GunnerBill Posted Tuesday at 10:07 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:07 PM 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: It might have been different if they played the Eagles during the regular season and saw what their tendencies were on offense and defenses. How could they exploit it for the next possible match up? It's also likely they focused heavily throughout the year because the odds of them meeting us in the playoffs were far greater than one of the five or six NFC teams that could make the Super Bowl. I rolled my eyes every time people said that the Chiefs were using the regular season games as practice. I may have been wrong. For sure familiarity plays a part in the Bills - Chiefs matchups. The Bills caught them on the hop in the regular season with all the man coverage but when they tried it again in the playoffs Mahomes and Reid were prepared and shredded it. But man.... watching the Superbowl the Chiefs had no answers coaching wise. It was like they defeated us and then spent two weeks with their feet up. Quote
3rdand12 Posted Tuesday at 10:08 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:08 PM 7 hours ago, Lost said: At the very least we coulda kept our 3rd rd pick this year and got the same amount of production from Diggs that we got from Amari Cooper. Diggs got injured worse then Cooper ( who is also probably shot) Okay maybe it's a wash lol Quote
GaryPinC Posted Tuesday at 10:13 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:13 PM 4 hours ago, Virgil said: The Chiefs lost to us in every single regular season game over the past 4 years. I’d argue it’s really not that important. Obviously, you need to make the playoffs, but we are past that. Beating the Chiefs in the regular season has value. You don't just go into the regular game running scaled down or vanilla game plans, because you have establish what's going to work, what isn't, and how we match up. Having the coaching acumen to tweak, adjust, deceive, adapt and bring in the right new plays/formations for the playoffs is where we are sorely lacking. I'd point to Rousseau mentioning the fullback quick runs during the regular season, multiple unstopped Mahomes sweeps in the playoffs. No adjustment. Stick to your gaps. Inexcusable. It's not like KC had an entirely new offense/defense. They just had strategic modifications at strategic times. Something McDermott seems to abhor as he relies on the same system of defending to account for everything. This is where he needs to grow significantly. 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: For sure familiarity plays a part in the Bills - Chiefs matchups. The Bills caught them on the hop in the regular season with all the man coverage but when they tried it again in the playoffs Mahomes and Reid were prepared and shredded it. But man.... watching the Superbowl the Chiefs had no answers coaching wise. It was like they defeated us and then spent two weeks with their feet up. I believe part of that is the Chiefs relied more on their coaching with less talent on their roster this year and then it finally caught up to them with a talented Philly team. Which really makes it all the more frustrating we couldn't beat them! Quote
3rdand12 Posted Tuesday at 10:16 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:16 PM 6 hours ago, Virgil said: All this tells me is the Chiefs are playing chess while we are playing checkers. We should be showing the Chiefs nothing of value in the regular season, or at the very least, plan B. Use the regular season to setup the offseason. Even the 4th down play was the Chiefs sending a different pressure than we’d seen all game. Meanwhile, we ran the same stuff repeatedly. This is the difference in the games. They are one step ahead of us. Maybe Bills are focused upon the wrong things when deciding how to play them. They showed us FB Belly Dive I felt he said. Thats getting locked down without reading the checks and tells just before (reading eyes and feet) and immediately once the ball is snapped. They should be looking at 3 plays potentially at least depending on position even though it's 3rd and 1. You might well be painfully and quite simply correct here Virgil. Quote
BullBuchanan Posted Tuesday at 10:16 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:16 PM 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: We literally were a squib kick away. I'm laughing at you for laughing at other people. No offense. I disagree. You think a squib kick was eating up 13 seconds? Quote
billsfan89 Posted Tuesday at 10:18 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:18 PM Just now, BullBuchanan said: I disagree. You think a squib kick was eating up 13 seconds? No but if you eat up 4 seconds on a squibb kick there's only time for 2 plays. So it means that as long as you don't let up a massive return (say you give the Chiefs the ball at the 30-35 KC only has one play to move the ball up to field goal rang vs. the two they had. 1 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted Tuesday at 10:20 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:20 PM 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: No but if you eat up 4 seconds on a squibb kick there's only time for 2 plays. So it means that as long as you don't let up a massive return (say you give the Chiefs the ball at the 30-35 KC only has one play to move the ball up to field goal rang vs. the two they had. They might have thrown a Hail Mary TD on that last play … 😳.., I mean would you be surprised? 😎 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted Tuesday at 10:22 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:22 PM 5 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: I don’t need another platform to tell me he flopped in the AFCCG. The entire DL did and continues to be our Achilles heel when we need them to come up huge. I do hope we can all nod in agreement on this matter ?🙄 Quote
GunnerBill Posted Tuesday at 10:22 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:22 PM 5 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: I believe part of that is the Chiefs relied more on their coaching with less talent on their roster this year and then it finally caught up to them with a talented Philly team. Which really makes it all the more frustrating we couldn't beat them! They were certainly at a talent disadvantage vs the Eagles but they were thorougly and utterly outcoached too. On both sides of the ball. Reid was awful. It was like in the first half he was trying to call plays that played straight into what the Eagles were doing. There was some adjustment second half but it was too late. I agree that if they were going to win that Superbowl they had to win the coaching battle to overcome the superior talent. They lost it resoundingly. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted Tuesday at 10:24 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:24 PM 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: They were certainly at a talent disadvantage vs the Eagles but they were thorougly and utterly outcoached too. On both sides of the ball. Reid was awful. It was like in the first half he was trying to call plays that played straight into what the Eagles were doing. There was some adjustment second half but it was too late. I agree that if they were going to win that Superbowl they had to win the coaching battle to overcome the superior talent. They lost it resoundingly. Reid and staff were out coached from the opening whistle But it's football.. even the greatest get out coached 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted Tuesday at 10:35 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:35 PM 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Sean McDermott has been a head coach or defensive coordinator for 16 years 8 top 10 in YPG... 6 in top 10 in ppg Spagnola has 5 top 10 ypg and 6 in top10 ppg McDermott 14 out of 16 years has had a top 10 defense in takeways.. spags 4 If our scheme is flawed so is spags lol Sean McDermott has numbers that are as consistent is everybody in a league of turnover.. 14 out of 16 seasons top 10 is takeaways is world class We just haven't had the dogs in February when it mattered usually.. even in our last playoff game we lost our best cover corner and had to put out a bum We never could just stay healthy for one game You are not hanging your hat on that are you? Key? Injury ? Elite Coaches adjust. GMs should have built in the depth by now. Spags does that quite well and has teams reacting to his defenses more than he they it sometimes seems The O line thank God has solid depth now. But Coaches adjust better , if that injury is your argument ? Bills made some nice tweaks to the Coaching staff so far and I expect more and better adjustment before and during games absolutely agree that late season injuries seem to affect the Bills mightily Quote
Doc Brown Posted Tuesday at 10:38 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:38 PM 17 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I disagree. You think a squib kick was eating up 13 seconds? They probably had a special teams play ready to go like the Chargers did in 2023 against us. It very easily could've taken 13 seconds off the clock depending on how many times they lateraled it. 1 Quote
L Ron Burgundy Posted Tuesday at 10:50 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:50 PM 7 hours ago, Virgil said: All this tells me is the Chiefs are playing chess while we are playing checkers. We should be showing the Chiefs nothing of value in the regular season, or at the very least, plan B. Use the regular season to setup the offseason. Even the 4th down play was the Chiefs sending a different pressure than we’d seen all game. Meanwhile, we ran the same stuff repeatedly. This is the difference in the games. They are one step ahead of us. You just summed up my problem with McDermott. The more injuries you have the more creative you should be. Cb blitzes, major risk taking should be considered. Not what we get , especially on defense. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted Tuesday at 10:51 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:51 PM 3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: You are not hanging your hat on that are you? Key? Injury ? Elite Coaches adjust. GMs should have built in the depth by now. Spags does that quite well and has teams reacting to his defenses more than he they it sometimes seems The O line thank God has solid depth now. But Coaches adjust better , if that injury is your argument ? Bills made some nice tweaks to the Coaching staff so far and I expect more and better adjustment before and during games absolutely agree that late season injuries seem to affect the Bills mightily I think there's a million things that go into every single NFL game... Besides the players on the field and the coaches and their decisions... I'm not someone who just blames things on injuries.. we lost .. but we did play without our best corner and our best safety.. at the end of the day that affects things.. that affects how you call coverages.. especially in a complex coverage scheme Could Sean McDermott, have done some better adjusting on the fly? Sure... Our defensive ends also forgot how to contain... I'm sure they harped all week that Patrick mahomes is dangerous moving because we know he is... It was a bad time for Groot to have one of his worst games But The whole notion that McDermott has a weak system.. and the other notion that spagnola is some super defensive genius is also crazy McDermott has done nothing but a fantastic job here.. he turned a cast away from an 0-16 browns team into an all pro.. he took Micah Hyde a utility player for the Packers and turned him into an all pro.. he took 5th round Matt Milano turned him into an All-Pro.. he took 28th pick Tre white and turned him into an all pro took Jordan Phillips off of waiver wire.. turned him to 9 1/2 sacks His ability to develop players within his scheme is world class ... At the end of the day we just haven't had the true game wrecker on the defensive line who can just single-handedly take over a win or take all game .. Chris Jones over the last 6 years can take over a game We've put a lot of resources into it and tried with guys like von.. unfortunately injuries happen... We have good guys up front , we don't have an elite guy So all seven or eight of our defensive lineman need to bring it.. and we haven't had that out of that group 1 1 Quote
L Ron Burgundy Posted Tuesday at 10:52 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:52 PM 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Sean McDermott has been a head coach or defensive coordinator for 16 years 8 top 10 in YPG... 6 in top 10 in ppg Spagnola has 5 top 10 ypg and 6 in top10 ppg McDermott 14 out of 16 years has had a top 10 defense in takeways.. spags 4 If our scheme is flawed so is spags lol Sean McDermott has numbers that are as consistent is everybody in a league of turnover.. 14 out of 16 seasons top 10 is takeaways is world class We just haven't had the dogs in February when it mattered usually.. even in our last playoff game we lost our best cover corner and had to put out a bum We never could just stay healthy for one game Who cares about regular season??? How's our D in the playoffs? Quote
Buffalo716 Posted Tuesday at 10:53 PM Posted Tuesday at 10:53 PM (edited) 2 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Who cares about regular season??? How's our D in the playoffs? Where we have been basically decimated by injuries historically in our tenure? We've played pretty good against the Ravens... And broncos and Patriots and Ravens again We are giving up typically like 23 points a game when we win.. that's not bad for the playoffs Then people will be like we give up 35 when we lose the last five.. well guess what the Chiefs and Andy Reid their last five playoff losses give up like 33 Edited Tuesday at 10:54 PM by Buffalo716 Quote
JohnNord Posted Tuesday at 11:00 PM Posted Tuesday at 11:00 PM 13 hours ago, babulator said: Erik Turner over @ Cover1 really does excellent work. Id suggest everyone should be watching their breakdowns. Give us a paragraph breakdown please. Just don’t post the video without any context. There should be a rule against this 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted Tuesday at 11:07 PM Posted Tuesday at 11:07 PM 9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I think there's a million things that go into every single NFL game... Besides the players on the field and the coaches and their decisions... I'm not someone who just blames things on injuries.. we lost .. but we did play without our best corner and our best safety.. at the end of the day that affects things.. that affects how you call coverages.. especially in a complex coverage scheme Could Sean McDermott, have done some better adjusting on the fly? Sure... Our defensive ends also forgot how to contain... I'm sure they harped all week that Patrick mahomes is dangerous moving because we know he is... It was a bad time for Groot to have one of his worst games But The whole notion that McDermott has a weak system.. and the other notion that spagnola is some super defensive genius is also crazy McDermott has done nothing but a fantastic job here.. he turned a cast away from an 0-16 browns team into an all pro.. he took Micah Hyde a utility player for the Packers and turned him into an all pro.. he took 5th round Matt Milano turned him into an All-Pro.. he took 28th pick Tre white and turned him into an all pro took Jordan Phillips off of waiver wire.. turned him to 9 1/2 sacks His ability to develop players within his scheme is world class ... At the end of the day we just haven't had the true game wrecker on the defensive line who can just single-handedly take over a win or take all game .. Chris Jones over the last 6 years can take over a game We've put a lot of resources into it and tried with guys like von.. unfortunately injuries happen... We have good guys up front , we don't have an elite guy So all seven or eight of our defensive lineman need to bring it.. and we haven't had that out of that group I have to agree on one thing without question. McDermott is one hell of a Defensive minded Head Coach and still on the rise (learning) Still a good bit of Headroom as a Head Coach. Looking forward to his latest assembly of Coaches and supporting staff You have covered a good bit of ground here ^ Thank you. Quote
L Ron Burgundy Posted Tuesday at 11:08 PM Posted Tuesday at 11:08 PM 12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Where we have been basically decimated by injuries historically in our tenure? We've played pretty good against the Ravens... And broncos and Patriots and Ravens again We are giving up typically like 23 points a game when we win.. that's not bad for the playoffs Then people will be like we give up 35 when we lose the last five.. well guess what the Chiefs and Andy Reid their last five playoff losses give up like 33 Every team has injuries. Yes, ours were worse certain years but it's not an excuse I would use year after year. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted Tuesday at 11:11 PM Posted Tuesday at 11:11 PM (edited) 3 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Every team has injuries. Yes, ours were worse certain years but it's not an excuse I would use year after year. We consistently are without starters.. you can't expect to win playoff games without your best corner and your best safety .. it's not the excuse.. we lost.. I think we don't give up 32 with both of them Our safeties were pretty weak all year and we were without our best one.. then Benford went down Against a top two quarterback... When the Chiefs lost secondary help in the playoffs is when Gabe Davis broke in NFL playoff lol And we all know we don't think that much of Gabe Davis.. he literally broke a playoff NFL record because he was getting guarded by backups Edited Tuesday at 11:12 PM by Buffalo716 1 1 Quote
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