Bills Related Draft News & Discussion

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

I wonder if McD's scheme asks too much of a 1 Tech DT?   

 

Is he supposed to stay home, clog gaps and absorb double teams so LBs stay clean and the rest of the DL can work?  Are we looking for a Ed Oliver clone, just a bit bigger?

 

Because if he's supposed to do everything from the 1 Tech spot, eat blocks, rush the passer effectively, soak up double teams...well yeah I'd love having Warren Sapp or Haloti Ngata or Cam Heyward on the DL but those dudes don't exactly fall off the back of the truck..

 

Warren sapp was a 3 tech but I get your point 

 

Linval Joseph , demata peko, Dexter Lawrence..  the first two were more classic run stuffers at the one tech, Lawrence is more of an attacker but all typically played a one technique

 

[BigdaddyinOrlando]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I don't think this was reported anywhere yet but I was told CB Shavon Revel will be one of our top 30 visits.

He is a solid down to earth young man. My step son just graduated from ECU and played baseball for them for four years and said they crossed paths many times and said he is a really good dude and grounded and focused! Would love to see him in a Bills uniform! If I’m not mistaken he was a walk on there and earned everything he has gotten!! 

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Beane found Benford in the 6th, think he can't find one with one of the 4th? I'm with @Warriorspikes51,get me Grant/Collins or the two DTs from Oregon with my first two picks. Safety or Edge with the 3rd pick. Dominant pressure on the QB is a CBs best friend 

 

Christian Benford is the exception, not the rule. It's like saying "Tom Brady was Drafted in the 6th, so you should be able to find a HOF QB in the 4th".

 

For every Christian Benford there was a Alex Austin, Rachad Wildgoose, Daequan Hardy, or Dane Jackson (who, while being a good pick in the 7th, isn't anything more than a subpar starter).

[SoonerBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Christian Benford is the exception, not the rule. It's like saying "Tom Brady was Drafted in the 6th, so you should be able to find a HOF QB in the 4th".

 

For every Christian Benford there was a Alex Austin, Rachad Wildgoose, Daequan Hardy, or Dane Jackson (who, while being a good pick in the 7th, isn't anything more than a subpar starter).

What CB is going to be there at 30 that can come in and start day 1?

 

I honestly want to know who that player is. 

[Dr. Who]

12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Christian Benford is the exception, not the rule. It's like saying "Tom Brady was Drafted in the 6th, so you should be able to find a HOF QB in the 4th".

 

For every Christian Benford there was a Alex Austin, Rachad Wildgoose, Daequan Hardy, or Dane Jackson (who, while being a good pick in the 7th, isn't anything more than a subpar starter).

No kidding. The folks who want to go CB at #30 emphasize the massive need at the position, and the relatively limited draft depth in comparison to DL (stipulating that is the likely alternative in the first.)

 

For those who think the need is dire, there isn't any room for prudential calculation. Myself, I believe if there is a fella who can genuinely stop the run and provide pass rush up the middle, you take that guy, because that kind of pressure helps the entire secondary. Is Grant or Harmon that player? Well, I like Grant, and I'd be very tempted to take him.

 

All that said, I think Amos and Revel are a step ahead of the likely alternatives with a chance to be there at #30. Would you rather bank one of them, and then "settle" for a Collins or a Farmer, who they seem to like, day 2? Maybe, but I'm not ready to just concede CB at #30.

Edited Tuesday at 10:36 PM by Dr. Who

[TheBeaneBandit]

15 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

What CB is going to be there at 30 that can come in and start day 1?

 

I honestly want to know who that player is. 

I believe there are about 6 who could start this year easily. I think only 2 of the 6 will realistically be available at 30 though. Amos or Hairston would be the 2 most likely to be available. Revel would also start if he is fully recovered. Hunter, Barron, and Johnson are all likely gone.

Edited Tuesday at 10:51 PM by TheBeaneBandit

[SoonerBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

I believe there are about 6 who could start this year easily. I think only 2 of the 6 will realistically be available at 30 though. Amos or Hairston would be the 2 most likely to be available. Revel would also start if he is fully recovered. Hunter, Barron, and Johnson are all likely gone.

The one I would say trade up for would be Barron. We got him in the 1st then a bigger DT who csn push the pocket  the 2nd, that's a big win imho

Edited Tuesday at 10:56 PM by SoonerBillsFan

[TheBeaneBandit]

4 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The one I would say trade up for would be Barron. We got him in the 1st then a bigger DT who csn push the pocket  the 2nd, that's a big win imho

I concur. We may just have to roll with the band aid that is Joey Bosa/Epinesa on one side for this year. Everybody wants DE,DT,CB,WR.... We realistically got to come to grips with even if we draft all four of those two of them are going to be projects at best

Edited Tuesday at 11:01 PM by TheBeaneBandit

[OldTimer1960]

34 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

No kidding. The folks who want to go CB at #30 emphasize the massive need at the position, and the relatively limited draft depth in comparison to DL (stipulating that is the likely alternative in the first.)

 

For those who think the need is dire, there isn't any room for prudential calculation. Myself, I believe if there is a fella who can genuinely stop the run and provide pass rush up the middle, you take that guy, because that kind of pressure helps the entire secondary. Is Grant or Harmon that player? Well, I like Grant, and I'd be very tempted to take him.

 

All that said, I think Amos and Revel are a step ahead of the likely alternatives with a chance to be there at #30. Would you rather bank one of them, and then "settle" for a Collins or a Farmer, who they seem to like, day 2? Maybe, but I'm not ready to just concede CB at #30.

I’m not conceding that they HAVE to take a CB at 30, but rather it’s a big problem if they don’t - unless they have a credible if aging vet lined up to sign if they don’t take a CB at 30.  I’ll admit that part of my hang up is that I would not want to part with pick 62 to move up far enough to take a CB by mid-2nd.  If they go DT first the candidates that seem to have any potential to start this year will likely be gone by 56.  If they go CB first, I am pretty confident that there will still be a decent 1T prospect at 56 or 62.

[SoonerBillsFan]

19 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

I concur. We may just have to roll with the band aid that is Joey Bosa/Epinesa on one side for this year. Everybody wants DE,DT,CB,WR.... We realistically got to come to grips with even if we draft all four of those two of them are going to be projects at best

I am of the school " Pressure from inside out".    So get the DT/CB combo and go from there.

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I am of the school " Pressure from inside out".    So get the DT/CB combo and go from there.

I think after rummaging through all this draft stuff that is probably the best approach if we can make it happen. 👍

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I’m not conceding that they HAVE to take a CB at 30, but rather it’s a big problem if they don’t - unless they have a credible if aging vet lined up to sign if they don’t take a CB at 30.  I’ll admit that part of my hang up is that I would not want to part with pick 62 to move up far enough to take a CB by mid-2nd.  If they go DT first the candidates that seem to have any potential to start this year will likely be gone by 56.  If they go CB first, I am pretty confident that there will still be a decent 1T prospect at 56 or 62.

Yes, I understand that reasoning. If you don't think the DT at #30 is special, you make that judgment. And then it depends on whose your last CB that could start. I'm not certain there's no one there at 56. Also, I don't like the desperation about CB. Beane has screwed up if he has forced his hand into having to secure one at #30. Paradoxically, perhaps, I wouldn't blame him if he made a small trade up for Barron if he fell close enough to grab.

[SoonerBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

I think after rummaging through all this draft stuff that is probably the best approach if we can make it happen. 👍

Too many times we create pressure from the outside, only to have Mahomes etal. Step up and either throw or run.  The way you beat him is the way NYG used to beat Brady.  Take away his pocket and put someone directly in his face.

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

No kidding. The folks who want to go CB at #30 emphasize the massive need at the position, and the relatively limited draft depth in comparison to DL (stipulating that is the likely alternative in the first.)

 

For those who think the need is dire, there isn't any room for prudential calculation. Myself, I believe if there is a fella who can genuinely stop the run and provide pass rush up the middle, you take that guy, because that kind of pressure helps the entire secondary. Is Grant or Harmon that player? Well, I like Grant, and I'd be very tempted to take him.

 

All that said, I think Amos and Revel are a step ahead of the likely alternatives with a chance to be there at #30. Would you rather bank one of them, and then "settle" for a Collins or a Farmer, who they seem to like, day 2? Maybe, but I'm not ready to just concede CB at #30.

 

I'm not saying pigeon hole a 1st Round Pick at any position. Obviously if the value isn't there at one position but is at another position of need, don't force a pick just bc you think one position is more of a need than the other. Find the best value at a position of need and make that your pick.

 

I'm just tired of seeing "well we got Benford in the 6th so you don't need to worry about CB with any of the picks on Day 1 and Day 2". It's like winning a lot of money on a $1 scratch off and expecting that's going to happen every time you buy a Lucky 7.

Edited yesterday at 12:22 AM by BillsFanForever19

[SoTier]

5 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Remember the Legion of Doom in Seattle?  Two of them,  Sherman and Chancelor, were 5th-round picks.  For others, not you, to say we can't find quality like that in later rounds is incorrect. 

 

 

I think a big difference between first round CBs and Day 2 or 3 CBs is that the first rounders tend to be bigger.   Obviously speed counts, too, but it's more common to find smaller, speedy CBs in the middle rounds with excellent instincts who go on to become good/excellent starters than at many other positions ... and many of these players become starters right out of the gate.

 

 

5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

if we take massive DT’s early, at worst they are immediately helping us stop the run. D is better instantly. At best, they collapse pockets and wreck games. D is elite.

 

if we take a CB early….the player’s floor is MUCH lower IMO. Especially after the Elam experiment

 

I totally disagree.    No draft pick comes with a guarantee, even a first round DT ... and FTR, McDermott's first pick in 2017 was Tre White who started every game as a rookie and became an All Pro CB before injuries wrecked his career.

[TheBeaneBandit]

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I'm not saying pigeon hole a 1st Round Pick at any position. Obviously if the value isn't there at one position but is at another position of need, don't force a pick just bc you think one position is in more of a need than the other. Find the best value at a position of need and make that your pick.

 

I'm just tired of seeing "well we got Benford in the 6th so you don't need to worry about CB with any of the picks on Day 1 and Day 2". It's like winning a lot of money on a $1 scratch off and expecting that's going to happen every time you buy a Lucky 7.

Yes that's a BS strategy. You only find a Benford or Milano every 4 or 5 years.

[SoTier]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I'm not saying pigeon hole a 1st Round Pick at any position. Obviously if the value isn't there at one position but is at another position of need, don't force a pick just bc you think one position is in more of a need than the other. Find the best value at a position of need and make that your pick.

 

 

That's my position on the draft too.  Whether to go CB or DT or  WR in the first round depends upon who's available.  Don't pass on a better CB prospect to take a lesser DT prospect ... or vice versa.

[Dr. Who]

9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I'm not saying pigeon hole a 1st Round Pick at any position. Obviously if the value isn't there at one position but is at another position of need, don't force a pick just bc you think one position is in more of a need than the other. Find the best value at a position of need and make that your pick.

 

I'm just tired of seeing "well we got Benford in the 6th so you don't need to worry about CB with any of the picks on Day 1 and Day 2". It's like winning a lot of money on a $1 scratch off and expecting that's going to happen every time you buy a Lucky 7.

Right, that's why I said "no kidding." I understand the frustration. I just happen to have my favorites. I like Grant at DT, Barron, Amos, and Revel at CB. Maybe can get one of them.

[Bill51390]

If one of the DTs we want is there at 30 take him and then consider moving our seconds to get back towards the top of the 2nd round for one of the CBs. Fill two glaring needs. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

11 minutes ago, Bill51390 said:

If one of the DTs we want is there at 30 take him and then consider moving our seconds to get back towards the top of the 2nd round for one of the CBs. Fill two glaring needs. 

That's definitely one of my top strategies. I hate the idea of a first-round cornerback but if we don't do that then we're definitely going to have to move up probably a pretty good bit in the second round to get one.