Bills 8th most expensive offense in 2025

[NoSaint]

8 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

would be interesting to see a list that excludes "non-QB" pay.  To spend this much without a #1 WR is weird.  

when you pay 3 guys as wr2, and your backup te as te1

 

plus bookend tackles 

[Big Turk]

7 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

The OL, RB room, and TE situation are all good.  And Josh is an elite talent who receives elite pay.   

 

But Josh needs downfield weapons to throw to.  We don't have a lot of money invested there and it shows.  

 

And, yeah, Beane does overpay sometimes.  

 

If Texas WR Matthew Golden is there when they pick, Beane better hit the draft button like we mash the F5 button waiting for impending Bills news...

 

 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 12:56 AM by Big Turk

[Dr. Who]

11 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

when you pay 3 guys as wr2, and your backup te as te1

 

plus bookend tackles 

Expenditure is not a reliable metric, yet those who just can't get it probably won't.

 

Yes, it was very smart and necessary to build the o-line. That doesn't mean one should then suppose it's fine to consistently ask the best qb in the league to elevate a mediocre WR room (in a good year). Having superior talent at WR would increase your margins for attaining victory, increase explosive plays, and chances of winning in the post-season where elite talent makes clutch plays in big moments.

 

And for the folks that can only think in very simple binary logic, that doesn't mean you should ignore the defense. 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 01:04 AM by Dr. Who

[Mister Defense]

5 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Our roster has the least amount of All Pro and Pro Bowl accolades of any of the perennial contenders. People here assume it's top 10 because we win a lot. According to everybody's opinion on this site Josh Allen is the best QB in football.

 

We consistently come up short in the playoffs against elite teams. So we come up short against the best teams, with the best QB, one of the best rosters, AND one of the best coaches OR we are team that dominates turnovers with an elite QB and not a whole lot more?

 

The reality is plenty of very logical paths exist to suggest we have talent issues. People just know once that is introduced it sort of undermines a lot of the things people like to protect around here.  

 

 

Shoot, after reading this post I wonder what would happen if the Bills had good talent on offense...

 

Would they be better than the 2nd best scoring offense in the NFL, as they were last year?  Or better than one of the best points per drive in NFL history?

 

Maybe then the Bills would be able to beat the elite teams, at least on occasion, like the Ravens, Lions, Chiefs...?  I would love to have that happen, just on occasion, as they always come up short when they do play the better, elite teams.

 

Maybe next year Beane will get some talent on offense that can beat a high level team, or two, score a slew of points, and challenge for a championship. But looking at last year, and his history, who would ever be that naive?

 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 01:15 AM by Mister Defense

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Mister Defense said:

 

 

Shoot, after reading this post I wander what would happen if the Bills had good talent on offense, ...

 

Would they be better than the 2nd best scoring offense in the NFL, as they were last year?  Or better than one of the best points per drive in NFL history?

 

Maybe then the Bills would be able to beat the elite teams, at least on occasion, like the Ravens, Lions, Chiefs...?  I would love to have that happen, just on occasion, as they always come up short when they do play the better, elite teams.

 

Maybe next year Beane will get some talent on offense that can beat a high level team, or two, score a slew of points, and challenge for a championship. But looking at last year, and his history, who would ever be that naive?

 

 

 

 

 

 

We'll see if they can replicate the very wide turnover margins with an offense that has to matriculate down the field, because they don't have a fella that can scare the defense and win as a boundary receiver that can separate. Maybe Palmer gives them that; at minimum, they need him to play that role sufficiently to make the opposing defense respect that dimension of the offense.

 

 

[Mister Defense]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

We'll see if they can replicate the very wide turnover margins with an offense that has to matriculate down the field, because they don't have a fella that can scare the defense and win as a boundary receiver that can separate. Maybe Palmer gives them that; at minimum, they need him to play that role sufficiently to make the opposing defense respect that dimension of the offense.

 

 

 

 

I think almost everyone who watched this kick a*s offense last year would agree that adding a fast wideout who could get down field and separate would take it to another level.

 

Once they get that, in my view, they may become the best offense ever. Without it though, they still may become that this year, but less likely.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 01:15 AM by Mister Defense

[Mikie2times]

9 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

 

Shoot, after reading this post I wonder what would happen if the Bills had good talent on offense...

 

Would they be better than the 2nd best scoring offense in the NFL, as they were last year?  Or better than one of the best points per drive in NFL history?

 

Maybe then the Bills would be able to beat the elite teams, at least on occasion, like the Ravens, Lions, Chiefs...?  I would love to have that happen, just on occasion, as they always come up short when they do play the better, elite teams.

 

Maybe next year Beane will get some talent on offense that can beat a high level team, or two, score a slew of points, and challenge for a championship. But looking at last year, and his history, who would ever be that naive?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jim Kelly reminds you that we owned the NFC in the 90’s. Problem is you can only hang so many regular season banners. Hell, at least that team made the Super Bowl. You can keep arguing that we have the best everything, QB, roster, coach, GM, eventually that should at least get you one AFC championship if it was true right?

Edited Saturday at 01:16 AM by Mikie2times

[Mister Defense]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

Jim Kelly reminds you that we owned the NFC in the 90’s. Problem is you can only hang so many regular season banners. Hell, at least that team made the Super Bowl. You can keep arguing that we have the best everything, QB, roster, coach, GM, eventually that should at least get you one AFC championship if it was true right?

 

Well, I do not think the Bills had the "best everything" last year, as they had a paper tiger of a defense, poor at stopping 3rd down conversions, and at giving up big plays, and not good at stopping the run. I was not happy with this, but figured they would muddle through until next year, with the high level offense rising to the occasion. (I always want my team to have a great defense. When I was born my mom took one look at my mug, saw this in my eyes, and hence my name.)

 

They were a team that was at the very least in a big tweak year, if not a mini rebuild.

 

But they made it to the AFC Championship game, and were leading the two time defending Super Bowl champions in their own house, late in the 4th quarter.

 

They did that with a defense that was not high level, clearly in need of major changes in the secondary and defensive line, something Beane and McDermott are well aware of.

 

And with those clear and obvious defensive problems, they were a whisper away from winning the game and heading to the Super Bowl--without their best CB, one of the top corners in the game, and without their best starting safety. Those were tremendous obstacles, as they were playing against the three time SB champions and two time MVP, someone most  already consider to be one of the top 2-3 quarterbacks in league history.

 

It is a game, and sometimes the ball doesn't bounce the right way.  But with this Bills team, with a better defense next year, and an offense on the cusp of greatness, it is hard for me to imagine them not being the team to beat in the AFC.

 

 

Edited Saturday at 02:27 AM by Mister Defense

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, DJB said:

 

Does this blow up the narrative that the Bills aren’t “helping Allen”? 
 

Or does it create new ones that he is getting help? 
 

Or that the $ being allocated on offense isn’t being properly used and it reflects on Beane?

 

 

Narratives are not allowed to be negative towards Allen. Or positive towards McDermott. Occasionally they are allowed to say a nice thing or two about Beane.

 

Short of trading for both Tee Higgins and Ja'Marr Chase, the "they aren't helping Allen enough" one will always be here among that one certain group that keeps quiet during win streaks and shouts their happiness at being "right" to the skies after a loss.

[Mikie2times]

46 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Narratives are not allowed to be negative towards Allen. Or positive towards McDermott. Occasionally they are allowed to say a nice thing or two about Beane.

 

Short of trading for both Tee Higgins and Ja'Marr Chase, the "they aren't helping Allen enough" one will always be here among that one certain group that keeps quiet during win streaks and shouts their happiness at being "right" to the skies after a loss.

I would say that group doesn’t get that caught up with the regular season 

[Mango]

When you pay the QB you have to do more with less. We also have a good OL so that takes away from the pass catchers.

 

That said, I wish we'd draft better on offense.

Edited Saturday at 03:52 AM by Mango

[ganesh]

That contract for Knox is probably putting us in that top-10 bracket...We are also paying for our OL which is considered one of the best in the league...and not to mention we have the league MVP on our side.....

[GunnerBill]

13 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Our roster has the least amount of All Pro and Pro Bowl accolades of any of the perennial contenders. People here assume it's top 10 because we win a lot. According to everybody's opinion on this site Josh Allen is the best QB in football.

 

We consistently come up short in the playoffs against elite teams. So we come up short against the best teams, with the best QB, one of the best rosters, AND one of the best coaches OR we are team that dominates turnovers with an elite QB and not a whole lot more?

 

The reality is plenty of very logical paths exist to suggest we have talent issues. People just know once that is introduced it sort of undermines a lot of the things people like to protect around here.  

 

We definitely have high end talent issues. It is beyond debate IMO. The Bills consistently have one of the deepest rosters in the NFL with among the least obvious weaknesses and holes. But they have, certainly among contenders, the least bona fide difference makers too. 

[ProcessTruster]

so the highest scoring offense in the league is only the 8th most expensive? 

 

 good management (again) by McBeanes.  

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

so the highest scoring offense in the league is only the 8th most expensive? 

 

 good management (again) by McBeanes.  

They weren’t the highest scoring offense in the league.

 

Also, Josh Allen stat.

[NoName]

17 hours ago, FireChans said:

Let’s go player by player by cap hit.

 

Offense:

Josh

Dawkins

Knox

McGovern

Samuel

Brown

 

What conclusion do you draw from that list?

Samuel and Knox being so high on this list is a BIG problem, given their production.

[Mister Defense]

57 minutes ago, FireChans said:

They weren’t the highest scoring offense in the league.

 

Also, Josh Allen stat.

 

Actually the Bills were the highest scoring offense last year, in the regular season and playoffs combined.

 

That is what the poster was referring to.

 

The Bills were #1 in the league, with the Eagles 2nd at 608.

 

The Bills scored 612 points. Hard to believe that number when I saw it--over 600 points!

 

 

[Mister Defense]

22 hours ago, DJB said:

 

Does this blow up the narrative that the Bills aren’t “helping Allen”? 
 

Or does it create new ones that he is getting help? 
 

Or that the $ being allocated on offense isn’t being properly used and it reflects on Beane?

 

 

Why do you have the 2025 offensive expenditures here, a season yet to be played, and one in which we do not know what the actual $ spent or outcome will be? Without the numbers for 2024 doesn't it make the  last  question you ask in your OP irrelevant? And the other questions too would be much better served with the 2024 numbers--folks will be focused much more on what the last season revealed, than one that has not yet been played.

 

 Can you clarify this, give the actual 2024 money spent and add a new post in the thread maybe? As I looked online and could not find it exactly.

 

But I did find the offensive offensive expenditure for the Bills' offense at the same time last year.

 

In March of last year, the Bills ranked 20th in the league at $116 million for 2024 offensive salaries. Of course, I do not know what the final figure was.

 

An excellent idea for an OP, but the 2024 offensive salaries will make things much clearer, and make it all more relevant.

 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 02:45 PM by Mister Defense

[ColoradoBills]

19 hours ago, 2003Contenders said:

How much of that $ is dead cap?

 

None.  It's based on AAV.  It's adding up the average salaries.

Examples:

Josh is $55M.

Knox is the AAV of his contract $9.8M, not the cap hit which is $14.5M this year.

[Ga boy]

14 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

How does the line look with stationary QB? Sort of hard to tell. Allen is never in the pocket for more than 3 seconds.

I guess people think we have a great OL bc JA17 rarely gets sacked.  I see that he gets pressured a lot, especially against the best teams.  Is this bc of the WRs or OL?  Cmon we know he doesn’t get sacked bc of his legs, not the OL.