Bills Related Draft News & Discussion

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 hour ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

I would be thrilled with that.  When one comes off, move up and get the other!

I'm totally good with doing it as well. Dark horse pic in case the defensive tackles come off the board like hot cakes would obviously be wide receiver or defensive end. I don't want to be left with the scraps with both of them second round picks.

[Dan in Owego]

If a certain CB from Michigan falls past 18, you might want to perk your ears up Beane could make a move.

[OldTimer1960]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

awful feeling for him 

As long as it’s a hamstring and not a knee, hip or ankle I don’t think that this will cause him to slide very far.  His game is power and I think there is enough tape vs top competition to show he can play the role of a run stopping 1T.  I don’t think he was going to convince anyone that he has a ton of pass rush potential with his 40.

[OldTimer1960]

1 minute ago, Dan in Owego said:

If a certain CB from Michigan falls past 18, you might want to perk your ears up Beane could make a move.

Do you mean the Michigan CB who hasn’t done any workouts/drills?  I agree that he is a good prospect, but for a CB not to run and do the jumps and agility drills It seems a bit of a red flag.  Could be he has a minor, but legitimate, injury but it could also be that he knows he won’t time well.  I would happily take him at 30 but I would be hard pressed to give up a lot (likely pick 62) to move to 18 without knowing how fast/explosive/agile he is.

[947]

It's really stupid that they have 300+lb linemen running the 40. They will never run even 20 yards in their entire career. They should do a 10 yard drill for the Bigs that measures the initial quickness/explosiveness that actually matters for their positions.

[LEBills]

1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

 

And Alfred Collins was in a walking boot at his pro day and Deone Walker reported he was playing through a “pars defect” last season which is a small crack between two vertebrae.

[SoonerBillsFan]

23 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Do you mean the Michigan CB who hasn’t done any workouts/drills?  I agree that he is a good prospect, but for a CB not to run and do the jumps and agility drills It seems a bit of a red flag.  Could be he has a minor, but legitimate, injury but it could also be that he knows he won’t time well.  I would happily take him at 30 but I would be hard pressed to give up a lot (likely pick 62) to move to 18 without knowing how fast/explosive/agile he is.

If he won't test, then I dont draft him.  Look I go by film first, but as you said that raises red flags.

1 minute ago, LEBills said:

And Alfred Collins was in a walking boot at his pro day and Deone Walker reported he was playing through a “pars defect” last season which is a small crack between two vertebrae.

I need an MRI on Williams, Collins and Walker. I am not big on taking someone in the first with injuries*

 

 

[TheBeaneBandit]

14 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

If he won't test, then I dont draft him.  Look I go by film first, but as you said that raises red flags.

I need an MRI on Williams, Collins and Walker. I am not big on taking someone in the first with injuries*

 

 

Williams or Collins are both second rounders and Walker is a fourth or fifth rounder.

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Williams or Collins are both second rounders and Walker is a fourth or fifth rounder.

I'm fine with that.  

[HappyDays]

He'll be off our board if this is true.

[gonzo1105]

Apparently Tyleik Williams is fine. He had a scare but came back out to watch 

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

He'll be off our board if this is true.

He’s a good but overrated prospect to begin with and this doesn’t help 

[NI Bills Fan]

38 minutes ago, 947 said:

It's really stupid that they have 300+lb linemen running the 40. They will never run even 20 yards in their entire career. They should do a 10 yard drill for the Bigs that measures the initial quickness/explosiveness that actually matters for their positions.

Exactly. Jordan Phillips tried it once and look how that turned out.

[HappyDays]

24 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

He’s a good but overrated prospect to begin with and this doesn’t help 

 

Yeah he's not the type of WR I'm interested in to fill out our room. Either a pure outside separator or a vertical threat, ideally both. Burden is another slot YAC guy. Reminds me of Laviska Shenault coming out, or Treylon Burks. There's a narrow path to success for that archetype of WR.

 

In general I don't see any WRs that would excite me with our 1st round pick. None of the realistic options really fit what we need. I continue to believe it is a major position of need for our roster but I can't convince myself to fall in love with any of these guys. Even Matthew Golden, I like him but it feels like we'd have to pass on a potentially elite talent to reach for him at #30. At this point I'm in favor of best CB or best DL available at #30, and then take a WR with one of our 2nd round picks where the value matches up better.

[OldTimer1960]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah he's not the type of WR I'm interested in to fill out our room. Either a pure outside separator or a vertical threat, ideally both. Burden is another slot YAC guy. Reminds me of Laviska Shenault coming out, or Treylon Burks. There's a narrow path to success for that archetype of WR.

 

In general I don't see any WRs that would excite me with our 1st round pick. None of the realistic options really fit what we need. I continue to believe it is a major position of need for our roster but I can't convince myself to fall in love with any of these guys. Even Matthew Golden, I like him but it feels like we'd have to pass on a potentially elite talent to reach for him at #30. At this point I'm in favor of best CB or best DL available at #30, and then take a WR with one of our 2nd round picks where the value matches up better.

I'm with you on not being a big fan of Luther Burden, but I think he is a better prospect than was Shenault or Burks.  He is verifiably fast, has a solid build and has demonstrated agility/shiftiness.  Still, if he quit on his team that's not "Bills DNA".

 

Like you, I don't see any WR who could be available that I would say can't be passed on.  Golden is fine and I wouldn't complain if they took him, but I don't think he would help the team more than improving the DL or finding a potential starting CB would.  Unlike you, I think it will be surprising if any WR is available at 56 or 62 that is really interesting.  Jake Bech - maybe, Jayden Higgins - probably, but he won't be there, Isaiah Bond - depends what CB, DT, DE is there.  

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I think it will be surprising if any WR is available at 56 or 62 that is really interesting.  Jake Bech - maybe, Jayden Higgins - probably, but he won't be there, Isaiah Bond - depends what CB, DT, DE is there.  

 

I've grown to like Bond, he makes Curtis Samuel kind of redundant but it's not like Samuel did anything last year to prevent us from drafting a similar skill set. Higgins too I'd be very happy with but like you said he's not likely to be there. Is #62 too early to draft Kyle Williams? He's really the archetype of what I'm looking for in this draft. Most mocks have him as a 4th rounder but who knows how teams have these guys graded. His talent certainly jumps off the screen.

[Buffalo716]

30 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah he's not the type of WR I'm interested in to fill out our room. Either a pure outside separator or a vertical threat, ideally both. Burden is another slot YAC guy. Reminds me of Laviska Shenault coming out, or Treylon Burks. There's a narrow path to success for that archetype of WR.

 

In general I don't see any WRs that would excite me with our 1st round pick. None of the realistic options really fit what we need. I continue to believe it is a major position of need for our roster but I can't convince myself to fall in love with any of these guys. Even Matthew Golden, I like him but it feels like we'd have to pass on a potentially elite talent to reach for him at #30. At this point I'm in favor of best CB or best DL available at #30, and then take a WR with one of our 2nd round picks where the value matches up better.

He's a much much better route runner than shenault and Burks .. he's also a lot faster than shenault..  realistically the only thing similar is how their schools used them but that doesn't mean they are the same

 

Missouri used him so awfully because they have never gotten a top 10 recruit and their quarterback was streaky

 

They literally got him and put a square peg into a round hole.. he has a lot of route running savviness that you never got to see because they turned him into that type of player because they had to get their best player the ball

 

If he was at LSU or a lot of other schools he gets to showcase his actual wide receiver skills more

 

I've seen him a lot growing up and he certainly has a lot more than what he showcased, he got pigeon holed... But he's an elite tracker of the football with soft hands with a lot of route running upside 

 

Elite tracker of the football is huge at the next level

Edited Wednesday at 07:42 PM by Buffalo716

[gonzo1105]

58 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I'm with you on not being a big fan of Luther Burden, but I think he is a better prospect than was Shenault or Burks.  He is verifiably fast, has a solid build and has demonstrated agility/shiftiness.  Still, if he quit on his team that's not "Bills DNA".

 

Like you, I don't see any WR who could be available that I would say can't be passed on.  Golden is fine and I wouldn't complain if they took him, but I don't think he would help the team more than improving the DL or finding a potential starting CB would.  Unlike you, I think it will be surprising if any WR is available at 56 or 62 that is really interesting.  Jake Bech - maybe, Jayden Higgins - probably, but he won't be there, Isaiah Bond - depends what CB, DT, DE is there.  

I think the Bills range will be right around where Bond goes.  I disagree on the WR thing. I think there is going to be some guys there and they might pull the trigger in round 2 but I think I’d still rather see DT, CB, DE with the first 3 picks then pivot and take WR at 109 or 132 because I think the strength of the WR class is in that range more so than round 2

[947]

Maybe this Burden news will drop him well into the 2nd. Every year there's a guy or 2 who drops in the Draft for minor concerns & some other team gets an absolute steal. Why not us?

 

I still think he'd be a great fit, he is not a Slot.

[Dr. Who]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

He's a much much better route runner than shenault and Burks .. he's also a lot faster than shenault..  realistically the only thing similar is how their schools used them but that doesn't mean they are the same

 

Missouri used him so awfully because they have never gotten a top 10 recruit and their quarterback was streaky

 

They literally got him and put a square peg into a round hole.. he has a lot of route running savviness that you never got to see because they turned him into that type of player because they had to get their best player the ball

 

If he was at LSU or a lot of other schools he gets to showcase his actual wide receiver skills more

 

I've seen him a lot growing up and he certainly has a lot more than what he showcased, he got pigeon holed... But he's an elite tracker of the football with soft hands with a lot of route running upside 

 

Elite tracker of the football is huge at the next level

Dammit, you and Happy are two of the fellas I trust for insight. 

[Buffalo716]

19 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Dammit, you and Happy are two of the fellas I trust for insight. 

He definitely didn't have the season I thought he would have but the talent is still  really really good

 

And it's just dropping him to a slot where the bills could realistically draft him

 

Now does he match with the personalities the bills look for.. maybe not 

 

I also don't personally know the kid so who knows how much or little of a diva he actually is 

 

But we took keon Coleman 33.. I think burden is a better prospect for sure with a really good skill set

Edited Wednesday at 09:36 PM by Buffalo716