NoSaint Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 8 hours ago, RyanC883 said: would be interesting to see a list that excludes "non-QB" pay. To spend this much without a #1 WR is weird. when you pay 3 guys as wr2, and your backup te as te1 plus bookend tackles 2 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago (edited) 7 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: The OL, RB room, and TE situation are all good. And Josh is an elite talent who receives elite pay. But Josh needs downfield weapons to throw to. We don't have a lot of money invested there and it shows. And, yeah, Beane does overpay sometimes. If Texas WR Matthew Golden is there when they pick, Beane better hit the draft button like we mash the F5 button waiting for impending Bills news... Edited 4 hours ago by Big Turk 1 Quote
Dr. Who Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 11 minutes ago, NoSaint said: when you pay 3 guys as wr2, and your backup te as te1 plus bookend tackles Expenditure is not a reliable metric, yet those who just can't get it probably won't. Yes, it was very smart and necessary to build the o-line. That doesn't mean one should then suppose it's fine to consistently ask the best qb in the league to elevate a mediocre WR room (in a good year). Having superior talent at WR would increase your margins for attaining victory, increase explosive plays, and chances of winning in the post-season where elite talent makes clutch plays in big moments. And for the folks that can only think in very simple binary logic, that doesn't mean you should ignore the defense. Edited 3 hours ago by Dr. Who Quote
Mister Defense Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 5 hours ago, Mikie2times said: Our roster has the least amount of All Pro and Pro Bowl accolades of any of the perennial contenders. People here assume it's top 10 because we win a lot. According to everybody's opinion on this site Josh Allen is the best QB in football. We consistently come up short in the playoffs against elite teams. So we come up short against the best teams, with the best QB, one of the best rosters, AND one of the best coaches OR we are team that dominates turnovers with an elite QB and not a whole lot more? The reality is plenty of very logical paths exist to suggest we have talent issues. People just know once that is introduced it sort of undermines a lot of the things people like to protect around here. Shoot, after reading this post I wonder what would happen if the Bills had good talent on offense... Would they be better than the 2nd best scoring offense in the NFL, as they were last year? Or better than one of the best points per drive in NFL history? Maybe then the Bills would be able to beat the elite teams, at least on occasion, like the Ravens, Lions, Chiefs...? I would love to have that happen, just on occasion, as they always come up short when they do play the better, elite teams. Maybe next year Beane will get some talent on offense that can beat a high level team, or two, score a slew of points, and challenge for a championship. But looking at last year, and his history, who would ever be that naive? Edited 3 hours ago by Mister Defense Quote
Dr. Who Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, Mister Defense said: Shoot, after reading this post I wander what would happen if the Bills had good talent on offense, ... Would they be better than the 2nd best scoring offense in the NFL, as they were last year? Or better than one of the best points per drive in NFL history? Maybe then the Bills would be able to beat the elite teams, at least on occasion, like the Ravens, Lions, Chiefs...? I would love to have that happen, just on occasion, as they always come up short when they do play the better, elite teams. Maybe next year Beane will get some talent on offense that can beat a high level team, or two, score a slew of points, and challenge for a championship. But looking at last year, and his history, who would ever be that naive? We'll see if they can replicate the very wide turnover margins with an offense that has to matriculate down the field, because they don't have a fella that can scare the defense and win as a boundary receiver that can separate. Maybe Palmer gives them that; at minimum, they need him to play that role sufficiently to make the opposing defense respect that dimension of the offense. 1 Quote
Mister Defense Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: We'll see if they can replicate the very wide turnover margins with an offense that has to matriculate down the field, because they don't have a fella that can scare the defense and win as a boundary receiver that can separate. Maybe Palmer gives them that; at minimum, they need him to play that role sufficiently to make the opposing defense respect that dimension of the offense. I think almost everyone who watched this kick a*s offense last year would agree that adding a fast wideout who could get down field and separate would take it to another level. Once they get that, in my view, they may become the best offense ever. Without it though, they still may become that this year, but less likely. Edited 3 hours ago by Mister Defense 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mister Defense said: Shoot, after reading this post I wonder what would happen if the Bills had good talent on offense... Would they be better than the 2nd best scoring offense in the NFL, as they were last year? Or better than one of the best points per drive in NFL history? Maybe then the Bills would be able to beat the elite teams, at least on occasion, like the Ravens, Lions, Chiefs...? I would love to have that happen, just on occasion, as they always come up short when they do play the better, elite teams. Maybe next year Beane will get some talent on offense that can beat a high level team, or two, score a slew of points, and challenge for a championship. But looking at last year, and his history, who would ever be that naive? Jim Kelly reminds you that we owned the NFC in the 90’s. Problem is you can only hang so many regular season banners. Hell, at least that team made the Super Bowl. You can keep arguing that we have the best everything, QB, roster, coach, GM, eventually that should at least get you one AFC championship if it was true right? Edited 3 hours ago by Mikie2times Quote
Mister Defense Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Mikie2times said: Jim Kelly reminds you that we owned the NFC in the 90’s. Problem is you can only hang so many regular season banners. Hell, at least that team made the Super Bowl. You can keep arguing that we have the best everything, QB, roster, coach, GM, eventually that should at least get you one AFC championship if it was true right? Well, I do not think the Bills had the "best everything" last year, as they had a paper tiger of a defense, poor at stopping 3rd down conversions, and at giving up big plays, and not good at stopping the run. I was not happy with this, but figured they would muddle through until next year, with the high level offense rising to the occasion. (I always want my team to have a great defense. When I was born my mom took one look at my mug, saw this in my eyes, and hence my name.) They were a team that was at the very least in a big tweak year, if not a mini rebuild. But they made it to the AFC Championship game, and were leading the two time defending Super Bowl champions in their own house, late in the 4th quarter. They did that with a defense that was not high level, clearly in need of major changes in the secondary and defensive line, something Beane and McDermott are well aware of. And with those clear and obvious defensive problems, they were a whisper away from winning the game and heading to the Super Bowl--without their best CB, one of the top corners in the game, and without their best starting safety. Those were tremendous obstacles, as they were playing against the three time SB champions and two time MVP, someone most already consider to be one of the top 2-3 quarterbacks in league history. It is a game, and sometimes the ball doesn't bounce the right way. But with this Bills team, with a better defense next year, and an offense on the cusp of greatness, it is hard for me to imagine them not being the team to beat in the AFC. Edited 2 hours ago by Mister Defense Quote
Thurman#1 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 10 hours ago, DJB said: Does this blow up the narrative that the Bills aren’t “helping Allen”? Or does it create new ones that he is getting help? Or that the $ being allocated on offense isn’t being properly used and it reflects on Beane? Narratives are not allowed to be negative towards Allen. Or positive towards McDermott. Occasionally they are allowed to say a nice thing or two about Beane. Short of trading for both Tee Higgins and Ja'Marr Chase, the "they aren't helping Allen enough" one will always be here among that one certain group that keeps quiet during win streaks and shouts their happiness at being "right" to the skies after a loss. Quote
Mikie2times Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 46 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Narratives are not allowed to be negative towards Allen. Or positive towards McDermott. Occasionally they are allowed to say a nice thing or two about Beane. Short of trading for both Tee Higgins and Ja'Marr Chase, the "they aren't helping Allen enough" one will always be here among that one certain group that keeps quiet during win streaks and shouts their happiness at being "right" to the skies after a loss. I would say that group doesn’t get that caught up with the regular season Quote
Mango Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) When you pay the QB you have to do more with less. We also have a good OL so that takes away from the pass catchers. That said, I wish we'd draft better on offense. Edited 1 hour ago by Mango Quote
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