Bills 8th most expensive offense in 2025

[DrMaxPower]

9 hours ago, FireChans said:

We could do that.

If Pegula will sign the checks.

 

It's tiresome to listen to people endlessly blow Roseman. He's an excellent GM but it doesn't take a genius to add 4 void years to every deal. It takes an owner willing to spend more than the others.

 

Their success is about Lurie as much as it is Roseman.

[ganesh]

On 3/22/2025 at 7:22 PM, Mister Defense said:

 

Actually the Bills were the highest scoring offense last year, in the regular season and playoffs combined.

 

That is what the poster was referring to.

 

The Bills were #1 in the league, with the Eagles 2nd at 608.

 

The Bills scored 612 points. Hard to believe that number when I saw it--over 600 points!

 

 

plus 30 TD passing and 30 TD rushing...

[Mister Defense]

23 minutes ago, ganesh said:

plus 30 TD passing and 30 TD rushing...

 

To see that, so many touchdowns, and such incredible balance (hence, Josh has his best year, duh) combined with the most points scored in the league, 612!, should sharpen their focus like a laser on now getting the best 3-4 defensive players they can in the draft.

 

They should take their ten picks and make them 4 better picks instead, moving up strategically to get the kind of defensive players needed to immediately improve the defense.

 

Kansas City did it in one draft and so did the Eagles.  They both won Super Bowls the following year.

 

The Eagles were ranked 30th in defense in 2023. In 2024, they were the best defense in the league. By far the best defense. By almost 40 yards per game.

 

Where there's a will there's a way.

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 01:00 AM by Mister Defense

[TheWeatherMan]

On 3/21/2025 at 9:23 AM, MJS said:

The narrative that Josh Allen is doing everything by himself and has no help has always been false. For one thing, the Bills have built a very good oline in front of him. They've made trades for big name receivers (Diggs and Cooper), they've been more balanced on offense and gotten good running production. The narrative is just false and always has been.

 

Edit: All the normal contrarians reacting negatively, I see 😆

The three rookie OC’s they hired for Josh might just prove your narrative wrong and that’s not including the below average skill players (as a whole) they’ve surrounded him with. 

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

The three rookie OC’s they hired for Josh might just prove your narrative wrong and that’s not including the below average skill players (as a whole) they’ve surrounded him with. 

 

They have only hired one rookie OC - Ken Dorsey. Rico, Dabes and Joe B had all been NFL OCs before taking the role here.

 

Don't disagree on the general quality of their skill guys though.

[HOUSE]

Thanks, we are now completely broke by wasting money on big fat guys

It's no wonder this team never wins anything.

I am so done with this team...

 

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Edited Monday at 03:03 PM by HOUSE

[JohnNord]

On 3/21/2025 at 12:29 PM, RyanC883 said:

would be interesting to see a list that excludes "non-QB" pay.  To spend this much without a #1 WR is weird.  

I’d like to see what % is Josh and his LT and RT.    It’s a huge percentage.  
 

McGovern has a moderate contract as does Samuel and Palmer.  The rest are low contracts

[ColoradoBills]

13 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I’d like to see what % is Josh and his LT and RT.    It’s a huge percentage.  
 

McGovern has a moderate contract as does Samuel and Palmer.  The rest are low contracts

 

According to Spotrac, 25%.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/position/_/year/2025

[colin]

we have a top 3 or 4 tackle combo in the nfl, and the best qb in the nfl.  our rookie RG is solid, and the C is likely up for a 12+ a year contract.

 

we have some lame contracts to get out of, but this team really is (on offense) built from the ball out.  some quality outside wr play and this team legit can threaten to break the nfl scoring record.

 

if cook holds out and doesn't play next season, i think our over the year drop off from that is worth like 1 or 2 points a game.  better wr and TE play would be worth more than that.  overall, and this is with me being a bit of a hater on our OC, this is likely the most anti fragile offense in the nfl.

[FireChans]

20 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I’d like to see what % is Josh and his LT and RT.    It’s a huge percentage.  
 

McGovern has a moderate contract as does Samuel and Palmer.  The rest are low contracts

 

On 3/21/2025 at 3:32 PM, FireChans said:

Let’s go player by player by cap hit.

 

Offense:

Josh

Dawkins

Knox

McGovern

Samuel

Brown

 

What conclusion do you draw from that list?

 

[harmonkillebrew]

On 3/21/2025 at 10:17 AM, DJB said:

 

Does this blow up the narrative that the Bills aren’t “helping Allen”? 
 

Or does it create new ones that he is getting help? 
 

Or that the $ being allocated on offense isn’t being properly used and it reflects on Beane?

Interesting. Pretty much all top playoff teams, except the Falcons.  Eagles and Ravens are only ones missing.

 

Largely big QB $#s. wonder if Diggs dead cap hit from 2024 is on there as well

 

[FireChans]

53 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

Interesting. Pretty much all top playoff teams, except the Falcons.  Eagles and Ravens are only ones missing.

 

Largely big QB $#s. wonder if Diggs dead cap hit from 2024 is on there as well

 

Diggs cap hit is not on there because it’s 2025.

 

It’s tricky because cap hit and investment aren’t a 1:1 relationship.

 

Comparing us to say Philly:

 

We have double their QB cap hit, despite Hurts playing on a similar deal because of void years.

 

They have $2M more than us in RB’s.

 

They are paying $8M more than us in WR’s (Devonta/AJ and co costing $8M more in space than our group hurts my heart)

 

We are paying $4M more in TE.

 

They are paying $2M more in OL. 

Their overall offensive spending with QB’s included is $117M vs ours which is $149M.
 

So really what it comes down to is they are dedicating $8M more in cap space to their superior talent around their QB while keeping their QB’s cap hit low, whereas we are allocating $25M more this season to QB’s and honestly overpaying for talent. 

[TheWeatherMan]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They have only hired one rookie OC - Ken Dorsey. Rico, Dabes and Joe B had all been NFL OCs before taking the role here.

 

Don't disagree on the general quality of their skill guys though.

Ah, thanks for the correction on Daboll I didn’t think he was an NFL OC prior to going to Bama and Brady was with the panthers for a year and a half as their OC.  Unreal that Josh has had 4 different OCs over a span of 7 years.  

[harmonkillebrew]

54 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Diggs cap hit is not on there because it’s 2025.

 

It’s tricky because cap hit and investment aren’t a 1:1 relationship.

 

Comparing us to say Philly:

 

We have double their QB cap hit, despite Hurts playing on a similar deal because of void years.

 

They have $2M more than us in RB’s.

 

They are paying $8M more than us in WR’s (Devonta/AJ and co costing $8M more in space than our group hurts my heart)

 

We are paying $4M more in TE.

 

They are paying $2M more in OL. 

Their overall offensive spending with QB’s included is $117M vs ours which is $149M.
 

So really what it comes down to is they are dedicating $8M more in cap space to their superior talent around their QB while keeping their QB’s cap hit low, whereas we are allocating $25M more this season to QB’s and honestly overpaying for talent. 

$4M more in TEs.  ouch.

And they have Goedert, who is better than anything we have

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Ah, thanks for the correction on Daboll I didn’t think he was an NFL OC prior to going to Bama and Brady was with the panthers for a year and a half as their OC.  Unreal that Josh has had 4 different OCs over a span of 7 years.  

 

Josh has only had 3. Rico was before Josh.

 

He had Dabes for 4 seasons, then Dorsey for 1.5 seasons now Brady for 1.5 seasons going into 2025. 

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, harmonkillebrew said:

$4M more in TEs.  ouch.

And they have Goedert, who is better than anything we have

Put together, the difference between Eagles WRs/TEs and the Bills WRs/TEs in 2025 is $5M.

 

For an extra $5M, they have AJ Brown, Devonta Smith, Jahan Dotson, Smith, Wilson, Goedert, Muse, Calcaterra

 

We have Samuel, Palmer, Shakir, Coleman, Hamler, Shenault, Knox, Kincaid and Davidson.

 

Woof.