Bills Related Draft News & Discussion

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Wholeheartedly disagree. To me, Ladd falls in EXACTLY the same category as Keon. Good player, but not the type we need on this offense.

 

Ladd put up nice numbers on an offense with little else to throw to. He likey wouldn't have seen that same volume here, especially being he played over 60% of his snaps from the slot and we have a log jam there. 

 

Instead of "Coleman is slow" posts we would be seeing "Ladd isn't used enough" posts, even though our best WR currently is our main slot guy in Shakir. Again, Ladd is a nice player and fell into a perfect situation for himself with the Chargers. It would likely have been much different here.

I get you and I agree. I would love an athletic fat fella or two early. 

Yes, he will make slight moves up. I guess I don't call jumping a few spots "aggressive". Or at least aggressive enough. 

 

I'd love to see him get super aggressive and moved way up the board. For instance z if Kenneth Grant is their guy and he's sitting there at 12-15, go get him. Don't hem and haw and see if...well maybe he slips to 25 and we try and move up for the bare minimum. 

 

Identity the guy you need and spend what it takes to get there. 

he made some leaps for Josh, Edmunds, Diggs. I agree, if they need to move up 10- 15 spots, I'd love to see it, use that extra 2nd and a 1 or 2 next year 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

he made some leaps for Josh, Edmunds, Diggs. I agree, if they need to move up 10- 15 spots, I'd love to see it, use that extra 2nd and a 1 or 2 next year 

You're not trading a first or second from next year to grab a DT.

[nosejob]

I'll play Beane for a minute. I'm gonna target Seattle.  They Have picks 18 / 50 / 52 /82 and 92.

 

I'm sending 2026 1st / pick 132 and 170 for picks 50 and 82.  That allows me to trade back at 62 and pick up a 2nd 3rd. Maybe I trade 62 to Jags for 70 and 126.

 

That give us 30 two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths . That's 7 picks in the first 126. This is the year to make hay and find impact players at ALL positions of need.

 

I suppose we could target 18 , but I would rather be steady and pick the bolded.

 

If we sit from 62 to 109, what amount of faith I still have in Beane as Gm will be running on fumes.

[BuffaloBillyG]

43 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I understand your argument and you may be right, but as much as I love the success that McDermott and Beane have had overall, I don’t think I want Beane trading away pick 109 to move from 30 to 25/26.  He has made hay in the middle rounds and his early picks have been a bit hit and miss.

Pick 109 is the 7th pick of day 3 and there are often decent players still on the board early in that round.  I’d like to still have that pick for maybe a shot at a WR or maybe another CB (assuming that they pick a CB in round 1 or 2).  There might also be a big 1T candidate available then.

 

If I recall correctly (questionable for my aging mind), the Bills traded up for both Elam and Kincaid.  I’m not as down on Kincaid as some are, but I admit I was hoping for more impact.  On Elam, I can’t find any online scouting reports that suggested he was going to be a bust.  Busts happen, so I’d just as soon sit tight or move down and have more picks than to trade up - unless they are absolutely sure that who they are trading up for is really going to be good.

 

I am not sure that Grant is such a sure thing that I’d move up.  If he is available at 30, fine.  Just my view…

 

 

 

I agree. Beane's early picks have been meh. But is that due to poor scouting or waiting patiently until they are down to their final guy with a first round grade and settling for what's left? Maybe a combination of both? 

 

Because I'm a fat old guy I liken a lot of things to pie. You're sitting there and there's chocolate cream pie. Banana cream pie. And a nice apple pie. Now there's nothing wrong with any of those IMO, and they are all about the same. But for some reason, that banana cream would hit the spot on that day. 

 

Would you rather sit and hope a piece is left after everyone else goes through the line and end up with apple...or speak up and get that banana cream you need that day? (Feel free to substitute any pie if your preference in my analogy)

18 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

he made some leaps for Josh, Edmunds, Diggs. I agree, if they need to move up 10- 15 spots, I'd love to see it, use that extra 2nd and a 1 or 2 next year 

I feel this kinda proves my point. He made several big leaks for Josh and that worked out well. Because they identified early who they wanted were super aggressive and attacked. 

 

The move for Edmunds was smaller, still aggressive and despite what many claim here was a solid player for 4 years on a rookie contract. 

 

When he swings big he usually connects. It's those micro trade up 3-4 spots for guys like Elam that swing and miss. I'm with you. Use those 2026 picks this year and worry about next year's draft next year 

[nosejob]

13 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I agree. Beane's early picks have been meh. But is that due to poor scouting or waiting patiently until they are down to their final guy with a first round grade and settling for what's left? Maybe a combination of both? 

 

Because I'm a fat old guy I liken a lot of things to pie. You're sitting there and there's chocolate cream pie. Banana cream pie. And a nice apple pie. Now there's nothing wrong with any of those IMO, and they are all about the same. But for some reason, that banana cream would hit the spot on that day. 

 

Would you rather sit and hope a piece is left after everyone else goes through the line and end up with apple...or speak up and get that banana cream you need that day? (Feel free to substitute any pie if your preference in my analogy)

I feel this kinda proves my point. He made several big leaks for Josh and that worked out well. Because they identified early who they wanted were super aggressive and attacked. 

 

The move for Edmunds was smaller, still aggressive and despite what many claim here was a solid player for 4 years on a rookie contract. 

 

When he swings big he usually connects. It's those micro trade up 3-4 spots for guys like Elam that swing and miss. I'm with you. Use those 2026 picks this year and worry about next year's draft next year 

The bolded has got to be the strategy.

Edited Sunday at 05:16 PM by nosejob

[JerseyBills]

27 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

You're not trading a first or second from next year to grab a DT.

Likely not unless they feel he'd be an immediate impact, game changer type. That'd fill a huge hole and you got a stud next to Ed for years and if Bosa stays healthy, that DL could go from a weakness to a strength 

[nosejob]

2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Likely not unless they feel he'd be an immediate impact, game changer type. That'd fill a huge hole and you got a stud next to Ed for years and if Bosa stays healthy, that DL could go from a weakness to a strength 

We could very well be having to look at Collins or maybe a Sanders at 30.

[Dr. Who]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Likely not unless they feel he'd be an immediate impact, game changer type. That'd fill a huge hole and you got a stud next to Ed for years and if Bosa stays healthy, that DL could go from a weakness to a strength 

It's a deep draft for DT. Grant is my favorite, but there are others who would fix the problem in the center of the DL. I think you only trade up with that kind of expenditure for elite talent at QB, WR, and Edge.

[OldTimer1960]

3 hours ago, nosejob said:

I'll play Beane for a minute. I'm gonna target Seattle.  They Have picks 18 / 50 / 52 /82 and 92.

 

I'm sending 2026 1st / pick 132 and 170 for picks 50 and 82.  That allows me to trade back at 62 and pick up a 2nd 3rd. Maybe I trade 62 to Jags for 70 and 126.

 

That give us 30 two 2nds, two 3rds, two 4ths . That's 7 picks in the first 126. This is the year to make hay and find impact players at ALL positions of need.

 

I suppose we could target 18 , but I would rather be steady and pick the bolded.

 

If we sit from 62 to 109, what amount of faith I still have in Beane as Gm will be running on fumes.

I don’t see how Seattle would accept that deal.  Check your favorite draft trade value chart - I looked at Drafttek’s and the Richard Hill table and if you discount the 2026 first by a round (as teams generally do) then I don’t think the compensation from the Bills’ is enough to get 50 and 82.

[OldTimer1960]

2 hours ago, nosejob said:

We could very well be having to look at Collins or maybe a Sanders at 30.

You could be right, but I don’t think they would take Collins at 30 over a CB, DE or WR.  They DO need a big run stopping DT and I do like Collins, but he feels too much of a reach there.  I think there will be players rated higher than a 2 down run stopper.  Just my $.02 worth.

[nosejob]

9 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

You could be right, but I don’t think they would take Collins at 30 over a CB, DE or WR.  They DO need a big run stopping DT and I do like Collins, but he feels too much of a reach there.  I think there will be players rated higher than a 2 down run stopper.  Just my $.02 worth.

Yeah, I guess my point is that Grant and Harmon could be gone.

[Alphadawg7]

I keep hoping to see us linked to this guy...crazy combo of size (6'5") and speed (4.3)...one of my top targets for the 4th and I wouldn't hate us moving up a bit to make sure we get him.  My biggest sleeper WR of 2025

 

 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

50 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I keep hoping to see us linked to this guy...crazy combo of size (6'5") and speed (4.3)...one of my top targets for the 4th and I wouldn't hate us moving up a bit to make sure we get him.  My biggest sleeper WR of 2025

 

 

 

He is good. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

There was a thread about Bills meeting with that DE from Arkansas "like 8 times," but the thread was deleted.

 

Was it a fake quote?

[Breakout Squad]

Draft BPA. Even if it’s an offensive lineman. Drafting for need can backfire and as much as I like Beane he has reached based on need in the past. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

5 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:

Draft BPA. Even if it’s an offensive lineman. Drafting for need can backfire and as much as I like Beane he has reached based on need in the past. 

I think it's a blend of both. Drafting a OT, TE, or Center at 30 isn't going to help us any time soon. Safety is in that argument as well. 

[JerseyBills]

8 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

It's a deep draft for DT. Grant is my favorite, but there are others who would fix the problem in the center of the DL. I think you only trade up with that kind of expenditure for elite talent at QB, WR, and Edge.

I generally agree, just feel like Beane has the LUXURY of doing so with a DT or DB in this situation because it's already a SB caliber roster and he has an abundance of draft picks and is known to find talent on day 3, so if and only if they absolutely love a player and have to move up 15-20 spots, I say pull the trigger for an elite talent,.

Edited Monday at 02:42 AM by JerseyBills

[Breakout Squad]

42 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I think it's a blend of both. Drafting a OT, TE, or Center at 30 isn't going to help us any time soon. Safety is in that argument as well. 

That’s true. There’s definitely exceptions to that rule. But trades can be made and draft picks have relatively cheap contracts. 

[BigAl2526]

12 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I am not one who thinks the 40 time is the most important metric, but at CB I do think it matters some.  I wish Thomas were a smidge faster.

It matters more in man coverage than in zone.  It doesn't matter going against every receiver, but the margin for error shrinks for a CB when he is slower and/or smaller.  Thomas is not the slowest CB in the draft, but if skill set is similar, or course you pick the guy who is faster and more athletic. 

[biggerdaddynj]

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

There was a thread about Bills meeting with that DE from Arkansas "like 8 times," but the thread was deleted.

 

Was it a fake quote?

Saw that too and it was about Landon Jackson.  This might be the “source”:

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/buffalo-bills-top-prospect-draft-meeting-landon-jackson-edge-rusher-perfect-fit

Not crazy about him at 30 think there’s better value at CB or best case would be at DT (Grant!!).  I think Jackson goes in the 40s (not sure if that’s splitting hairs dropping ten spots or so).