Former Bill, Marcellus Wiley accused of rape

[CoudyBills]

Guilty.  Death penalty

[Victory Formation]

I think we should all hold off on judgment until all the facts come out. I’m not saying he didn’t do it but I’m not saying he did either. I’ve seen good men get thrown under the bus for no reason whatsoever.

[Mikie2times]

10.5 sacks in a year gives me the strength to not judge until proven guilty 

[BringBackFergy]

I take it he’s not a Wall of Fame candidate?

[Another Fan]

I have to admit I don't remember him very much as a player 

[SoCal Deek]

18 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

I have to admit I don't remember him very much as a player 

Apparently the accusers didn’t remember him much as a lover. 

[loyal2dagame]

2 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

Guilty.  Death penalty

 

Shiv da mofo?

[WotAGuy]

5 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Would you rather get held down by a huge dude and ass-raped or lose a fight and your car?

Reading Buffalo03’s posts definitely feels like the former. 

[Red Squirrel]

7 pages in and I'm shocked it seems like I'm the only one who remembers this was rumored all the way back when he was drafted. IIRC, he left Columbia and went to a CC in Los Angeles for a year, which seemed an extremely odd thing to do for someone who got into an Ivy. The implication was that Columbia told him to leave to let things cool off, and then took him back. I have a vague recollection that this rumor was pervasive enough that Wiley addressed it at some point when he was playing for the Bills. I would not swear by that, but I absolutely remember that this was talked about either on this board or somewhere else I interacted with Bills fans in the mid 90s.

 

Anyway, I only bring this up because I think the idea that this was pulled out of nowhere by his accusers after 30 years isn't entirely accurate. I believe he deserves due process and a presumption of innocence, but I think something that may wind up happening is these women will have people they were close to testify that they were told *when it happened*. That is likely to be the secondary evidence. And it also isn't much of a stretch of the imagination to think that one of these confidants talking about it is how it wound up being discussed by Bills fans 30 years ago. 

Edited Friday at 01:59 AM by Red Squirrel
just tried to make it easier to read and less redundant

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, Red Squirrel said:

7 pages in and I'm shocked it seems like I'm the only one who remembers this was rumored all the way back when he was drafted. IIRC, he left Columbia and went to a CC in Los Angeles for a year, which seemed an extremely odd thing to do for someone who got into an Ivy. The implication was that Columbia told him to leave to let things cool off, and then took him back. I have a vague recollection that this rumor was pervasive enough that Wiley addressed it at some point when he was playing for the Bills. I would not swear by that, but I absolutely remember that this was talked about either on this board or somewhere else I interacted with Bills fans in the mid 90s.

 

Anyway, I only bring this up because I think the idea that this was pulled out of nowhere by his accusers after 30 years isn't entirely accurate. I believe he deserves due process and a presumption of innocence, but I think something that may wind up happening is these women will have people they were close to testify that they were told *when it happened*. That is likely to be the secondary evidence. And it also isn't much of a stretch of the imagination to think that one of these confidants talking about it is how it wound up being discussed by Bills fans 30 years ago. 

Seems to me the issue isn’t whether the accusers have a claim. The issue is where have they been for the last three decades…..no? 

[Red Squirrel]

16 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Seems to me the issue isn’t whether the accusers have a claim. The issue is where have they been for the last three decades…..no? 

I think it is extremely obvious why women don't immediately report sexual assaults and it is idiotic to assume innocence or guilt based solely on how long they waited to report.

[BillsFooteball]

Threads like this make it easy to know who has strong respectful relationships and who is bitter and single 

[BillytheKid]

15 hours ago, ddaryl said:

in 1994 ???  these women need to come forward a lot sooner then 3 decades later. 

I agree with this. This stuff is getting ridiculous at this point. 
 

Either come out with it in a reasonable amount of time or get over it. 
 

Who knows if it’s even true. 
 

Just like Trevor Bauer got screwed over by that girl for lying about everything and now he can’t get back in to the MLB which is complete BS.

 

Ariza the punter got screwed because he was accused of the same thing. The whole Duke Lacrosse team.

 

If these women want to accuse and it ends up not being true they should have to serve the same amount of time or the crime they lied about. So in this case if they are lying they should go to jail for rape charges. 
 

If he did it then obviously he needs to pay for it as well. Don’t see how you can prove much 30 years later though. 

[Buffalo Junction]

11 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

It doesn't matter. Any kind of violent crime should be reported in a timely matter. A regular assault can cause lifetime physical harm just as much as a rape could. The longer it takes to report, the more ridiculous it looks and the less likely the person it to be believed 

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and assume you didn’t go to the “wrong” Catholic Church, group home, etc while growing up….

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, BillytheKid said:

If these women want to accuse and it ends up not being true they should have to serve the same amount of time or the crime they lied about. So in this case if they are lying they should go to jail for rape charges.

It's a civil suit.  Wiley isn't going to jail.  Also, he can sue them for defamation of character if he chooses.

[Chandler#81]

Marcellus wasn’t too Wiley, was he?..🤔

[Gugny]

7 hours ago, BillsFooteball said:

Threads like this make it easy to know who has strong respectful relationships and who is bitter and single 

Or who has a wife who ”knows her place.”

[Neo]

There are few goulashes of disjoint ingredients richer in taste than men criticizing views of others in a sexual assault conversation on a sports message board.

[Johnny Bravo]

17 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Your assumption that Marcellus Wiley is a man of high character is equally as spurious as the assumptions being made by others that you are arguing against.

I don’t know Wiley personally, but I can look at the evidence and make a fair assumption.
 

He was a Walter Payton award nominee multiple times.  It’s the most prestigious award the NFL has.  Does charity work mean he can’t be guilty of rape?  Of course not.  But it does give us some sort of indication of the kind of man Wiley is.  
 

My argument isn’t that Wiley is a saint or can’t be guilty.  My argument is that we don’t have to believe the accusations against him just because they are serious and that other factors besides the accusation can inform our thinking on the subject before all the facts come out.

 

As new facts are presented, we can change our opinions.  But right now, with the things we know, I’m skeptical of their accusations.

[Johnny Bravo]

17 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Seriously?????   Your statements reek of ignorance of history and misogyny.  

 

Just because there were laws on the books that made rape a capital offense doesn't mean that those laws were enforced and sentences applied equally.   

 

Even today, a woman who accuses a man, especially a wealthy or well-known man, of rape faces far more scrutiny of her "character" than does a woman who accuses a man of some other crime .... your assumptions about rape underscore your bias.

 

That wasn’t an assumption.  It was fact from the FBI.  
 

it doesn’t prove anything about Wiley and his guilt or innocence.  I think it doesn’t prove anything show that we shouldn’t automatically believe a woman just because she makes an accusation.

 

Furthermore, I said nothing about these women or their character.  I don’t know them so how could I have an opinion about them? (Maybe you can give me some pointers on judging people I don’t know.   You seem to be pretty good at it as you feel free to call me ignorant, misogynistic, and biased without ever having met me).  My comments are 100% related to their actions.

 

You are obviously passionate about the topic.  That said, I hope you would never sit on a jury.