Bills 28th in draft capital spent on WR’s since 2020

[DJB]

 

[GunnerBill]

Before last draft we were tied 32nd.

[Maine-iac]

Yet here we are in the playoffs every year and a top team in scoring as well.  Top 5 on that list have how many playoff visits out of 25 chances?

Edited Monday at 09:13 PM by Maine-iac

[Bangarang]

If it weren't for Diggs and Keon we'd surely be dead last.

[MJS]

Does the Diggs 1st rounder count?

 

Also, considering many of those teams in the top 10 suck, is this indicative of success do you think?

Edited Monday at 09:20 PM by MJS

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Yet here we are in the playoffs every year and a top team in scoring as well.  Top 5 on that list have how many playoff visits out of 25 chances?

 

Giants once.

Bengals twice

Broncos once

Jets zero

Chargers twice

 

Obviously the issue with the Jets, Broncos, Giants is the QB spot.  So your point gets lost immediately here...

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:22 PM by Mr. WEO

[Mikie2times]

7 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Yet here we are in the playoffs every year and a top team in scoring as well.  Top 5 on that list have how many playoff visits out of 25 chances?

I don't think using Allens talent to subsidize the rest of this roster is any sort of proof we did things the right way. But you do you.   

7 minutes ago, MJS said:

Does the Diggs 1st rounder count?

 

Also, considering many of those teams in the top 10 suck, is this indicative of success do you think?

I would think think draft capitol is inversely correlated to wins. Worse teams have more capital. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

Guys I get it,and there is still 1 WR spot that really needs filled.  That's said, we have to hit big time on Defense this draft.

[nedboy7]

I wish we were as good as the Giants. 

 

All kidding aside, I would love more WR picks. 

[JerseyBills]

15 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

If it weren't for Diggs and Keon we'd surely be dead last.

Coop too

[FireChans]

17 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Yet here we are in the playoffs every year and a top team in scoring as well.  Top 5 on that list have how many playoff visits out of 25 chances?

We are 32nd in draft capital on QBs since 2020, I guess that means QB's aren't important either.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Giants once.

Bengals twice

Broncos once

Jets zero

Chargers twice

 

Obviously the issue with the Jets, Broncos, Giants is the QB spot.  So your point gets lost immediately here...

 

 

 

 

Disagree,  think you need to look at the those  teams and see how many of those players drafted are still on the team.  I'd imagine not too many so regardless of the QB situation, shows these teams just wasted their draft capital.

 

Would also argue you don't need to spend a huge amount of draft capital on WR's when you have a great QB.  Shakir was what a 5th round pick.  Do you think he'd have looked half  as good if he were on the Giants?  Lets see how Hollins does this coming year.

 

The Bills also drafted 2 TE's in Knox and Kincaid which should be factored in.  And did the trade for Diggs count or not, or did Sharp only count players actually drafted?? 

[OldNMBillsFan]

Here's a breakdown of the top 4 players with the most passing yards since 2020

 

1- Patrick Mahomes 22,940

2 Josh Allen 21,271

3 Justin Herbert 21,093

4 Jared Goff 20,839

 

Looks like whatever they are doing is working, especially when you consider the weather in OP in December and January.

Edited Monday at 09:55 PM by OldNMBillsFan

[Mikie2times]

27 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Disagree,  think you need to look at the those  teams and see how many of those players drafted are still on the team.  I'd imagine not too many so regardless of the QB situation, shows these teams just wasted their draft capital.

 

Would also argue you don't need to spend a huge amount of draft capital on WR's when you have a great QB.  Shakir was what a 5th round pick.  Do you think he'd have looked half  as good if he were on the Giants?  Lets see how Hollins does this coming year.

 

The Bills also drafted 2 TE's in Knox and Kincaid which should be factored in.  And did the trade for Diggs count or not, or did Sharp only count players actually drafted?? 

 

 

We seem to push for more draft pick development, 2nd contracts, home grown, than the NFL average. It seems like as a % of our roster internal draft picks is a huge % compared to the rest of the league. Most people here say that is really good, but I'm not sure that is really good. It seems more philosophical and us betting on the further development of our draft picks / preference in knowledge of our draft picks vs new blood.  Is that right? I don't know, but I can't assume that it is as so many do. 

 

That point sort of ties in with this. How good are these guys?

 

As you said, what does Shakir look like on the Giants? (personally, I think Shakir is one of our best players, so I still think he would do his thing) but outside of him, what would Mac Hollins look like? How about Gabe Davis, who we labeled as a hit by Beane, but was it?

 

Based on starts and stats he sure was, but did Gabe Davis just benefit from Allen and allow Beane to kick the can down the road which ultimately hurt us more? Do we want to depend on lower grade players simply because we have Josh? 

 

3 years prior to 2007 New England finished with a top 10 offense 3 consecutive years and won a Super Bowl (in addition to getting booted in the divisional and Championship rounds). It was common at that time to think Brady really didn't need elite weapons, I mean they won a Super Bowl and went deep the other two years. That offseason they landed Moss. As we know, they didn't win the Super Bowl, but had they had a guy like Randy the whole time, they probably would have 3-4 more rings easy. That offense was the best of all time. So when we say, geez, this offense is already #1, what else do we need? Well, look at how Moss elevated that Patriots offense  

 

 

Edited Monday at 10:08 PM by Mikie2times

[The Jokeman]

55 minutes ago, MJS said:

Does the Diggs 1st rounder count?

 

Also, considering many of those teams in the top 10 suck, is this indicative of success do you think?

We gave up more than a 1st on Diggs.

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

We gave up more than a 1st on Diggs.

 

Have to include a 3rd for Cooper too.

[Malazan]

18 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

3 years prior to 2007 New England finished with a top 10 offense 3 consecutive years and won a Super Bowl (in addition to getting booted in the divisional and Championship rounds). It was common at that time to think Brady really didn't need elite weapons, I mean they won a Super Bowl and went deep the other two years. That offseason they landed Moss. As we know, they didn't win the Super Bowl, but had they had a guy like Randy the whole time, they probably would have 3-4 more rings easy. That offense was the best of all time. So when we say, geez, this offense is already #1, what else do we need? Well, look at how Moss elevated that Patriots offense 

 

The one year that we have actual data for and it didn't happen is irrelevant to my made up fantasy where if they had him.. they would have won 100% of the superbowls. I love the logic of this board.

[NeverOutNick]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

 

I’m shocked 

[TheWeatherMan]

But…but…but Beane gives Josh everything he needs, it’s all a lie that it’s all Josh.

[Mikie2times]

11 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

The one year that we have actual data for and it didn't happen is irrelevant to my made up fantasy where if they had him.. they would have won 100% of the superbowls. I love the logic of this board.

This board is funny right? I mean, Buffalo can barely get past the divisional round and we theorize we are just a play or two away from a Super Bowl title. Yet the 2nd leading scoring team in NFL history wouldn't have been better off with Randy Moss because they lost one game all year by 3 points?

 

By all means, explain that one to me. 

Edited Monday at 10:38 PM by Mikie2times