Bills Related Draft News & Discussion

[Simon]

24 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Defensive tackles take a long time to develop as compared to most, if not all non QB positions. As for CBs, there is much more contact permitted than in previous years. Later round corners will know how to grab and hold. The NFL is now an offensive league. It is not the type of football that I prefer but it is the truth. We have a GREAT QB and since McDermott traded away the pick for Mahomes, a solid argument can be made that we lucked into him. Josh needs better tools and continued great protection. 

 

@Simondoes not want us to bring up past draft debacles and he is probably right, in that many posters have very selective memories and simply look past the proven past results of the Bills investing in ill advised first round secondary selections. Either way, I hope that whatever McDermott decides does work and wins us a Super Bowl. 

 

1 minute ago, BigDingus said:

 

Exactly. And people have a hard time recognizing that more talent on D has not changed playoff results. 

 

Like we all agree prime Hyde & Poyer were one of the best safety duos in the league, right? They're a big upgrade over Hamlin & Rapp, right? 

 

Yet when it came to playing against KC in the playoffs, the end result was exactly the same. So even if we drafted or signed 2 huge talents at safety, it's still the same McDermott defense & same McDermott play calling. 

 

Now go to other positions. How great did our D look with prime Tre White? What about with a younger Matt Milano & Edmunds? Did anything change in the playoffs, or did they still get walked all over? 

 

And after the last divisional round lost, we complained about injuries, and needing Ed & Groot & Jones to make a bigger impact. We had the healthiest D we've had this past AFCCG, and they looked just as bad. 

 

Now some of that was Elam sucking as usual when Benford was out, but I'm not convinced continously investing more high round picks in D will tip the scales. 

 

Successful teams aren't just the best at everything. They do something great & best optimize the rest around them. If we're stuck with McDermott, our best chance is to set Josh up for success & give him as many weapons & as much protection as possible. It's gotta go through him. 

 

You can work to improve the D as much as possible in the meantime, but offense has to be the priority. The D did not get us to the AFCCG last year. The D didn't make Josh the MVP. I'm not saying ignore the D, but stop doing the same thing every year and hoping the end result will be different in the playoffs.

 

Andy Reid is a better Offensive coach than McDermott is a Defensive coach. Our best chance to win is hoping Josh & Brady can tip the scales.

 

And this is why I put that request up.

We have ONE thread pinned dedicated to talking about this draft, yet here you guys go dragging it into the weeds with the other 100 threads about past drafts, Bills coaches, the KC game, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Folks deserve to have one thread where they can go read about and discuss the draft without having to wade through dozens of repeated posts that can be found anywhere else in the forum.

PLEASE leave this ONE thread alone with all those rehashes and allow folks to have a place to conveniently read and discuss that subject.

[Breakout Squad]

55 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

What if Shedeur Sanders is their best player available on their board when they pick at #30?  Still going by your BPA philosophy?

C’mon use common sense it’s not rocket science. Is it really that difficult to understand drafting BPA over need? Obviously they’re not taking a QB in the 1st round. Goodness gracious. 

[Doc Brown]

17 hours ago, Breakout Squad said:

Draft BPA. Even if it’s an offensive lineman. Drafting for need can backfire and as much as I like Beane he has reached based on need in the past. 

 

3 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:

C’mon use common sense it’s not rocket science. Is it really that difficult to understand drafting BPA over need? Obviously they’re not taking a QB in the 1st round. Goodness gracious. 

So, BPA at certain positions then.  What positions would you not take BPA besides QB?

[Pete]

9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

 

So, BPA at certain positions then.  What positions would you not take BPA besides QB?

OL, QB, RB

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

What if Shedeur Sanders is their best player available on their board when they pick at #30?  Still going by your BPA philosophy?

He won’t be. Probably not even on the board. 

[SoCal Deek]

11 minutes ago, Pete said:

OL, QB, RB

also….TE and WR

essentially anyone on offense 

[Pete]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

also….TE and WR

essentially anyone on offense 

We need TE3 and WR2

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Pete said:

We need TE3 and WR2

I’m not taking 3rd string TE with my first round pick just because he’s the Best Player Available. And I seriously the doubt that the BPA will be a WR when we pick at 30.

[Pete]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not taking 3rd string TE with my first round pick just because he’s the Best Player Available. And I seriously the doubt that the BPA will be a WR when we pick at 30.

Its BPA every pick, every round.  There is going to be two TEs drafted in the first round.  More athletic and physical.  We can improve upon TE position.  There is zero chance the Bills have TEs rated higher than DE on their 1st round board IMO

 

Edited Monday at 07:44 PM by Pete

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, Pete said:

Its BPA every pick, every round.  There is going to be two TEs drafted in the first round.  More athletic and physical.  We can improve upon TE position.  There is zero chance the Bills have TEs rated higher than DE on their 1st round board IMO

 

Yes, round by round it changes for sure, but about the only somewhat predictable round is the First and maybe the second. After that, EVERY team is essentially picking what they believe are the best players available. 

[947]

There's a very real possibility that Luther Burden is BPA at #30. I'd be OK with taking him, as long as we took CB & DL in the 2nd.

[Alphadawg7]

I feel like this has to be said to a lot of people every single draft season...some of you need to stop taking BPA so literal.  BPA does not mean the literal best player still available regardless of position.  Team needs is 100% part of the equation when it comes to BPA.  That is universally true for every GM and team. 

 

So when it is being discussed that we should stick to BPA...that BPA is going to consist of players at positions where we have reasonable reasons to select said position at that stage of the draft.  And for the Bills that is likely going to be a WR, DB, or DL when talking round 1.  

 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

If the 30th BPA avail is a QB, then you take the 31st BPA-problem solved!

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Is there potential on Matthew Golden still being there for us?

If he drops to 30 Beane and Veach can do the funniest thing ever.

[DJB]

Other than the Landon Jackson tweet has there been any actual Bills related news in here ? Lol

[HappyDays]

Chris Simms put out his top 5 WR rankings. As usual they're quite different from the consensus:

 

As a point of reference, Simms last year went viral for ranking Brian Thomas 2nd over Harrison and Odunze. Naturally he is taking victory laps over that prediction. But he also once left both Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson out of his top 5, so take his bold rankings for what they're worth.

 

This list did prompt me to look more into Kyle Williams. I now really like him as a high 4th or even late 3rd round option if we trade up. He's somewhat of a one year wonder and a bit of an older prospect, but he would give our WR room a vertical threat that doesn't currently exist on the roster. His separation and YAC ability are for real - he has rare acceleration out of route breaks and after catching the ball. He does a good job setting his CB up with footwork and head fakes to create sudden vertical separation.

 

 

Of course there are a few weaknesses which is why he is projected as a 4th rounder. His frame may make it difficult to get through press coverage so there is a concern he would be a slot only at the next level. He is a body catcher so drops pop up more frequently than you'd like. He is not really functional as a run blocker. He has a tendency to drift upfield into coverage instead of coming back to the ball and in general lacks some of the precision that you need to be a high volume target in the NFL.

 

There is certainly a lot of refinement needed but early in his career he could at least be a strategically deployed deep and YAC threat, almost like how the Broncos have used Marvin Mims, and there is a lot of upside to get excited about.

 

Edited Monday at 09:16 PM by HappyDays

[Cray51]

28 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I feel like this has to be said to a lot of people every single draft season...some of you need to stop taking BPA so literal.  BPA does not mean the literal best player still available regardless of position.  Team needs is 100% part of the equation when it comes to BPA.  That is universally true for every GM and team. 

 

So when it is being discussed that we should stick to BPA...that BPA is going to consist of players at positions where we have reasonable reasons to select said position at that stage of the draft.  And for the Bills that is likely going to be a WR, DB, or DL when talking round 1.  

 

 

Exactly.  Every GM is taking a view of their roster and saying "I want the best guy at my pick, within the realm of reasonability given the current roster".  Bills wont be taking TE (heavy investment there already), Tackle (locked down contracts), QB (Allen), RB (Cook/Davis) at #30.  They will view BPA against need and draft.

 

I'm not sure why people dont understand this as you said

[TheyCallMeAndy]

45 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

If the 30th BPA avail is a QB, then you take the 31st BPA-problem solved!

What if it's a OT?

[gonzo1105]

Xavier Restrepo reportedly ran in the 4.8s today. Yikes 

[3rdand12]

6 hours ago, wppete said:

If he is there with one of our 4th round picks this would be a great pick. A tall field stretcher with speed. We need a guy like this. 

Thanks to Alpha and you for this.

 We do need a Guy like that by coincidence !