. That’s Commandment #1 issued by the orange prophet. 

I guess Russians buy hockey skates too.

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Andy1 said:

Cult members can’t say a bad thing about Putin. That’s Commandment #1 issued by the orange prophet. 

Liberal myth and folklore absent any tangible evidence but still repeated today because they continue believing Russian disinformation defeated Hillary in 2016.

[The Frankish Reich]

54 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Liberal myth and folklore absent any tangible evidence but still repeated today because they continue believing Russian disinformation defeated Hillary in 2016.

I’m not sure it has anything to do with Trump directly. But has any Russian player said anything vaguely anti-Putin? That’s the kind of fear Putin strikes in any would be opponent. You’ll end up falling out of a window or grabbing a radioactive doorknob. 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Liberal myth and folklore absent any tangible evidence but still repeated today because they continue believing Russian disinformation defeated Hillary in 2016.

Why would Hasek criticizing Putin be considered anti-Trump as the OP declares? 

 

Putin=Trump 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I’m not sure it has anything to do with Trump directly. But has any Russian player said anything vaguely anti-Putin? That’s the kind of fear Putin strikes in any would be opponent. You’ll end up falling out of a window or grabbing a radioactive doorknob. 

I think a lot of players simply see no upside in expressing their political and social opinions.

If I look at the Bills and Sabres, and other NFL and NHL teams I have no clue player views. Nor do I care to hear them. 

A Russian player criticizing Putin will most certainly be viewed by his countrymen as parroting American narratives. Kind of the opposite treatment of what anyone critical of the war gets here. 

[Big Blitz]

5 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Cult members can’t say a bad thing about Putin. That’s Commandment #1 issued by the orange prophet. 

 

Putin, Ukraine, France, Britain, Romania - all f***ing suck and are not worth our time. 
 

They are banana republics.  

[Andy1]

28 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Putin, Ukraine, France, Britain, Romania - all f***ing suck and are not worth our time. 
 

They are banana republics.  

So this is how F’n ungrateful MAGA is towards our allie’s around the world. I guess they have the memory of a flea. Where does the hate towards Europeans come from?

America first means America only. 9/11 was our battle, not that of other nations but the world rallied and sacrificed the lives of their soldiers to help America. That is what strength looks like. How soon Trump and MAGA forgets the sacrifices other nations made for us. After Trump is done, we will be alone. 

 

 

 

[dgrochester55]

6 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Cult members can’t say a bad thing about Putin. That’s Commandment #1 issued by the orange prophet. 

 

Go ahead and keep telling yourself that. It doesn't have to be true, as long as it allows you an excuse to hate those who disagree with you. You are a brave warrior and speaking your truth is your superpower!!!. That is the progressive way!

[TH3]

7 hours ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

Boy, MAGA scum sure rallies around Putin 

Its amazing

[Big Blitz]

12 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

So this is how F’n ungrateful MAGA is towards our allie’s around the world. I guess they have the memory of a flea. Where does the hate towards Europeans come from?

America first means America only. 9/11 was our battle, not that of other nations but the world rallied and sacrificed the lives of their soldiers to help America. That is what strength looks like. How soon Trump and MAGA forgets the sacrifices other nations made for us. After Trump is done, we will be alone. 

 

 

 

 

That was 25 years ago.  
 

And you were probably only 1 at the time, but Western Europe was not as “helpful” as you seem to think.  
 

It got to the point Donald Rumsfeld was essentially saying - to heck with Old (Western) Europe - the future is New Eastern Europe - former Soviet bloc territory.  Bc the Old Europe was not so eager to help.  
 

We had to play World Police in Afghanistan. 
 

Which, fine.  We will defend FREEDOM (not democracy) around the world.  
 

Western Europe no longer values FREEDOM. 

 

They are the Fascists now.  
 

They are not our friends.  They are friends with the globalists statists.  
 

They do NOTHING for us.   
 

If your policies don’t start with “how can we provide more freedom and more individual freedoms” then gtfo.  
 

 

 

Edited Monday at 11:09 PM by Big Blitz

[Big Blitz]

U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld touched a nerve in Europe this week, dividing the continent into what he called "old Europe" and "new Europe." Reaction from France and Germany -- which Rumsfeld put squarely in the "old" category -- was swift and harsh. But the U.S. official's underlying point cannot be denied. On Iraq, divisions in Europe appear to run deep, with the main fault line falling between NATO's "older" European members and its new ones.

Prague, 24 January 2003 (RFE/RL) -- U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld this week put his finger on an uncomfortable division in Europe with his comment that the continent could be broken into "old" and "new" categories -- at least with respect to its thinking on Iraq. 

Rumsfeld, responding to a reporter's question on 22 January about "European" opposition to the use of force in Iraq, said the reporter meant France and Germany, which were part of "old" Europe. He contrasted them with the vitality of the "new" Europe -- made up in large part of NATO's new, formerly communist, inductees.

"You're thinking of Europe as Germany and France. I don't. I think that's 'old Europe.' If you look at the entire NATO Europe today, the center of gravity is shifting to the East. And there are a lot of new members. And if you just take the list of all the members of NATO and all of those who have been invited in recently -- what is it, 26, something like that? [But] you're right. Germany has been a problem, and France has been a problem.
 

https://www.rferl.org/amp/1102012.html

[Andy1]

33 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld touched a nerve in Europe this week, dividing the continent into what he called "old Europe" and "new Europe." Reaction from France and Germany -- which Rumsfeld put squarely in the "old" category -- was swift and harsh. But the U.S. official's underlying point cannot be denied. On Iraq, divisions in Europe appear to run deep, with the main fault line falling between NATO's "older" European members and its new ones.

Prague, 24 January 2003 (RFE/RL) -- U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld this week put his finger on an uncomfortable division in Europe with his comment that the continent could be broken into "old" and "new" categories -- at least with respect to its thinking on Iraq. 

Rumsfeld, responding to a reporter's question on 22 January about "European" opposition to the use of force in Iraq, said the reporter meant France and Germany, which were part of "old" Europe. He contrasted them with the vitality of the "new" Europe -- made up in large part of NATO's new, formerly communist, inductees.

"You're thinking of Europe as Germany and France. I don't. I think that's 'old Europe.' If you look at the entire NATO Europe today, the center of gravity is shifting to the East. And there are a lot of new members. And if you just take the list of all the members of NATO and all of those who have been invited in recently -- what is it, 26, something like that? [But] you're right. Germany has been a problem, and France has been a problem.
 

https://www.rferl.org/amp/1102012.html

So France and Germany are old bad Europe. I assume Great Britain is in that group too. 

Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro, N. Macedonia, Finland and Sweden are new, good Europe. Got it. 
 

New Europe is in NATO because they all fear they will be the next Ukraine. I’m pretty sure, they are just fine having France and Germany as allies. Strange how MAGA hates them.  Also interesting that most Americans have a much stronger affinity to bad, old Europe than new Europe. 

[dgrochester55]

14 hours ago, Andy1 said:

So France and Germany are old bad Europe. I assume Great Britain is in that group too. 

Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania, Croatia, Montenegro, N. Macedonia, Finland and Sweden are new, good Europe. Got it. 
 

New Europe is in NATO because they all fear they will be the next Ukraine. I’m pretty sure, they are just fine having France and Germany as allies. Strange how MAGA hates them.  Also interesting that most Americans have a much stronger affinity to bad, old Europe than new Europe. 

It's fine if an entire country loses 80-90 percent of their male population to a war, as long as YOU can be an amazing virtue signaling champion by expressing nominal support for Ukraine! You are doing your part just as much as those soldiers because that The little Ukrainian flag sticker on your car bumper is your truth and makes the three year war all worth it, right? That is the progressive way!

[Andy1]

2 hours ago, dgrochester55 said:

It's fine if an entire country loses 80-90 percent of their male population to a war, as long as YOU can be an amazing virtue signaling champion by expressing nominal support for Ukraine! You are doing your part just as much as those soldiers because that The little Ukrainian flag sticker on your car bumper is your truth and makes the three year war all worth it, right? That is the progressive way!

So tell us what you think about Russia. Friend or foe? Trustworthy? Do you support them or Ukraine? Is a USSR sticker on you car? 

[dgrochester55]

41 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

So tell us what you think about Russia. Friend or foe? Trustworthy? Do you support them or Ukraine? Is a USSR sticker on you car? 

 Nope, Putin is terrible, but the other two alternatives are Ukraine get fully taken over or WW3.

 

Do you think that every last Ukrainian soldier being defeated and Russia taking over anyway is a  victory? Are you willing to volunteer and join them on the front line? If they answer is no to one or both, then maybe it is time to rethink your stance and stop letting others die for it. I remember when liberals prioritized peace.

 

Most "supporters" for Ukraine are nothing more than virtue signaling and toeing the party line. They only care about looking trendy on social media and conformity, not the soldiers and civilians dying over there.

Edited yesterday at 06:09 PM by dgrochester55

[Andy1]

4 hours ago, dgrochester55 said:

 Nope, Putin is terrible, but the other two alternatives are Ukraine get fully taken over or WW3.

 

Do you think that every last Ukrainian soldier being defeated and Russia taking over anyway is a  victory? Are you willing to volunteer and join them on the front line? If they answer is no to one or both, then maybe it is time to rethink your stance and stop letting others die for it. I remember when liberals prioritized peace.

 

Most "supporters" for Ukraine are nothing more than virtue signaling and toeing the party line. They only care about looking trendy on social media and conformity, not the soldiers and civilians dying over there.

In the end, what you or I think doesn’t matter much. What matters is what Ukrainians want and when Putin is willing to stop killing them. Last time I saw, about 50% of Ukrainians still wanted to fight. Their president had well over 60% approval rating. Ukrainians will accept giving up some land but want a security guarantee in exchange since they rightfully have no trust in Putin.
 

Putin is an evil butcher. He doesn’t care how many Russians or Ukrainians die. No one thinks he will stop after his Ukraine war. He may pause, rebuild his bomb inventory and then launch another offensive against another former Soviet country in the name of “evicting the Nazis” there.
 

Ukrainians are not asking for American troops. They are quite willing and able to do the fighting. The vast majority of the support we have given Ukraine goes to American military weapons manufacturers to make bombs etc to send over there. That’s supporting a lot of American jobs. We all wish those businesses weren’t so busy and there were less killing in the world. It’s definitely not ideal.  If Putin would stop the slaughter, it would end. European countries are investing in their militaries and aid to Ukraine. If Ukraine wants to continue the defense of their nation, they will have access to weapons. Putin doesn’t seem ready to stop the meat grinder. The only viable solution seems to be a DMZ between the sides with NATO troops at the new border. Let there be peace.