Bills Related Draft News & Discussion

[nosejob]

18 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

We need a 1-Tech to takeover for Daquan Jones.  That is Kenneth Grant.

Most people see Derrick Harmon as a 3-Tech, which is the same position of Ed Oliver, DeWayne Carter and Larry Ogunjobi.  

 

Grant is easily my number one target in the draft.  I think a big body in the middle of the D-Line would give us a huge upgrade.

I would also rather trade up for one player with huge upside, as opposed to sitting back and getting two solid/safe prospects.

 

There is a slight chance Grant falls to us.  More likely we need to get above the Chargers at 22.

 

Harmon is only a big mac smaller than Jones and Jones is his NFL.com comp., except he is more versatile.

[mjt328]

22 minutes ago, nosejob said:

Harmon is only a big mac smaller than Jones and Jones is his NFL.com comp., except he is more versatile.

 

Yeah, I know they are saying he's versatile enough to play anywhere on the D-Line.

310-320 seems to be that weight where coaches experiment playing them at either.

 

I guess I would prefer to get bigger in the middle of the D-Line.  

Ed Oliver is small for a DT.  Terrel Bernard is small for a MLB.  We are already playing heavy in Nickel.

 

[Thrivefourfive]

Can’t wait to see the thread tonight on our draft pick!!! I read reading through the drafted player thread.. that’s really how I get to know our new guys 😊

 

 

10 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Yeah, I know they are saying he's versatile enough to play anywhere on the D-Line.

310-320 seems to be that weight where coaches experiment playing them at either.

 

I guess I would prefer to get bigger in the middle of the D-Line.  

Ed Oliver is small for a DT.  Terrel Bernard is small for a MLB.  We are already playing heavy in Nickel.

 

is that why we get run over? 🤔🤣 Yeah, no more tweezers, McBeane. We need an All Pro, and they’re just aren’t many undersized AP’s 

[MrEpsYtown]

16 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Yeah, I know they are saying he's versatile enough to play anywhere on the D-Line.

310-320 seems to be that weight where coaches experiment playing them at either.

 

I guess I would prefer to get bigger in the middle of the D-Line.  

Ed Oliver is small for a DT.  Terrel Bernard is small for a MLB.  We are already playing heavy in Nickel.

 

 

This regime just does not seem to value that much for what they want to do defensively, which I can understand. Most teams aren't going to spend a high pick on a big bowl of goo. I think most of these guys are versatile and can play multiple spots. I don't think Grant is a tub off goo and I do think he is way more versatile than people give him credit for. But I don't think we need to get too hung up over 1 vs 3 tech stuff. Just draft good football players who make plays and have an avenue to playing time. That's Grant or Harmon etc. 

[nosejob]

47 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Yeah, I know they are saying he's versatile enough to play anywhere on the D-Line.

310-320 seems to be that weight where coaches experiment playing them at either.

 

I guess I would prefer to get bigger in the middle of the D-Line.  

Ed Oliver is small for a DT.  Terrel Bernard is small for a MLB.  We are already playing heavy in Nickel.

 

I agree and picking Grant is fine by me. But, I think Harmon gives the best of both, besides we could / can pick 3 1Ts later. I'm wondering how many guys are playing the position at 330+ anyway.

Edited 3 hours ago by nosejob

[TPS]

13 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

Daniel Jeremiah’s final mock draft, completely different than the other experts mocks. This year is going to be a disaster trying to pick the first round even more than it usually is. I mean come on now lol 

What happen to Will Johnson here?  He's got him at #16 on his top 150. An oversight?

[SoonerBillsFan]

Mcbeane both commented on size and power both end of year and at the combine.  McDermott said they had to really take a look at what they have done to date and knew they needed to make changes.

 

McDermott's comment was in regards to bigger DT's than he normally has.  The power thing came from Beane in regards to speed.  McDermott  said we must stretch the field vertically. 

 

When McDermott says they need to make a change that is HUGE.  That tells me he knows adjustments must be made to get over the top.

 

That is why imho,  a BIG 1 tech, a CB with size and speed and a WR who can stretch the field will be our first 3 picks.  I am going by what I have hear from the Mcbeane duo this offseason, combined with what Philly did to KC.

 

I may be wrong,but I expect that is how our entire draft will go.

Edited 3 hours ago by SoonerBillsFan

[CNYfan]

13 minutes ago, TPS said:

What happen to Will Johnson here?  He's got him at #16 on his top 150. An oversight?

Prisco has Will Johnson to the Bills.  Another slow guy.  

[nosejob]

8 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Mcbeane both commented on size and power both end of year and at the combine.  McDermott said they had to really take a look at what they have done to date and knew they needed to make changes.

 

McDermott's comment was in regards to bigger DT's than he normally has.  The power thing came from Beane in regards to speed.  McDermott  said we must stretch the field vertically. 

 

When McDermott says they need to make a change that is HUGE.  That tells me he knows adjustments must be made to get over the top.

 

That is why imho,  a BIG 1 tech, a CB with size and speed and a WR who can stretch the field will be our first 3 picks.  I am going by what I have hear from the Mcbeane duo this offseason, combined with what Philly did to KC.

 

I may be wrong,but I expect that is how our entire draft will go.

I'd be happy to get 2 Dline guys Porter and Thornton. I think the Frazier / Parrish / Alexander etc. types will be just as good.  Also speed WRs later too.

Fix the damn Dline first. 

[TPS]

1 minute ago, CNYfan said:

Prisco has Will Johnson to the Bills.  Another slow guy.  

Google tells me he's got injury concerns, which is why he's dropping.  Though, he's still Jeremiah's #16.

[CNYfan]

9 minutes ago, TPS said:

Google tells me he's got injury concerns, which is why he's dropping.  Though, he's still Jeremiah's #16.

He refused to run a 40 and his 10 yard split was bog turtlesque.  

[Solomon Grundy]

11 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

 

Cook and 30 for 12  

 

it’s worth a try

 

weren’t we linked to him before?

ATTENTION HOUND!!

My draft day prediction is Etienne gets traded to the Cowboys. Jags pick Jeanty

[CNYfan]

11 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You spam post "Cook and 30 for 12" as if you think the more times you post it, the less ridiculous it will be...

More likely Cook and a 4th for Selection 44

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, bills6969 said:

Isn’t Nolen just Ed Oliver 2.0?  We need a  beefy 1T.

I don’t think he’s ed 2.0, but he’s a 3T imo.  He’s a beast vs the run though.  We do need a 1T and we can get one in later round in the draft.  
 

more than anything, I think we need impact players along the DL.  Guys that can make plays.

[MrEpsYtown]

38 minutes ago, TPS said:

What happen to Will Johnson here?  He's got him at #16 on his top 150. An oversight?

 

No Walter Nolan or Nick Emmanwori or James Pearce either. who knows? 

[Royale with Cheese]

54 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Mcbeane both commented on size and power both end of year and at the combine.  McDermott said they had to really take a look at what they have done to date and knew they needed to make changes.

 

McDermott's comment was in regards to bigger DT's than he normally has.  The power thing came from Beane in regards to speed.  McDermott  said we must stretch the field vertically. 

 

When McDermott says they need to make a change that is HUGE.  That tells me he knows adjustments must be made to get over the top.

 

That is why imho,  a BIG 1 tech, a CB with size and speed and a WR who can stretch the field will be our first 3 picks.  I am going by what I have hear from the Mcbeane duo this offseason, combined with what Philly did to KC.

 

I may be wrong,but I expect that is how our entire draft will go.

 

I would think for a 1st round 1-tech, it has to be someone that can play all 3 downs.  I don't see them spending a high value asset on a big guy who just plugs holes....they can wait to get that guy in like the 3rd round IMO.  I just don't see them using a 1st pick that would play 30%-35% of the time as just a run defender.

[balln]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I would think for a 1st round 1-tech, it has to be someone that can play all 3 downs.  I don't see them spending a high value asset on a big guy who just plugs holes....they can wait to get that guy in like the 3rd round IMO.  I just don't see them using a 1st pick that would play 30%-35% of the time as just a run defender.

Ideally. But the first round varies year to year in terms of what is a first round graded player. We’re essentially drafting 2nd round graded players at the high 20s and 30s. Just take BPA. 

[jahnyc]

There has been a lot of noise around Nolen, Pearce and Green all having significant off field concerns/issues, which will hurt their draft position.

[Royale with Cheese]

22 minutes ago, balln said:

Ideally. But the first round varies year to year in terms of what is a first round graded player. We’re essentially drafting 2nd round graded players at the high 20s and 30s. Just take BPA. 

 

I think I heard the Bills have only 12 - 1st round graded players.  So anyone past the middle half of the 1st round is probably a 2nd round graded player.

[boyst]

3 hours ago, bills6969 said:

Isn’t Nolen just Ed Oliver 2.0?  We need a  beefy 1T.

How far away Oliver overdrafted?