Ty Johnson is the modern day Fred Jackson

[NewEra]

I love me some Ty.

 

i LOOVED me some Fred. 
 

Two gamers I’m happy to root for

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Why would I think that?  It's obviously not true.  He's a feature back.

 

What's also true is that, in 6 seasons on 3 different teams, no one has saw fit to use him in the way you are suggesting.  The Bills rarely handed him the ball.  He's a good RB3....you could find that anywhere in day 3 of the  draft.  

 

He's a poor man's Zach Moss.

Johnson already surpassed Moss in Buffalo IMO. 

[Mr. WEO]

53 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Johnson already surpassed Moss in Buffalo IMO. 

 

in what way

[Sharky7337]

It's not even close if we want to draw a real comparison.

 

Fred Jackson was a force in some of his prime seasons. Body size completely different. Fred was not the same pass catcher either that ty is.

 

Honestly I feel like he has his own story to make ( Ty Johnson).

 

Fred was criminally robbed to not be able to play for a better bills team.

 

It's a shallow comparison just because they both sat behind someone.

 

You can compare him to a lot of players across a lot of positions if we are going to make the criteria like that. ( Smaller sample size better numbers not as notable)

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 01:18 PM by Sharky7337

[Homey D. Clown]

I'll say this here I guess....  It's really hard to be impressed with 1200 all purpose yards, and thus could really care less if Cook sat out/held out/walked out.  Is Ty Johnson an upgrade?  Maybe, but I truly don't think finding a back that can't pass protect, not an elite route runner and barely gains a thousand yards in a season is all that difficult to find.  I don't get it.  

[JerseyBills]

On 3/22/2025 at 10:45 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I’m gonna go out on a HUGE limb here and probably get some negative reactions/comments, but I really don’t care. We don’t NEED James Cook. Why? Because Ty Johnson is the modern day Fred Jackson of the Buffalo Bills. 
 

2024 Season

TJ = 59 touches, 8.4 yards a touch. 

Cook = 239 touches with a 5.6 yard average. 

Cook has 1267 scrimmage yards which is very respectable. Now give TJ the same amount of touches as Cook and it projects to 2007.6 scrimmage yards. 
 

TJ is a significantly better receiver. He had 1/5 the amount of pass targets as Cook and still has a higher yard & TD total. 
 

TJ also has a higher YPC at 5.2 and Cook at a 4.9, but I will still give the slight edge to Cook as he had a much bigger workload. Johnson has 20 lbs on Cook and I think would give Buffalo the edge in the red zone. 

 

As far as run blocking, it is obvious that TJ is superior. Our own Josh Allen said he was the best 3rd down back in the NFL. Probably because of his elite outlet receiver skills and ability to pick up rushers. I’ve never seen him whiff on one block. There’s a reason he was the least sacked QB last year and TJ played a big role in that. 
 

The last point I’ll make it Ty Johnson is still relatively young at 27 and with very little wear & tear. Buffalo could easily get 3-4 more seasons out of him. 
 

We saw the same arguments with Fred Jackson that his pedigree wasn’t good enough, that he is too old, that the guy starting ahead of him was simply better. Fans who had a keen eye for talent knew that Jackson was the real deal. Why? Because every time he had the ball, he was a monster. The numbers didn’t lie either as I remember him averaging well over 5 ypc. Still the dumb ass coaching staff drafted CJ Spiller when they already had a star on the roster. 

 

This thread isn’t about putting down Cook who is an excellent back. It’s more about money vs production. I think we could get much more value rolling with Ty Johnson/Ray Davis vs James Cook @ 15 million a year. The drop off in rushing yards would be very minimal if there even is a drop off? RB involvement in the pass game would increase drastically as Ray Davis is a very good receiver in his own right. It just seems like every time Ty Johnson touched the ball, it was a first down. I would roll the dice and try to trade Cook possibly a player for player. The Bills don’t need this type of distraction while they have championship aspirations. Hopefully the FO has learned from the whole Diggs debacle and nips this thing ASAP. 

 

Ty is a very good 3rd down back but this is disrespectful to FredEx

[MasterStrategist]

On 3/23/2025 at 6:56 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Yes, I know Fred was 26. I am saying he was almost 30 before he got a chance to be a starter. Before that he contended with both Lynch and Spiller. And he absolutely did bounce around playing on 2 arena teams and NFL Europe before getting signed here. And again I keep saying this. Why are some people not reading my OP? I am not advocating for Johnson to be the #1 back. I am advocating a 1-2 punch of Davis/Johnson. I certainly would want Cook starting over anyone else, but not at 15 million. 

People have read your OP, they simply disagree with it.

 

Fred had more touches at Age 26, when not playing a signicant role, than Ty has had in any season of his career.  Fred went on to have 7 seasons of 150+ touches, 5 of which 200+.

 

Bottom line, Ty has never played the #2 role or even cracked 100 touches in a single season in his career.  This after being on 3 different teams with needs at RB2.  

 

There is little to zero evidence that shows he's capable, or coaches want him in that role.  He's a perfect 3rd down back, can fill in as the starter/#2 for a game or so.

 

Davis and Ty combo, basically puts us back to the Moss/Motor years--- Davis has 1 good game under his belt, not a guarantee he's ready for a split role. 

[starrymessenger]

On 3/22/2025 at 10:25 AM, uticaclub said:

Fred was an everydown back

yes I remember a lead block he administered at the goal line on Drayton Florence when still a Charger (blocking for Marshawn I think). ‘Twas a thing of beauty.

TJ is a good playmaker and rotational back. Would have liked Fred to have stayed at the top of his game longer, but when there he was elite or close to.

[3rdand12]

On 3/24/2025 at 4:33 PM, JerseyBills said:

Ty is a very good 3rd down back but this is disrespectful to FredEx

I am sure it was never intended to be that.

Out on a limb here

Perhaps its over enthusiasm at worst.

But maybe its the excitement that TY is going to make a play when he touches the ball.

 Fred made something outta nothing most often and was a monster for effort to Lead the Team. Yep all that

 But when i see Ty on the field, I am watching for him to make a play. He often does 😇

 

[3rdand12]

On 3/24/2025 at 6:57 PM, MasterStrategist said:

People have read your OP, they simply disagree with it.

 

Fred had more touches at Age 26, when not playing a signicant role, than Ty has had in any season of his career.  Fred went on to have 7 seasons of 150+ touches, 5 of which 200+.

 

Bottom line, Ty has never played the #2 role or even cracked 100 touches in a single season in his career.  This after being on 3 different teams with needs at RB2.  

 

There is little to zero evidence that shows he's capable, or coaches want him in that role.  He's a perfect 3rd down back, can fill in as the starter/#2 for a game or so.

 

Davis and Ty combo, basically puts us back to the Moss/Motor years--- Davis has 1 good game under his belt, not a guarantee he's ready for a split role. 

Davis and Johnson

Thunder and Lightning ?

No ? Not so much  😋 ?

 

 Ty needs to maintain his fit in Brady's offense as Allen's best 3rd round back in the League!

Davis is not a lead back in this system.

conundrum

 

[Buffaloflash]

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you just mentioned. Plus, a few of his catches last year were unbelievable for a running back. He's a keeper.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

38 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Davis and Johnson

Thunder and Lightning ?

No ? Not so much  😋 ?

 

 Ty needs to maintain his fit in Brady's offense as Allen's best 3rd round back in the League!

Davis is not a lead back in this system.

conundrum

 

Davis certainly has the potential to be a lead back. How do you gather this from one season ? The moment he was called on, he played phenomenally.

[Buffaloflash]

On 3/24/2025 at 7:43 AM, Mr. WEO said:

Johnson already surpassed Moss in Buffalo IMO. 

 

 

in what way

You must have watched the Bill's game on the radio, if you asked that question.