Cooper and Douglas

[colin]

the depth and quality of the cb and wr position last season was shocking.

 

two guys who are FAs are getting not a sniff, and they were both starters for us, who we traded 3rd round picks for.  and to top that off, the back up behind douglas (who filled in for our actually good cb) was a total write off in elam, and the back up for cooper was hollins who we didn't even bother to talk to and raw injured rookie coleman.

 

lol, sad.

[YoloinOhio]

I think it’s just because they were still getting Healthy so they aren’t in the pre-draft wave of FA. They will sign after teams see what they get or don’t get in the draft.

[Aussie Joe]

48 minutes ago, colin said:

the depth and quality of the cb and wr position last season was shocking.

 

two guys who are FAs are getting not a sniff, and they were both starters for us, who we traded 3rd round picks for.  

They will both end up on a team … they have no doubt  over valued themselves … I thought some of the projections for Cooper at $15m a year was comedy gold even in this inflated market …

[SoonerBillsFan]

59 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think it’s just because they were still getting Healthy so they aren’t in the pre-draft wave of FA. They will sign after teams see what they get or don’t get in the draft.

That and they aren't going to get what they think they were going to.  As for as Cooper, I think he is done mentally

[Low Positive]

2 hours ago, colin said:

the depth and quality of the cb and wr position last season was shocking.

 

two guys who are FAs are getting not a sniff, and they were both starters for us, who we traded 3rd round picks for.  and to top that off, the back up behind douglas (who filled in for our actually good cb) was a total write off in elam, and the back up for cooper was hollins who we didn't even bother to talk to and raw injured rookie coleman.

 

lol, sad.

Yeah, the Bills sucked!

[Thurman#1]

On 3/28/2025 at 4:57 AM, BananaB said:

Does anyone remember how bad our WR core was before the presence of Cooper? Sorry but Jordan Palmer will not bring that same mojo. To be honest he could just be another WR that showed some potential but will fail in Buffalo. Beane has brought in a few. Coop, though he wasn’t great, possibly because of injury, he helped this team. Just being on the field at times took some pressure off some guys. Remember Hollins, everyone loves him now and he finished the season strong, before Coop arrived Hollins was flat out terrible. 

 

 

I do remember how bad our WR core was before Cooper.

 

They were decent even early in the year. Not really better than that but we moved the ball.

 

Cooper was not the main difference between early and later in the season. He did make an impact. But he played 239 snaps for us. That's not a whole ton. And there was not a noticeable difference between when he was on and off the field. If he was the reason they improved, we'd have seen a difference when he was off the field. We didn't.

 

They got better as Josh got used to the guys who he was playing with for the first time, as everyone improved their understanding of the new scheme and as they got experience together.

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I do remember how bad our WR core was before Cooper.

 

They were decent even early in the year. Not really better than that but we moved the ball.

 

Cooper was not the main difference between early and later in the season. He did make an impact. But he played 239 snaps for us. That's not a whole ton. And there was not a noticeable difference between when he was on and off the field. If he was the reason they improved, we'd have seen a difference when he was off the field. We didn't.

 

They got better as Josh got used to the guys who he was playing with for the first time, as everyone improved their understanding of the new scheme and as they got experience together.

 

 

 

Obviously Allen benefitted from the "everyone eats" offensive philosophy...specific WR and added team generations...

[billsfan89]

I think teams are more aware of comp picks so these above average older vets usually don’t get signed until after the draft. If I were the Bills I would look at Douglas to at least have some sort of decent vet option at CB

[Don Otreply]

Imo, is if either or both come back, it would be a matter of necessity not preference, neither were especially good last season, hoping for better, 

[Nihilarian]

Two dollars, NO! 

 

One dollar, no Holla!

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Imo, is if either or both come back, it would be a matter of necessity not preference, neither were especially good last season, hoping for better, 

The problem is Buffalo could come away with 2 CB’s or 2 WR’s in the draft.  If that’s the case, you don’t really have a spot for either Douglas or Cooper.   
 

We know Buffalo will come away with 1 CB, and that Dane Jackson is the veteran backup.  I definitely wouldn’t mind Jackson or Douglas as the CB3 and CB4.  It could just come down to money - how much do you want to pay a CB4?   

[Mr. WEO]

Re-sign 2 guys you let go and no one else wants?

 

I can see it…

[QLBillsFan]

On 3/28/2025 at 1:23 PM, colin said:

the depth and quality of the cb and wr position last season was shocking.

 

two guys who are FAs are getting not a sniff, and they were both starters for us, who we traded 3rd round picks for.  and to top that off, the back up behind douglas (who filled in for our actually good cb) was a total write off in elam, and the back up for cooper was hollins who we didn't even bother to talk to and raw injured rookie coleman.

 

lol, sad.

Are you suggesting the Douglas trade for a 3rd was bad? Cooper maybe, but the team scored 30 pts a game and he took attention from others and was injured. Cooper maybe is looking for a deal too high for age and production. Sad on Hollins is where I’ll agree. 

[colin]

13 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

Are you suggesting the Douglas trade for a 3rd was bad? Cooper maybe, but the team scored 30 pts a game and he took attention from others and was injured. Cooper maybe is looking for a deal too high for age and production. Sad on Hollins is where I’ll agree. 

 

im saying we managed to get ourselves into a situation where our two worst position groups (maybe we have to stretch from cb to secondary, since we have TJ and benford at cb) secondary and wr not only had a lack of top end talent, but also the effective depth was pure cheeks.  

 

for example, i think our 3rd lb, williams, is gonna be a bit of a monster.  our back ups at RG and C look like they aren't too bad of a fall off from our starters.  we have a top 3 or so tackle combo, but when the RT went down vs kc in 2024 reg season, they still blocked their buts off.  any one of our RBs can make steady or big plays.  it's just goofy to me that we ended up, after spending high picks and trading 3rds mid season the past two seasons, with such a disaster at wr and cb/secondary in the afc chip game.

 

to answer your question, in retrospect the douglas and the cooper trades were bad, but i supported them at the time and if coop stayed healthy maybe it woulda worked out.

[ganesh]

On 3/27/2025 at 9:24 AM, artmalibu said:

 

I would like to see 2 DT and a CB the first 3 picks.  I have read its a great DT class and thin on WRs.  But t the end of the day I hope they dont  overdraft regardless of position.  

I would love to see the same...but may be a DE to throw in...We have  a 1st, 2 2nd's and 2 4th...Either package the two 4ths into a 3rd or trade down a 2nd to get an additional 3rd... or two 3rds and an additional 5th.   We need a few game changes...so if they need to go up the draft and get a play between the 15 to 20 range, they should do it... They should also use Epenesa as a trade option.

[colin]

21 minutes ago, ganesh said:

I would love to see the same...but may be a DE to throw in...We have  a 1st, 2 2nd's and 2 4th...Either package the two 4ths into a 3rd or trade down a 2nd to get an additional 3rd... or two 3rds and an additional 5th.   We need a few game changes...so if they need to go up the draft and get a play between the 15 to 20 range, they should do it... They should also use Epenesa as a trade option.

 

there is a 0% chance we spend our first 5 picks exactly where they are right now.  no shot!  makes draft day a bit more fun, at the least.

[QLBillsFan]

3 hours ago, colin said:

 

im saying we managed to get ourselves into a situation where our two worst position groups (maybe we have to stretch from cb to secondary, since we have TJ and benford at cb) secondary and wr not only had a lack of top end talent, but also the effective depth was pure cheeks.  

 

for example, i think our 3rd lb, williams, is gonna be a bit of a monster.  our back ups at RG and C look like they aren't too bad of a fall off from our starters.  we have a top 3 or so tackle combo, but when the RT went down vs kc in 2024 reg season, they still blocked their buts off.  any one of our RBs can make steady or big plays.  it's just goofy to me that we ended up, after spending high picks and trading 3rds mid season the past two seasons, with such a disaster at wr and cb/secondary in the afc chip game.

 

to answer your question, in retrospect the douglas and the cooper trades were bad, but i supported them at the time and if coop stayed healthy maybe it woulda worked out.

You are doubling down that the Douglas trade was bad? Did you watch him play in the first year? He was outstanding. 

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

You are doubling down that the Douglas trade was bad? Did you watch him play in the first year? He was outstanding. 

He was really good in 23 and helped save the season and was horrible in 2024.

 

Ultimately it’s hard to fault the trade as we are trying to win. Doing everything safe with a 10 year plan doesn’t work.

[QLBillsFan]

Just now, FireChans said:

He was really good in 23 and helped save the season and was horrible in 2024.

 

Ultimately it’s hard to fault the trade as we are trying to win. Doing everything safe with a 10 year plan doesn’t work.

Correct and your expectations are higher for a 3rd round pick mid season? That helped the Bills D significantly. Cooper I will concede didn’t work out. But both mid season were viable trades to help the Bills win. Rather Bills do that than nothing mid season. 

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Correct and your expectations are higher for a 3rd round pick mid season? That helped the Bills D significantly. Cooper I will concede didn’t work out. But both mid season were viable trades to help the Bills win. Rather Bills do that than nothing mid season. 

I think Cooper helped the offense significantly too. Not as much as we hoped but hey.