Bills 8th most expensive offense in 2025

[Donuts and Doritos]

Pegula's cheap. 😜

[RyanC883]

  On 3/21/2025 at 5:09 PM, poblano said:

No if you expend on Offensive linemen, including backups.

 

 

 

Bengals are expending on three players 120mdd and the rest of their offense 37mdd.  That's dumb

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trust me, I'm not advocating for the Bengals pay 2 #1 WR route and overpay a JAG TE either

[FireChans]

  On 3/21/2025 at 4:17 PM, DJB said:

 

Does this blow up the narrative that the Bills aren’t “helping Allen”? 
 

Or does it create new ones that he is getting help? 
 

Or that the $ being allocated on offense isn’t being properly used and it reflects on Beane?

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Let’s go player by player by cap hit.

 

Offense:

Josh

Dawkins

Knox

McGovern

Samuel

Brown

 

What conclusion do you draw from that list?

[Mikie2times]

  On 3/21/2025 at 4:23 PM, MJS said:

The narrative that Josh Allen is doing everything by himself and has no help has always been false. For one thing, the Bills have built a very good oline in front of him. They've made trades for big name receivers (Diggs and Cooper), they've been more balanced on offense and gotten good running production. The narrative is just false and always has been.

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Our roster has the least amount of All Pro and Pro Bowl accolades of any of the perennial contenders. People here assume it's top 10 because we win a lot. According to everybody's opinion on this site Josh Allen is the best QB in football.

 

We consistently come up short in the playoffs against elite teams. So we come up short against the best teams, with the best QB, one of the best rosters, AND one of the best coaches OR we are team that dominates turnovers with an elite QB and not a whole lot more?

 

The reality is plenty of very logical paths exist to suggest we have talent issues. People just know once that is introduced it sort of undermines a lot of the things people like to protect around here.  

Edited Friday at 07:37 PM by Mikie2times

[DJB]

  On 3/21/2025 at 7:32 PM, FireChans said:

Let’s go player by player by cap hit.

 

Offense:

Josh

Dawkins

Knox

McGovern

Samuel

Brown

 

What conclusion do you draw from that list?

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A lot of money to 3 average players in Knox, Samuel and McGovern .

 

We still lack that elite young ascending  WR 1 and it’s glaringly obvious 

[Einstein]

Falcons fans must feel like crap. 

Imagine spending the most on offense and you score like 20 points per game.

[Mikie2times]

  On 3/21/2025 at 7:32 PM, FireChans said:

Let’s go player by player by cap hit.

 

Offense:

Josh

Dawkins

Knox

McGovern

Samuel

Brown

 

What conclusion do you draw from that list?

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I'll take some crap on this, but it looks like Beane doesn't know what he's doing. Even worse that Diggs was under Josh in that chart last year. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

  On 3/21/2025 at 7:38 PM, DJB said:

A lot of money to 3 average players in Knox, Samuel and McGovern .

 

We still lack that elite young ascending  WR 1 and it’s glaringly obvious 

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McGovern is a very good player.

[Mr. WEO]

  On 3/21/2025 at 4:17 PM, DJB said:

 

Does this blow up the narrative that the Bills aren’t “helping Allen”? 
 

Or does it create new ones that he is getting help? 
 

Or that the $ being allocated on offense isn’t being properly used and it reflects on Beane?

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it doesn’t blow up the narrative that Josh is throwing to a number of well payed, mediocre pass catchers.

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

  On 3/21/2025 at 4:23 PM, MJS said:

The narrative that Josh Allen is doing everything by himself and has no help has always been false. For one thing, the Bills have built a very good oline in front of him. They've made trades for big name receivers (Diggs and Cooper), they've been more balanced on offense and gotten good running production. The narrative is just false and always has been.

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Agreed. It’s pretty hard to get an MVP without help. What Buffalo lacks in WRs, they make up for with an explosive run game and a well-rounded line. WRs aren’t exactly bad, they are just lacking a true prototypical #1. They are currently about middle of the pack in that area. I am higher on Keon Coleman than most. I think he’s going to be nasty once he hits year 3. I am reserving judgment on Kincaid until this year which is make or break for him. Knox to me is the better TE and should’ve been utilized more in the playoffs. 

[Matt_In_NH]

  On 3/21/2025 at 4:23 PM, MJS said:

The narrative that Josh Allen is doing everything by himself and has no help has always been false. For one thing, the Bills have built a very good oline in front of him. They've made trades for big name receivers (Diggs and Cooper), they've been more balanced on offense and gotten good running production. The narrative is just false and always has been.

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They have used their first pick in the last two drafts on pass catchers also....

[nedboy7]

  On 3/21/2025 at 7:34 PM, Mikie2times said:

Our roster has the least amount of All Pro and Pro Bowl accolades of any of the perennial contenders. People here assume it's top 10 because we win a lot. According to everybody's opinion on this site Josh Allen is the best QB in football.

 

We consistently come up short in the playoffs against elite teams. So we come up short against the best teams, with the best QB, one of the best rosters, AND one of the best coaches OR we are team that dominates turnovers with an elite QB and not a whole lot more?

 

The reality is plenty of very logical paths exist to suggest we have talent issues. People just know once that is introduced it sort of undermines a lot of the things people like to protect around here.  

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We do tend to beat good teams in the regular season. We keep losing to the chiefs in the playoffs.  But I do hear you about the lack of game changing talent. Milano was one. I think until we have a top 5 WR or Edge this narrative will have life.  But I don’t fully agree with it. 

[billsfan89]

Bills have Josh who costs a lot but they are paying their OT’s a lot and they have a few other “mid-level” salaries mixed in like McGovern, Samuel, Palmer, and Knox. Not shocked to see them ranked so high

[DrMaxPower]

For YEARS, the big complaint was the oline. 'Build a dominant line',  'Keep Josh upright', 'Fix the line and everything takes care of itself'.

 

They did. We are paying 2 blue chip tackles. We just wrapped a season in which we probably had the best, most consistent offense in the league. And yet the 'Josh does it with no help, we need to invest in the offense, get him weapons' narrative thrives.

 

I don't get it.

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[Mikie2times]

  23 hours ago, DrMaxPower said:

For YEARS, the big complaint was the oline. 'Build a dominant line',  'Keep Josh upright', 'Fix the line and everything takes care of itself'.

 

They did. We are paying 2 blue chip tackles. We just wrapped a season in which we probably had the best, most consistent offense in the league. And yet the 'Josh does it with no help, we need to invest in the offense, get him weapons' narrative thrives.

 

I don't get it.

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How does the line look with stationary QB? Sort of hard to tell. Allen is never in the pocket for more than 3 seconds.

[BigDingus]

  On 3/21/2025 at 4:17 PM, DJB said:

 

Does this blow up the narrative that the Bills aren’t “helping Allen”? 
 

Or does it create new ones that he is getting help? 
 

Or that the $ being allocated on offense isn’t being properly used and it reflects on Beane?

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Isn't a large chunk of that Josh himself?

[Mikie2times]

  On 3/21/2025 at 10:22 PM, nedboy7 said:

We do tend to beat good teams in the regular season. We keep losing to the chiefs in the playoffs.  But I do hear you about the lack of game changing talent. Milano was one. I think until we have a top 5 WR or Edge this narrative will have life.  But I don’t fully agree with it. 

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We beat the best in the early 90’s as well. I think two prevailing schools of thought exist here.

 

We are really close and we keep getting closer. We will eventually kick the door down.

 

We aren’t as close as it seems, this will keep happening. We are missing ______

 

I’m in the latter pool. I believe the teams that are at the level we wish we would reach don’t tend to get to the places we have and lose 100% of those games unless deeper reasons exist why that is occurring. I expect those deeper reasons to keep leading to the same results until corrected. Talent being among them. 

[DrMaxPower]

  23 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

How does the line look with stationary QB? Sort of hard to tell. Allen is never in the pocket for more than 3 seconds.

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It's still very good.

 

I played oline for 12 years. I can tell you that in some ways it's harder to block for somebody who is constantly moving. What may be a safe redirection angle on 1 play puts your man in his lap the next.

 

There are probably as many instances of Josh creating his own pressure with happy feet in clean pockets as there are times he bails them out making free rushers miss.

[Mikie2times]

  23 hours ago, DrMaxPower said:

It's still very good.

 

I played oline for 12 years. I can tell you that in some ways it's harder to block for somebody who is constantly moving. What may be a safe redirection angle on 1 play puts your man in his lap the next.

 

There are probably as many instances of Josh creating his own pressure with happy feet in clean pockets as there are times he bails them out making free rushers miss.

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It’s certainly hard to block for a mobile QB but bigger than that, it doesn’t give you any accuracy with actual win rates. Even in the run game, so you think Cook is as successful as he was without Allen threatening every stitch of the field? Literally no element of this team fails to benefit from Josh. Even on defense, we often face one dimensional teams because we are always ahead. 

[Mister Defense]

  On 3/21/2025 at 4:17 PM, DJB said:

 

Does this blow up the narrative that the Bills aren’t “helping Allen”? 
 

Or does it create new ones that he is getting help? 
 

Or that the $ being allocated on offense isn’t being properly used and it reflects on Beane?

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That last question is flat out stupid, at least from what it appears to imply.

 

Why put that there? If anything, it is clear they are getting great value.

 

And why not give us the 2024 $ allocated instead, as that is what the post seems to be about, right? We have no idea what will happen in 205 on offense.

 

In 2024, they scored 525 points, second in the league, almost 31 points a game.

 

They had one of the best offenses ever in the NFL in 2024 and it looks like it will be even better in 2025.  Brady's second year as OC, and a better wideout room, with more experience and better talent.  IMO.

 

If the 2024 number is the same, we don't have it in the post for some reason, then it appears Beane is responsible for a tremendous bargain.

 

 

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Mister Defense