Bills Related Draft News & Discussion

[BillsFanForever19]

22 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

I don’t think we should shy away from Harmon just because he doesn’t fit the “true 1 tech” narrative…

 

Bottom line- talent is talent, and definitely worth our first round selection if he’s there at 30…

 

At worst, he would be an upgrade over Oliver…

 

If you think he can play 1T, sure. But if he's strictly a 3T, then we'd be looking at:

 

3T:

Oliver 

Harmon

Ogunjobi

Carter 

 

1T:

Jones

 

I don't see them looking to "upgrade Ed Oliver" with our 1st Round Pick. Oliver isn't going anywhere this year and they aren't going to make him the backup.

 

I think with Ogunjobi's suspension and Carter having an unimpressive Rookie season, Drafting a 3T is fine. Round 1 to rotate with Oliver when we have multiple starting needs elsewhere though? I don't see it.

 

Imo - Jones shouldn't even be on this team. Let alone starting. Right now, not only is he starting, we have no one to rotate him with.

 

I had hoped Ogunjobi might be used primarily as a 1T on this team, as he did play Nose in Cleveland - but it appears that's not how they view him.

 

 

Edited Monday at 11:45 PM by BillsFanForever19

[DJB]

If the Bills view Ogunjobi as a 3T it tells me that they probably only see Grant as the only round 1 1T available. Which means we are likely going DT in round 2 and taking the best corner in round 1

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:37 AM by DJB

[DCofNC]

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

Great poast

There is never a bad time to land a franchise QB, even if it’s only as trade bait.

[SoTier]

48 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

There is never a bad time to land a franchise QB, even if it’s only as trade bait.

 

Except when there isn't a franchise QB to be had.   This is not the draft to be in need of a franchise QB, maybe not even a backup.

[gonzo1105]

People need to realize the Bills don’t prefer big space eaters even at 1T. Harmon or other guys in the 310 range could easily play the 1 here. I think it’s possible you see Carter playing both this year with more 1T than last year 

[Warriorspikes51]

35 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

People need to realize the Bills don’t prefer big space eaters even at 1T. Harmon or other guys in the 310 range could easily play the 1 here. I think it’s possible you see Carter playing both this year with more 1T than last year 

 

No. The Bills need to realize the interior DL needs to get MUCH BIGGER and POWERFUL or this team will come up short again 

[gonzo1105]

6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

No. The Bills need to realize the interior DL needs to get MUCH BIGGER and POWERFUL or this team will come up short again 

It doesn’t matter what you want though.  They drafted Phillips at 1T and he’s 307 pounds. Jones is 315, the only big 1T we had was Star and people got mad because he couldnt rush the passer or make splash plays for the about we were paying him. 
 

They want DL at every position who has movement skills and can rush the passer. That’s more important to them than clogging a run lane. Grant fits that because he has movement ability but fatties like Desmond Watson provide nothing to the Bills 

[nosejob]

If Grant , Harmon and Nolen are gone, I could see Beane trading back a little for a 3rd. Then? Collins, Walker, Porter?

Edited Monday at 02:28 PM by nosejob

[gonzo1105]

12 minutes ago, nosejob said:

If Grant , Harmon and Nolen are gone, I could see Beane trading back a little for a 3rd. Then? Collins, Walker, Porter?

Whenever I do my mock drafts or start one I continuously feel like an Alfred Collins, Tyleik Williams type will be available at 56. It seems like they love Josh Farmer though who would prob be a 3T who could play some 1.  As I do it as well I keep having Grant dropping everyone that I do. I don’t think Harmon will be available and I don’t think Nolan is their type of guy 

[Warriorspikes51]

56 minutes ago, nosejob said:

If Grant , Harmon and Nolen are gone, I could see Beane trading back a little for a 3rd. Then? Collins, Walker, Porter?

Draft Grant & Collins.   

 

Or Harmon & Caldwell. 

 

Immediately transforms the defense having 1 or both on the field at all times IMO

[nosejob]

13 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Draft Grant & Collins.   

 

Or Harmon & Caldwell. 

 

Immediately transforms the defense having 1 or both on the field at all times IMO

I m praying it's either of these. Will Burch make it to 109?  lol

Edited Monday at 03:39 PM by nosejob

[wppete]

1 hour ago, nosejob said:

If Grant , Harmon and Nolen are gone, I could see Beane trading back a little for a 3rd. Then? Collins, Walker, Porter?

I don’t see how drafting Nolen makes sense. He is a carbon copy player of Ed Oliver. We have enough 3 Tech guys on this team. We need some big 1 Tech guys at DT. 

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

If you think he can play 1T, sure. But if he's strictly a 3T

 

 

I don't think Harmon is strictly a 3T. My guess is he ends up playing more 1T than 3T in his NFL career. 

[wppete]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

If you think he can play 1T, sure. But if he's strictly a 3T, then we'd be looking at:

 

3T:

Oliver 

Harmon

Ogunjobi

Carter 

 

1T:

Jones

 

I don't see them looking to "upgrade Ed Oliver" with our 1st Round Pick. Oliver isn't going anywhere this year and they aren't benching him.

 

I think with Ogunjobi's suspension and Carter having an unimpressive Rookie season, Drafting a 3T is fine. Round 1 with the multiple needs we have elsewhere though? I don't see it.

 

Imo - Jones shouldn't even be on this team. Let alone starting. Right now, not only is he starting, we have no one to rotate him with.

 

I had hoped Ogunjobi might be used primarily as a 1T on this team, as he did play Nose in Cleveland - but it appears that's not how they view him.

 

 

I think the 3 realistic 1 TECH monster DTs we should be looking at in this draft are these guys in this order. All or them are monsters over 335lbs. Run stuffers with pass rush potential. 

 

1.

2.

3.

 

[stlbills13]

I think the biggest thing we accomplished in free agency is we didn't force ourselves to lock into a certain position with our 1st round pick. There are certainly upgrades needed at DE, DT, CB but our hand is not forced  to take one specific position. 

[Low Positive]

As a fan who never played football at any level. I don't remember hearing about 1Ts and 3Ts until the lead-up to the 2019 draft. Now we're hearing about this again because it appears that the Bills are in the DT market. The way I understand it is that a 1T lines up over the center more or less. In other words, a NT in a 3-4. A 3T lines up over one of the guards. Then, the DE/EDGE guys line up against the OTs. So, in the run game the 1T is primarily responsible for clogging up the middle and stopping any runs through the A gap. Am I correct in this? 

[JaCrispy]

9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

If you think he can play 1T, sure. But if he's strictly a 3T, then we'd be looking at:

 

3T:

Oliver 

Harmon

Ogunjobi

Carter 

 

1T:

Jones

 

I don't see them looking to "upgrade Ed Oliver" with our 1st Round Pick. Oliver isn't going anywhere this year and they aren't benching him.

 

I think with Ogunjobi's suspension and Carter having an unimpressive Rookie season, Drafting a 3T is fine. Round 1 with the multiple needs we have elsewhere though? I don't see it.

 

Imo - Jones shouldn't even be on this team. Let alone starting. Right now, not only is he starting, we have no one to rotate him with.

 

I had hoped Ogunjobi might be used primarily as a 1T on this team, as he did play Nose in Cleveland - but it appears that's not how they view him.

 

 

I would see it more of Harmon being a more athletic 1 tech/3 tech, with the strength and power to hold his own…I envision he and Oliver switching back and forth at 1 tech/3 tech…

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

As a fan who never played football at any level. I don't remember hearing about 1Ts and 3Ts until the lead-up to the 2019 draft. Now we're hearing about this again because it appears that the Bills are in the DT market. The way I understand it is that a 1T lines up over the center more or less. In other words, a NT in a 3-4. A 3T lines up over one of the guards. Then, the DE/EDGE guys line up against the OTs. So, in the run game the 1T is primarily responsible for clogging up the middle and stopping any runs through the A gap. Am I correct in this? 

 

Almost. A zero is actually lining up right on the nose, over the center. That is more of a 3-4 alignment thing. The 1T plays in the A gap between centre and guard, primarily to the weakside of the formation (i.e. side where the tight end isn't) and then your 3T plays in the B gap between the guard and the tackle, primarily to the strong side of the formation. But yea, a good 1T can generally absorb a double team from the C and the G and still occupy that gap forcing a back to bounce into the B gap where hopefully you have your linebackers attacking the play. 

Edited Monday at 05:00 PM by GunnerBill

[nosejob]

23 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

As a fan who never played football at any level. I don't remember hearing about 1Ts and 3Ts until the lead-up to the 2019 draft. Now we're hearing about this again because it appears that the Bills are in the DT market. The way I understand it is that a 1T lines up over the center more or less. In other words, a NT in a 3-4. A 3T lines up over one of the guards. Then, the DE/EDGE guys line up against the OTs. So, in the run game the 1T is primarily responsible for clogging up the middle and stopping any runs through the A gap. Am I correct in this? 

IMO 1T...3T no difference. We need the highest ranked penetration guys we can get.  We don't need a tub of goo to plug up holes and blah,blah. we need pocket collapsing monsters.  Our 1T DQ got handled one on one and Ed got doubled. 

Edited Monday at 05:04 PM by nosejob

[balln]

31 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:

I think the biggest thing we accomplished in free agency is we didn't force ourselves to lock into a certain position with our 1st round pick. There are certainly upgrades needed at DE, DT, CB but our hand is not forced  to take one specific position. 

Feeeeels like it’s forced to take a corner