Stef Diggs signs with the Pats!

[Aussie Joe]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The argument that we got a deal because he could have asked for the moon is a poor argument in my opinion. 

 

In your opinion …in my opinion it’s a good one 

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

The Patriots might have …

 

He is the best player in the competition now …the fact he got the highest guaranteed money doesn’t mean he couldn’t have got more if he dug in 

You're not wrong, but you're applying a standard for Allen that you're not applying to the other QBs in the NFL.

ANY of the top 5 QB's in the NFL, if they chose to hit the open market instead of sign with the team that drafted them, would get significantly more.

Because that is true of ANY of the top QB's, it makes the argument of "he could have gotten more on the open market" a bad argument. Because it holds true for all of them. In other words - that is already baked in.

Based on the QB market as it is, Allen got a FAIR deal. He didn't give us a killer deal.

 

Or if you want to say he gave us a great deal because he could have gotten more on the open market, that is akin to saying "Allen did what every QB does" - which, then, makes it a lot less special, doesn't it?

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Come on man..how long you watch sports...

 

Sure there are athletes that aren't all about the money but don't act like there aren't plenty that don't try to get as much as possible. 

 

Or there aren't any who say one thing to the media and do something else.

 

 

Metcalf like Diggs said they wanted to play for a contender....both aren't on a contending team...they signed with teams that paid them more money...

 

I NEVER SAID Diggs left Buffalo because of the money. He left Buffalo because he was being a pain, I said that.

 

he signed with the pats because they paid him more than any other team was willing to pay him right now.

 

I also said of he cared about playing with a contender he would of cont. To "play nice" and stay in Buffalo 

Metcalf apparently nixed the trade to the Pats because he knows they suck.  

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

I am sure they know they have holes at the Oline..this is a way better coaching staff than last year. They do have the draft to address those Oline issues especially having the number 4 pick. 

 

 

They can pick at No.4 or trade out the pick, pick up more picks and address the Oline holes. 

They're definitely a year away even with the coaching upgrades.  Relying on rookies and average free agent signings to transform your dreadful offensive line (31st against the run, 32nd against the pass) last year is just too much work in one off-season.  I do think they're more competitive this year though and my guess is they'll be a problem starting in the 2026 season because I think Drake Maye is going to be very good.  

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Metcalf apparently nixed the trade to the Pats because he knows they suck.  

They're definitely a year away even with the coaching upgrades.  Relying on rookies and average free agent signings to transform your dreadful offensive line (31st against the run, 32nd against the pass) last year is just too much work in one off-season.  I do think they're more competitive this year though and my guess is they'll be a problem starting in the 2026 season because I think Drake Maye is going to be very good.  

Free Agency is fools gold more times than not

[Ghost_002!]

10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Metcalf apparently nixed the trade to the Pats because he knows they suck.  

They're definitely a year away even with the coaching upgrades.  Relying on rookies and average free agent signings to transform your dreadful offensive line (31st against the run, 32nd against the pass) last year is just too much work in one off-season.  I do think they're more competitive this year though and my guess is they'll be a problem starting in the 2026 season because I think Drake Maye is going to be very good.  

 

 

Metcalf didn't sign with the Pats because they weren't willing to pay him. He signed with Pittsburgh and they didn't have a QB at the time. If you trying to play for a contender and in a warm weather place as he said, then why would you sign with a team that didn't even have a QB and in Pittsburgh? Had the Pats paid him 30 mill, he would be in NE right now...hence the point i was making earlier that some of these athletes talk out their ass and if you just show them "the bag" they will definitely come. 

 

And the Pats could possibly make the playoffs this year. Not one person not a commanders fan,  expected them to be this good this fast, especially  with a rookie QB no less. They went from being  laughed at to a contender in just one year. As Herm Edwards would say "that's why you play the game.."

Edited Wednesday at 08:13 PM by Ghost_002!

[Aussie Joe]

17 minutes ago, Einstein said:

You're not wrong, but you're applying a standard for Allen that you're not applying to the other QBs in the NFL.

ANY of the top 5 QB's in the NFL, if they chose to hit the open market instead of sign with the team that drafted them, would get significantly more.

Because that is true of ANY of the top QB's, it makes the argument of "he could have gotten more on the open market" a bad argument. Because it holds true for all of them. In other words - that is already baked in.

Based on the QB market as it is, Allen got a FAIR deal. He didn't give us a killer deal.

 

Or if you want to say he gave us a great deal because he could have gotten more on the open market, that is akin to saying "Allen did what every QB does" - which, then, makes it a lot less special, doesn't it?

 I’ll tell you pretty simply what my argument is .

 

He could have asked for and received $65m a year from the Bills and no one would have really blinked an eye… 

 

He has played for $10m a year less ..: I’m not saying that makes him some type of matyr or anything …but no doubt it will help them out …

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:13 PM by Aussie Joe

[Malazan]

Pats fans thinking Diggs can be a #1 WR still without a supporting cast never saw him in the playoffs.

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

That's what I was thinking too, but I didn't want to bring it up.

He did act unprofessionally and play his dropped off

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Metcalf didn't sign with the Pats because they weren't willing to pay him. He signed with Pittsburgh and they didn't have a QB at the time. If you trying to play for a contender and in a warm weather place as he said, then why would you sign with a team that didn't even have a QB and in Pittsburgh? Had the Pats paid him 30 mill, he would been in NE right now...hence the point i was making earlier that some of these athletes talk out their ass and if you just show them "the bag" they will definitely come. 

 

And the Pats could possibly make the playoffs this year. Not one person not a commanders fan,  expected them to be this good this fast, especially  with a rookie QB no less. They went from a laughing stock to a contender in just one year. As Herm Edwards would say "that's why you play the game.."

He already knew it was going to be Rodgers at QB  just like the rest of us knew.  The Patriots just paid a 31 year old WR who was already on the decline even before tearing his ACL $26m guaranteed.  That's crazy and you think they weren't willing to play a very good/elite 27 year old WR $30m per year?  

 

I've got the Bills, Dolphins, Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Ravens, Bengals, Steelers, and Texans as clearly better than the Patriots no matter what happens in the draft.

[Ghost_002!]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He already knew it was going to be Rodgers at QB  just like the rest of us knew.  The Patriots just paid a 31 year old WR who was already on the decline even before tearing his ACL $26m guaranteed.  That's crazy and you think they weren't willing to play a very good/elite 27 year old WR $30m per year?  

 

I've got the Bills, Dolphins, Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Ravens, Bengals, Steelers, and Texans as clearly better than the Patriots no matter what happens in the draft.

 

 

Rodgers couldn't take the Jets to the playoffs with a good defense, Garrett Wilson and D. Adams...so now he is supposedly going to Pittsburgh and make them a contender??? Plus i don't think Rodgers has signed anywhere yet...

 

and I can break down the whole Pats situation to you.

 

The Pats come out and made a statement to justified why they didn't sign Metcalf the fans, and Boston media weren't buying it and gave them crap for it.  When Diggs came and left, fans and Boston media continue to give them crap for letting Diggs walk. They have been given the Pats crap for not addressing the offense like they did the defense and calling them cheap....a week later you have the Diggs signing..

 

There you go. 

Edited Wednesday at 08:31 PM by Ghost_002!

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

Rodgers couldn't take the Jets to the playoffs with a good defense, Garrett Wilson and D. Adams...so now he is supposedly going to Pittsburgh and make them a contender??? Plus i don't think Rodgers has signed anywhere yet...

 

and I can break down the whole Pats situation to you.

 

The Pats come out and made a statement to justified why they didn't sign Metcalf the fans, and Boston media weren't buying it and gave them crap for it.  When Diggs came and left, fans and Boston media continue to give them crap for letting Diggs walk. They have been given the Pats crap for not addressing the offense like they did the defense and calling them cheap....a week later you have the Diggs signing..

 

There you go. 

They tried to sign Godwin too (it was reported they were willing to offer him a top 5 WR salary) and Godwin's like "Nope. Way less money to stay in Florida with actual talent around me is fine with me."  The Diggs signing reeks of desperation.  A one year $10m guarantee with incentives to earn up to $15m  was the contract I was expecting for Diggs given his age and coming off a torn ACL.  I do agree with you about the Pats getting crap for letting Diggs leave the building and then when they do sign him criticize them for overspending.  It was pry the only team in the league that Diggs had leverage with in free agency given how horrible their o-line and passing weapons are.  

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Maybe I did.. but my statement and point was.

 

Metcalf and Diggs both said one thing and did something else, which alot of athletes do all the time

 

You came with your post about how their situations were different, they weren't.

 

They both said they wanted to play for a contender and they both signed with teams who were willing to pay them more.

 

 

 

They were different though...Diggs original issue, and why he forced his way out of Buffalo, was over winning...not money, he was already highly paid.  Even voided 2 years of his deal in order to pursue winning, had nothing to do with money.  The IRONY though is a year later, he clearly prioritized money over winning, and that was my point. 

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

I'm very willing to believe that if you have some evidence for it. I want it to be true. 

However, the research I have done has led me to the opposite conclusion. 

One source:
 

"It has the largest total guarantee (full and injury) in NFL history — $230 million. It’s also the highest annual average from signing at $55 million. The four-year cash flow is a record $220 million... That works out to “new money” of $175.446 million. So with two new years and $175.446 million, that’s a “new-money” average of $87.723 million." link

Another source:

"Sifting the #Bills Josh Allen contract, #Chiefs Patrick Mahomes has to be on deck for a tear-up renegotiation. From a new money vantage, Allen is averaging $87 mil+, by virtue of it being a tear-up deal & not a tack-on. Next nearest new-money avg was Dak Prescott’s $60 mil. Wild." link

I don't see any deal here. It is the richest NFL QB per-ann contract in NFL history. Does he deserve it? Yes. Was it a deal? No.

 

I think you are missing the point...let me ask you this...could he have gotten more?  Could he have demanded more and still gotten it?  The answer to both those questions is unquestionably yes. 

 

He took less than he could have taken.  Does it mean he signed for cheap?  No, but he took less than he could have demanded and would have 100% gotten.  He knows it, Beane knows, it and his agent knows that if Allen wanted more from the Bills he would have gotten it.  No one said the deal was unfair or cheap.

[JohnNord]

26 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Rodgers couldn't take the Jets to the playoffs with a good defense, Garrett Wilson and D. Adams...so now he is supposedly going to Pittsburgh and make them a contender??? Plus i don't think Rodgers has signed anywhere yet...

 

and I can break down the whole Pats situation to you.

 

The Pats come out and made a statement to justified why they didn't sign Metcalf the fans, and Boston media weren't buying it and gave them crap for it.  When Diggs came and left, fans and Boston media continue to give them crap for letting Diggs walk. They have been given the Pats crap for not addressing the offense like they did the defense and calling them cheap....a week later you have the Diggs signing..

 

There you go. 

Aaron Rodgers did successfully return from a torn ACL in 5 months during the 2023 season.

 

Source: Ghost_002

[Mark Vader]

20 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

he will be great in year 1…. Before turning into a cancerous malcontent. 

Wouldn't we want that to happen?

[HappyDays]

There goes the theory that the RB market is catching up to the WR market. An over 30 WR coming off an ACL tear is getting a higher AAV than Saquon Barkley. The position really is THAT important.

[Ghost_002!]

15 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Aaron Rodgers did successfully return from a torn ACL in 5 months during the 2023 season.

 

Source: Ghost_002

 

 

Boy you seem really butt hurt about going back in forth with me, huh. I know your type so i just left you alone but since you want the attention.

 

 

i was wrong about what his injury was. I know you were waiting for that,   so have your victory lap now, you won the internet for the day. (slow clap by me)

 

what i was referring to when talking about his "success" was his RETURN TO THE FIELD...He was able to come back and start the next season with his team..i was not talking about pro bowls, or playoff birth or great stats when referring to Aaron Rodgers return..

 

so you got your choc chip cookie what else you got that you trying so hard to hold over my head just because i dare have a different opinion than you?

Edited Wednesday at 09:13 PM by Ghost_002!

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

First off...meet Shakir, Allen, Bernard, and Rousseau...all 4 of them just this past month all took LESS money to stay with Buffalo than their market value. 

 

Well there is a difference between FA signings and rookie deal extensions. Players that enter FA are 99% of the time taking the most money offered. Players signing a year early on their rookie deal are accepting a little less than market value to protect themselves against injury over that final year.

[Doc Brown]

17 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Aaron Rodgers did successfully return from a torn ACL in 5 months during the 2023 season.

 

Source: Ghost_002

He didn't even get the injury right.

[JohnNord]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He didn't even get the injury right.

He don’t get a lot of things right 

[Doc Brown]

17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

There goes the theory that the RB market is catching up to the WR market. An over 30 WR coming off an ACL tear is getting a higher AAV than Saquon Barkley. The position really is THAT important.

That's why they call it a premium position.  I do wonder if they'll play him more in the slot than outside.  It was about a 50/50 split in Houston last year.