So what's the plan?

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Trump's already said he's OK if the US economy goes into a recession- it's all part of the 'painful' plan.  A total reverse of what he said would happen, btw.   
 

So what's your plan once we emerge on the other side?

 

Do you expect manufacturing will return to the United States?  I mean like, making socks and digging coal???

 

Those jobs are not returning- it'll be automated, so I don't know what you think is going to happen, but I'd suggest not banking on a manufacturing job 18 years down the line when the fruits of this idiocy come to fruition.  

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Young folks, don't be stupid, and God bless us all - there ain't nothin' badder than this:

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

Trump's already said he's OK if the US economy goes into a recession- it's all part of the 'painful' plan.  A total reverse of what he said would happen, btw.   
 

So what's your plan once we emerge on the other side?

 

Do you expect manufacturing will return to the United States?  I mean like, making socks and digging coal???

 

Those jobs are not returning- it'll be automated, so I don't know what you think is going to happen, but I'd suggest not banking on a manufacturing job 18 years down the line when the fruits of this idiocy come to fruition.  

Recessions are a component of the economic system. We've had them before, mild and severe, and we'll have them again. If you want to focus on problems  I would recommend the national debt and the trillion dollar annual interest on it. And the US dollar that has lost most of its purchasing power. 

Add in personal and private debt levels, and these problems guarantee most people a lower standard of living in the future. No president to going to fix this as its too late unless we stop deficit spending, run a surplus, and start paying down the debt. No chance of that. Sadly, maybe 1 in a 1,000 are cognizant of this and most lack preparations for it. 

Edited March 25 by All_Pro_Bills

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

25 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Recessions are a component of the economic system. We've had them before, mild and severe, and we'll have them again. If you want to focus on problems  I would recommend the national debt and the trillion dollar annual interest on it. And the US dollar that has lost most of its purchasing power. 

Add in personal and private debt levels, and these problems guarantee most people a lower standard of living in the future. No president to going to fix this as its too late unless we stop deficit spending, run a surplus, and start paying down the debt. No chance of that. Sadly, maybe 1 in a 1,000 are cognizant of this and most lack preparations for it. 

Ermigrd.  Trump is creating chaos with our ALLIES and has made an unnatural recession.   Just ***** shut up. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

7 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

Ermigrd.  Trump is creating chaos with our ALLIES and has made an unnatural recession.   Just ***** shut up. 

They're really not our allies but rather vassal States dependent on the US for protection which have traditionally towed the line on US policy positions. Recently its become clear, many are controlled by politicians that are intent on censorship and outlawing popular political parties and individuals that pose a threat to their control. An objective person might conclude they fear their own citizens, and a populist uprising similar to what America is experiencing, more than any foreign threat. Countries such as Germany, Romania, the UK to name a few, that stand in opposition to Putin should look in the mirror. Absent their ability for self-awareness they can't see there's little difference between the actions of the Russian President and themselves. My personal view is European societies are in decay and dying a slow death as their leadership destroys their traditional culture. America was on the same path before the voters decided they had enough. 

[SectionC3]

There is no plan.  It's just like repeal and replace.  He gets an idea, the sycophants implement it, and they try to figure out how to handle the consequences later. 

3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

They're really not our allies but rather vassal States dependent on the US for protection which have traditionally towed the line on US policy positions. Recently its become clear, many are controlled by politicians that are intent on censorship and outlawing popular political parties and individuals that pose a threat to their control. An objective person might conclude they fear their own citizens, and a populist uprising similar to what America is experiencing, more than any foreign threat. Countries such as Germany, Romania, the UK to name a few, that stand in opposition to Putin should look in the mirror. Absent their ability for self-awareness they can't see there's little difference between the actions of the Russian President and themselves. My personal view is European societies are in decay and dying a slow death as their leadership destroys their traditional culture. America was on the same path before the voters decided they had enough. 

Protection from whom and what?  Russia?  China?  So why the F are we emboldening those bad actors?

[mjt328]

Part of the plan is to:

- Reduce government size and lower the national debt

- Reduce taxes for working Americans

- Bring back jobs and manufacturing capability to the U.S.

- Energy independence from other countries

- Negotiate better trade deals with foreign governments

 

These aren't things that can just be done overnight, with a snap of the fingers.  It's a process and balancing act.  For instance, significantly reducing taxes will give the economy a spark.  But if it's done without also cutting government spending, we just make the deficit worse.

 

Much of the tariff stuff is about posturing and leverage.  What is being put in place today won't necessarily be in place tomorrow, a month from now, or a year from now.  It's all about the endgame.  

 

And our "allies" getting angry?  Give me a break.  Most of these countries totally rely on the U.S. for military protection, expect us to supply 90% of foreign aid to the free world, and have economies heavily dependent on exports to the U.S.  They have already been hitting us with massive tariffs for decades.  But as soon as we do anything in the self-interest of our citizens, they scream unfair.

 

[Roundybout]

17 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

They're really not our allies but rather vassal States dependent on the US for protection which have traditionally towed the line on US policy positions. Recently its become clear, many are controlled by politicians that are intent on censorship and outlawing popular political parties and individuals that pose a threat to their control. An objective person might conclude they fear their own citizens, and a populist uprising similar to what America is experiencing, more than any foreign threat. Countries such as Germany, Romania, the UK to name a few, that stand in opposition to Putin should look in the mirror. Absent their ability for self-awareness they can't see there's little difference between the actions of the Russian President and themselves. My personal view is European societies are in decay and dying a slow death as their leadership destroys their traditional culture. America was on the same path before the voters decided they had enough. 

We’re deporting legal residents to the gulags in El Salvador. We’re on that path already.

[All_Pro_Bills]

5 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

Part of the plan is to:

- Reduce government size and lower the national debt

- Reduce taxes for working Americans

- Bring back jobs and manufacturing capability to the U.S.

- Energy independence from other countries

- Negotiate better trade deals with foreign governments

 

These aren't things that can just be done overnight, with a snap of the fingers.  It's a process and balancing act.  For instance, significantly reducing taxes will give the economy a spark.  But if it's done without also cutting government spending, we just make the deficit worse.

 

Much of the tariff stuff is about posturing and leverage.  What is being put in place today won't necessarily be in place tomorrow, a month from now, or a year from now.  It's all about the endgame.  

 

And our "allies" getting angry?  Give me a break.  Most of these countries totally rely on the U.S. for military protection, expect us to supply 90% of foreign aid to the free world, and have economies heavily dependent on exports to the U.S.  They have already been hitting us with massive tariffs for decades.  But as soon as we do anything in the self-interest of our citizens, they scream unfair.

 

The way I look at it there's a major political and social transition taking place where the needs of America the country are now being prioritized over the needs of America the Empire. This is what the voters have demanded. As we've all lived under a system where those in power served the Empire its something many do not understand or many that are dependent on the Empire do not want.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

28 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

Part of the plan is to:

- Reduce government size and lower the national debt

- Reduce taxes for working Americans

- Bring back jobs and manufacturing capability to the U.S.

- Energy independence from other countries

- Negotiate better trade deals with foreign governments

 

These aren't things that can just be done overnight, with a snap of the fingers.  It's a process and balancing act.  For instance, significantly reducing taxes will give the economy a spark.  But if it's done without also cutting government spending, we just make the deficit worse.

 

Much of the tariff stuff is about posturing and leverage.  What is being put in place today won't necessarily be in place tomorrow, a month from now, or a year from now.  It's all about the endgame.  

 

And our "allies" getting angry?  Give me a break.  Most of these countries totally rely on the U.S. for military protection, expect us to supply 90% of foreign aid to the free world, and have economies heavily dependent on exports to the U.S.  They have already been hitting us with massive tariffs for decades.  But as soon as we do anything in the self-interest of our citizens, they scream unfair.

 

So they are raising taxes to cut taxes? What are you talking about? Raising taxes on middle class to lower taxes on upper classes? 

 

He is all for the super wealthy, and just sh its on everyone else. Trump U. upscaled to a national scam 

[T master]

4 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

Trump's already said he's OK if the US economy goes into a recession- it's all part of the 'painful' plan.  A total reverse of what he said would happen, btw.   
 

So what's your plan once we emerge on the other side?

 

Do you expect manufacturing will return to the United States?  I mean like, making socks and digging coal???

 

Those jobs are not returning- it'll be automated, so I don't know what you think is going to happen, but I'd suggest not banking on a manufacturing job 18 years down the line when the fruits of this idiocy come to fruition.  

 

First off you would need young people that are willing to work or do physical labor & in today's America that's just not happening ! I know more than a few people in businesses that can't find good help let alone someone to show up regularly or that wants to learn to climb the ladder to make better money .

 

Most kids now days think they deserve to be making the money that the boss makes just walking through the door & are entitled to all the perks with out paying their dues .  So even if they do bring back manufacturing to the US parents haven't taught their kids that nothing in life is free and actually have taught them that in America you can get a lot of things for "Free" if you just fleece the system .

 

Which is a huge reason why a lot of "Americans" want the influx of immigrants from 3rd world countries because they will do the things that Americans use to do that involve sweat & sore muscles instead of playing mind craft & streaming videos all day ...

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The way I look at it there's a major political and social transition taking place where the needs of America the country are now being prioritized over the needs of America the Empire. This is what the voters have demanded. As we've all lived under a system where those in power served the Empire its something many do not understand or many that are dependent on the Empire do not want.

We are all dependent on the Empire.  The Empire began after the Allies won WW2 and America became the most powerful nation in the world, both militarily and economically.  And held that position relatively peacefully til now.  The world is smaller and more dangerous than ever.  And you want to abdicate.  That's just dumb.

Edited March 25 by Joe Ferguson forever

[IrishLass]

7 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

Trump's already said he's OK if the US economy goes into a recession- it's all part of the 'painful' plan.  A total reverse of what he said would happen, btw.   
 

So what's your plan once we emerge on the other side?

 

Do you expect manufacturing will return to the United States?  I mean like, making socks and digging coal???

 

Those jobs are not returning- it'll be automated, so I don't know what you think is going to happen, but I'd suggest not banking on a manufacturing job 18 years down the line when the fruits of this idiocy come to fruition.  

 

There was apparently a big conference in India recently where the tech guys were saying they expecting many/most jobs done today to be replaced by AI. So therefore we will need to find things for the rest of the people to do to keep busy, and a greatly reduced population would be helpful.

 

Cue the next Plandemic.

[mjt328]

On 3/25/2025 at 7:53 AM, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

So they are raising taxes to cut taxes? What are you talking about? Raising taxes on middle class to lower taxes on upper classes? 

 

He is all for the super wealthy, and just sh its on everyone else. Trump U. upscaled to a national scam 

 

Where did anyone say he was raising taxes?  I'm very confused where you got that.

 

Some of the tax cuts Trump has been talking about include:

- No tax on tips

- No tax on overtime

- No tax on social security benefits

- Eliminating income tax for everyone making $150K per year and under

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

21 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Where did anyone say he was raising taxes?  I'm very confused where you got that.

 

Some of the tax cuts Trump has been talking about include:

- No tax on tips

- No tax on overtime

- No tax on social security benefits

- Eliminating income tax for everyone making $150K per year and under

 

Do you even know what tariffs are? 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

10 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

Do you even know what tariffs are? 

Do you? 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

2 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Do you? 

Unlike the person I relied to, yes I do 

[mjt328]

6 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

Do you even know what tariffs are? 

 

OK.  So you are simply looking at tariffs as "raising taxes" and nothing else.  At least now I understand where you are coming from.  No need to be rude and condescending.

 

There are many factors that will determine whether a tariff turns out to be positive or negative.  It's not just necessarily just going to raise prices for American citizens.  For example:

• If tariffs are used as a temporary negotiating tactic with foreign trade partners (such as Canada) and it ultimately causes both sides to drop/decrease them, it will result in a net positive.  U.S. companies will become more competitive in foreign markets, and there will be no price changes for our citizens.

• If tariffs encourage manufacturers to open plants in the U.S., this is also a positive by creating jobs for American citizens.  There will be no price changes for our citizens, because those products will now be made here in our country.  It happened in my hometown during Trump's first term, when his tariffs caused the re-opening of our local steel plant.

• Depending on the market for the product, foreign companies will sometimes find they cannot raise prices and remain competitive.  So they simply eat the tariff.  This results in more tax revenue for the U.S., while there is no change in prices for American citizens.

• In some cases, our inability to manufacture products in the U.S. is a serious national security issue.  We found this out during Covid, when it was revealed that much of our medical equipment and drugs are manufactured in China.  Not good if we ever went to war with them.

 

As I originally stated, only time will tell how the tariff issue works out. 

 

[nedboy7]

Who cares!  Third story on FOX is Hunter's lawyer!!  Remember>  The laptop!!!  OMG. 

 

On 3/25/2025 at 6:25 AM, Roundybout said:

We’re deporting legal residents to the gulags in El Salvador. We’re on that path already.

 

They are probably not white, so who cares bro.  Come on.  

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:55 PM by nedboy7

[mjt328]

On 3/25/2025 at 8:06 AM, T master said:

First off you would need young people that are willing to work or do physical labor & in today's America that's just not happening ! I know more than a few people in businesses that can't find good help let alone someone to show up regularly or that wants to learn to climb the ladder to make better money .

 

Most kids now days think they deserve to be making the money that the boss makes just walking through the door & are entitled to all the perks with out paying their dues .  So even if they do bring back manufacturing to the US parents haven't taught their kids that nothing in life is free and actually have taught them that in America you can get a lot of things for "Free" if you just fleece the system .

 

Which is a huge reason why a lot of "Americans" want the influx of immigrants from 3rd world countries because they will do the things that Americans use to do that involve sweat & sore muscles instead of playing mind craft & streaming videos all day ...

 

Even if most manufacturing jobs are automated or done by A.I., there is still a great benefit to having things built in the United States.