Stef Diggs signs with the Pats!

[Einstein]

34 minutes ago, FireChans said:

None of them were pending FAs. They all took long term money now over waiting to hit the market.

Yeah. I'm the biggest Allen homer one could imagine ... but he didn't give us a deal.

That was all agent PR. They did an excellent job at it. Convinced a lot of fans.

That being said, he is worth every penny and have no problem with it. 
 

[Success]

1 minute ago, Ghost_002! said:

Wait isn't Chris Goodwin coming back from the same injury and just got resigned with the Bucs. 

 

He's a couple of years younger.  Similar situation, though.

 

I really wanted the Bills to get Godwin.  He's more versatile than Diggs, imo.

 

[Alphadawg7]

29 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Come on man..how long you watch sports...

 

Sure there are athletes that aren't all about the money but don't act like there aren't plenty that don't try to get as much as possible. 

 

I literally said most do prioritize money in the post you are replying to.  I said its not accurate at all to say that none do.  

 

29 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

Metcalf like Diggs said they wanted to play for a contender....both aren't on a contending team...they signed with teams that paid them more money...

 

I NEVER SAID Diggs left Buffalo because of the money. He left Buffalo because he was being a pain, I said that.

 

he signed with the pats because they paid him more than any other team was willing to pay him right now.

 

I also said of he cared about playing with a contender he would of cont. To "play nice" and stay in Buffalo 

 

Diggs didn't go from Buffalo to NE...you realize that rigth?  He agreed to have the last 2 years of his highly paid contract VOIDED to go to Houston, meaning he was 1 and done deal in Houston and a certain FA at 31 years old where he probably wouldn't get the same money he got from Buffalo at 29.  

 

So once again...his move on from Buffalo had ZERO to do with money.  That is the point.  And why did he do it...to chase a ring.  So the IRONY now is a year later he chose money over a ring when he had BOTH Money and a chance at a ring in Buffalo.

 

What is so confusing for you about this?

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Ghost_002! said:

Wait isn't Chris Goodwin coming back from the same injury and just got resigned with the Bucs. 

Godwin is what? almost 3 years younger than Diggs?

Pretty big difference.

[Ghost_002!]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I literally said most do prioritize money in the post you are replying to.  I said its not accurate at all to say that none do.  

 

 

Diggs didn't go from Buffalo to NE...you realize that rigth?  He agreed to have the last 2 years of his highly paid contract VOIDED to go to Houston, meaning he was 1 and done deal in Houston and a certain FA at 31 years old where he probably wouldn't get the same money he got from Buffalo at 29.  

 

So once again...his move on from Buffalo had ZERO to do with money.  That is the point.  And why did he do it...to chase a ring.  So the IRONY now is a year later he chose money over a ring when he had BOTH Money and a chance at a ring in Buffalo.

 

What is so confusing for you about this?

 

 

I was not talking in absolute when talkin about athletes and their money. I was making a point to why he went with the pats..

 

Ok..maybe I'm confused with what you are saying..but show me where I have ever said digg went from the bills to the pats??? 

 

Please...please show me where I said he left Buffalo because of money, are you reading anything I said??

[Alphadawg7]

36 minutes ago, FireChans said:

None of them were pending FAs. They all took long term money now over waiting to hit the market.

 

Josh Allen didn't have to take less.  Sure, Bernard and Shakir were on day 3 rookie deals, so I am sure that factored in.  But the point is the same...they didn't have to take less, they could have still pushed for a deal now and closer to their market.  And if not, waited until they were a FA, plenty of players don't take less for long term security and instead wait until FA and go for top dollar.  

 

And Brady, Jordan, and tons of GOATS and greats have all taken less money to help their teams.  The guy was claiming all athletes will always take the money over all other factors...and its just not true.  Not to mention, lots of FA's have taken less money from a contender than they could have gotten from someone else, especially later in their careers if they havent won a championship yet. 

 

So while it may be true that more often than not, money talks...its not 100% by any means.  

[Ghost_002!]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Godwin is what? almost 3 years younger than Diggs?

Pretty big difference.

 

 

He is 2 years younger.

 

And Aaron Rodgers came back from his ACL. He claimed he was ready to come back the same season he was injured 

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Josh Allen didn't have to take less.  Sure, Bernard and Shakir were on day 3 rookie deals, so I am sure that factored in.  But the point is the same...they didn't have to take less, they could have still pushed for a deal now and closer to their market.  And if not, waited until they were a FA, plenty of players don't take less for long term security and instead wait until FA and go for top dollar.  

 

And Brady, Jordan, and tons of GOATS and greats have all taken less money to help their teams.  The guy was claiming all athletes will always take the money over all other factors...and its just not true.  Not to mention, lots of FA's have taken less money from a contender than they could have gotten from someone else, especially later in their careers if they havent won a championship yet. 

 

So while it may be true that more often than not, money talks...its not 100% by any means.  

 

Allen's $$$ so far.

 

 

 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

I was not talking in absolute when talkin about athletes and their money. I was making a point to why he went with the pats..

 

Ok..maybe I'm confused with what you are saying..but show me where I have ever said digg went from the bills to the pats??? 

 

Please...please show me where I said he left Buffalo because of money, are you reading anything I said??

 

Well it started where I said Diggs and DK situation isn't the same.  You were saying their motivations were money...and I countered saying that the irony of Diggs is that his situation wasn't the same when he wanted out of Buffalo.  He had several years left on a big extension, he already had the money.  He left over fear of not winning a championship.  

 

And if you read my other posts, the irony is now a year later, he clearly prioritized money as a FA now for either ego or realizing its his last pay day...because if he really wanted to chase a ring, he could have offered himself to a number of contenders that could use another WR for cheap.  But based on what he signed for in NE, he clearly cared less about winning and more about this contract.  Which is fine if he did, but its ironic because he could have stayed in Buffalo making more money and still be contending for a title (may have even won one this past year).

 

Maybe you just misunderstood my original post.  

15 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Yeah. I'm the biggest Allen homer one could imagine ... but he didn't give us a deal.

That was all agent PR. They did an excellent job at it. Convinced a lot of fans.

That being said, he is worth every penny and have no problem with it. 
 

 

He definitely gave us a deal, there is no question about that.  

[Ghost_002!]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well it started where I said Diggs and DK situation isn't the same.  You were saying their motivations were money...and I countered saying that the irony of Diggs is that his situation wasn't the same when he wanted out of Buffalo.  He had several years left on a big extension, he already had the money.  He left over fear of not winning a championship.  

 

And if you read my other posts, the irony is now a year later, he clearly prioritized money as a FA now for either ego or realizing its his last pay day...because if he really wanted to chase a ring, he could have offered himself to a number of contenders that could use another WR for cheap.  But based on what he signed for in NE, he clearly cared less about winning and more about this contract.  Which is fine if he did, but its ironic because he could have stayed in Buffalo making more money and still be contending for a title (may have even won one this past year).

 

Maybe you just misunderstood my original post.  

 

 

 

 

Maybe I did.. but my statement and point was.

 

Metcalf and Diggs both said one thing and did something else, which alot of athletes do all the time

 

You came with your post about how their situations were different, they weren't.

 

They both said they wanted to play for a contender and they both signed with teams who were willing to pay them more.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 07:25 PM by Ghost_002!

[JohnNord]

49 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Come on man..how long you watch sports...

 

Sure there are athletes that aren't all about the money but don't act like there aren't plenty that don't try to get as much as possible. 

 

Or there aren't any who say one thing to the media and do something else.

 

 

Metcalf like Diggs said they wanted to play for a contender....both aren't on a contending team...they signed with teams that paid them more money...

 

I NEVER SAID Diggs left Buffalo because of the money. He left Buffalo because he was being a pain, I said that.

 

he signed with the pats because they paid him more than any other team was willing to pay him right now.

 

I also said of he cared about playing with a contender he would of cont. To "play nice" and stay in Buffalo 

This entire thread is you arguing with people why Diggs is healthy and why he’ll be a good signing for New England.   You are literally using the “coaches know more than you do” 
to justify your claim despite ignoring the many examples of players over 30 struggling to return to form after an ACL tear.  
 

Of course, you couch your support by saying “it may not work out.”  This is your way of having an out when anyone dares to criticize your take.  
 

I also find you comment about “who cares about his stats, he was productive” to be humorous. By your definition a running back who averages 3 yards a carry but gains close to 1,000 is “productive.”

 

 

11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well it started where I said Diggs and DK situation isn't the same.  You were saying their motivations were money...and I countered saying that the irony of Diggs is that his situation wasn't the same when he wanted out of Buffalo.  He had several years left on a big extension, he already had the money.  He left over fear of not winning a championship.  

 

And if you read my other posts, the irony is now a year later, he clearly prioritized money as a FA now for either ego or realizing its his last pay day...because if he really wanted to chase a ring, he could have offered himself to a number of contenders that could use another WR for cheap.  But based on what he signed for in NE, he clearly cared less about winning and more about this contract.  Which is fine if he did, but its ironic because he could have stayed in Buffalo making more money and still be contending for a title (may have even won one this past year).

 

Maybe you just misunderstood my original post.  

 

He definitely gave us a deal, there is no question about that.  

Not even worth arguing this dude.  

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

He definitely gave us a deal, there is no question about that.  

I'm very willing to believe that if you have some evidence for it. I want it to be true. 

However, the research I have done has led me to the opposite conclusion. 

One source:
 

"It has the largest total guarantee (full and injury) in NFL history — $230 million. It’s also the highest annual average from signing at $55 million. The four-year cash flow is a record $220 million... That works out to “new money” of $175.446 million. So with two new years and $175.446 million, that’s a “new-money” average of $87.723 million." link

Another source:

"Sifting the #Bills Josh Allen contract, #Chiefs Patrick Mahomes has to be on deck for a tear-up renegotiation. From a new money vantage, Allen is averaging $87 mil+, by virtue of it being a tear-up deal & not a tack-on. Next nearest new-money avg was Dak Prescott’s $60 mil. Wild." link

I don't see any deal here. It is the richest NFL QB per-ann contract in NFL history. Does he deserve it? Yes. Was it a deal? No.

[JohnNord]

18 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

He is 2 years younger.

 

And Aaron Rodgers came back from his ACL. He claimed he was ready to come back the same season he was injured 

Rodgers never had an ACL injury…. It was a torn Achilles.   Also many doubted that he was ready at the end of the season

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

I'm very willing to believe that if you have some evidence for it. I want it to be true. 

However, the research I have done has led me to the opposite conclusion. 

One source:
 

"It has the largest total guarantee (full and injury) in NFL history — $230 million. It’s also the highest annual average from signing at $55 million. The four-year cash flow is a record $220 million... That works out to “new money” of $175.446 million. So with two new years and $175.446 million, that’s a “new-money” average of $87.723 million." link

Another source:

"Sifting the #Bills Josh Allen contract, #Chiefs Patrick Mahomes has to be on deck for a tear-up renegotiation. From a new money vantage, Allen is averaging $87 mil+, by virtue of it being a tear-up deal & not a tack-on. Next nearest new-money avg was Dak Prescott’s $60 mil. Wild." link

I don't see any deal here. It is the richest NFL QB per-ann contract in NFL history. Does he deserve it? Yes. Was it a deal? No.

If he said pay me 65m a year would they have paid it ?

[Jimmy Harris 69]

I love a good overpay by an AFC East rival. Especially the Pats, burn Kraft’s money boys!

[Ghost_002!]

6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

This entire thread is you arguing with people why Diggs is healthy and why he’ll be a good signing for New England.   You are literally using the “coaches know more than you do” 
to justify your claim despite ignoring the many examples of players over 30 struggling to return to form after an ACL tear.  
 

Of course, you couch your support by saying “it may not work out.”  This is your way of having an out when anyone dares to criticize your take.  
 

I also find you comment about “who cares about his stats, he was productive” to be humorous. By your definition a running back who averages 3 yards a carry but gains close to 1,000 is “productive.”

 

 

 

 

Oh boy! It's called a debate. You have a discussion with people who have different point of views..that's what having a debate is.

 

You have a problem with me cause I am not agreeing with you. From the get go i already said this was a risk...I don't need to go back to anything I already said...it's right there for you to comprehend or choose not to comprehend 

 

It's not a me problem it's a you problem cause you are having the same discussion with other posters who don't shared the same point of view as well.

 

Wow

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

 

Oh boy! It's called a debate. You have a discussion with people who have different point of views..that's what having a debate is.

 

You have a problem with me cause I am not agreeing with you. From the get go i already said this was a risk...I don't need to go back to anything I already said...it's right there for you to comprehend or choose not to comprehend 

 

It's not a me problem it's a you problem cause you are having the same discussion with other posters who don't shared the same point of view as well.

 

Wow

Sure - and Aaron Rodgers recovered fully from an ACL in 5 months.  

[Einstein]

9 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

If he said pay me 65m a year would they have paid it ?

If he said pay me 120m a year, would they have paid it?

The argument that we got a deal because he could have asked for the moon is a poor argument in my opinion. 

If you want to look at a player who gave true deals, look at Brady. Best QB of all time, and was never the highest paid - ever. He was rarely even in the top 5.

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

If he said pay me 120m a year, would they have paid it?

The Patriots might have …

 

He is the best player in the competition now …the fact he got the highest guaranteed money doesn’t mean he couldn’t have got more if he dug in 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 07:44 PM by Aussie Joe

[Ghost_002!]

6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Sure - and Aaron Rodgers recovered fully from an ACL in 5 months.  

 

*^^I can't handle a sports debate with other fans*

Edited Wednesday at 07:48 PM by Ghost_002!