Former Bill, Marcellus Wiley accused of rape

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:

 

This comes from a presupposition that women reporting rape lie more often than not when a certain amount of time has passed. There's no evidence or academic study to back that up as far as I know. I don't think your feeling on this is representative of reality. I'm tempted to go farther on that but I won't. 

 

 

He’s just intentionally ignoring that there is a psychological aspect to rape that goes far beyond the physical. I suggest ignoring him, then maybe he’ll just go away. 

[Buffalo03]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Ok sure, I'm a glutton for punishment.

 

Do you believe the administrator's response would have been "please don't report the car thief, you'll ruin his future"?

If it's "ruining a black man's future" as the article puts it, I don't see why it would be any different, no. Is a team gonna draft a guy with with a physical assault that gave someone personal brain damage? I'd be willing to bet most teams would remove them off their draft board

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Ok sure, I'm a glutton for punishment.

 

Do you believe the administrator's response would have been "please don't report the car thief, you'll ruin his future"?

And again, you are ignoring the assault and just like anyone else just focusing on the car theft

[loyal2dagame]

1 hour ago, Johnny Bravo said:

 

 

Let's see how the case goes, what evidence is presented at the civil trial, etc.  But let's not convict Wiley in the court of public opinion based just on the fact that he was accused of something.  Especially when that accusation is contrary to what we have seen about his character for almost 30 years now. 

 

Let's not disparage the alleged victims either based on when the act supposedly happened. PTSD and trama effects are different for everyone. You may not have displayed symptoms,  but sometimes it gets triggered years later. 

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

If it's "ruining a black man's future" as the article puts it, I don't see why it would be any different, no.

 

Then I'm afraid you are just completely disconnected from reality. If you don't understand the differences between what rape victims experience when they report their crime versus what car theft victims experience when they report their crime, especially back in the 90s, this is not a conversation worth having.

 

3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

And again, you are ignoring the assault and just like anyone else just focusing on the car theft

 

It has nothing to do with the crime committed. What we're talking about is the experience of reporting the crime. You're the one that made this ridiculous on the face of it analogy and now you're refusing to acknowledge the differences.

 

Like I said, you're not engaging in good faith. I did try.

[oldmanfan]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Let's take the guy part out of it. I should have used the woman as the example in both instances. The point is, they should both be reported in a timely matter. The longer it takes, the worse it looks for the woman. That's all I am saying 

Then you have absolutely no clue of the psychology of this.

[Buffalo03]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Then I'm afraid you are just completely disconnected from reality. If you don't understand the differences between what rape victims experience when they report their crime versus what car theft victims experience when they report their crime, especially back in the 90s, this is not a conversation worth having.

 

 

It has nothing to do with the crime committed. What we're talking about is the experience of reporting the crime. You're the one that made this ridiculous on the face of it analogy and now you're refusing to acknowledge the differences.

 

Like I said, you're not engaging in good faith. I did try.

What do you mean I'm not engaging in good faith? Does that mean I'm supposed to agree with you? I'm answering your question. I'm saying both crimes are bad and can cause physical harm and bad memories for the woman that it happens to. Anyone can experience different violent crimes. If it's violent, I don't think the analogy is ridiculous. Take the car theft out of it. If a woman is simply walking down the street and gets beaten badly and doesn't report it for 20 years, you're cool with the fact she chose to ignore it. But give her a pass because for the other violent incident. Either one should be reported in a timely matter. What I am saying is, a lawsuit for something that happened or "apparently" happened 30 years ago would be something to question

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Then you have absolutely no clue of the psychology of this.

 

 

….or, he’s just trolling. Either way, it’s just not worth it. 

[HappyDays]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

I'm saying both crimes are bad and can cause physical harm and bad memories for the woman that it happens to.

 

Again it's not the crime itself. I'm talking about what it is like for the victim to report the crime. That is the relevant difference. But you continue not to acknowledge that and I continue wasting my time trying to get it through to you, so I'd say we're done here.

[Simon]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

Is rape worse than being beaten to a pulp and getting your car taken away?

 

Would you rather get held down by a huge dude and ass-raped or lose a fight and your car?

[Buffalo03]

18 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Would you rather get held down by a huge dude and ass-raped or lose a fight and your car?

I personally wouldn't want either. But I also wouldn't wait 30 years to report or sue someone for it

[Johnnycage46]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

Did you miss the part where I said assault and car theft? Or did you leave that out intentionally?

How about you answer the question. Is rape worse than being beaten to a pulp and getting your car taken away? If it was a woman in both scenarios, and she chose not to report either or for 20 plus years, you would be ok with her waiting to report the rape but not the assault? One violent crime gets a pass and the other doesn't? OK then

 

Rape is worse. It's about the worst thing you can do to a person. Complete violation of their very being. The fact that you are even defending the position you are is shocking.

[Simon]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I personally wouldn't want either. But I also wouldn't wait 30 years to report or sue someone for it

 

You have no idea what you'd do and holding rape victims to your imaginary standard is utterly pathetic.

You've got over twice as many posts as anybody in this thread and have driven it off the rails with your mindless, repetitive extremism. Again.

I don't want to see you in here any more.

[Mr. WEO]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I personally wouldn't want either. But I also wouldn't wait 30 years to report or sue someone for it

she reported it to the school.  Once they told her to forget about it, she’s not going to take it to the cops. 
 

none of this is hard to understand 

[Doc Brown]

38 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Would you rather get held down by a huge dude and ass-raped or lose a fight and your car?

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

Did you miss the part where I said assault and car theft? Or did you leave that out intentionally?

How about you answer the question. Is rape worse than being beaten to a pulp and getting your car taken away? If it was a woman in both scenarios, and she chose not to report either or for 20 plus years, you would be ok with her waiting to report the rape but not the assault? One violent crime gets a pass and the other doesn't? OK then

Is this a real question?  Wow.

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Is this a real question?  Wow.

 

It just keeps going, and I just keep telling people to ignore him. He’s trying to enflame people. Let him die on the vine. 

[Tenhigh]

3 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Your assumption that Marcellus Wiley is a man of high character is equally as spurious as the assumptions being made by others that you are arguing against.

Your assumption about his assumption about others' assumptions is the most spurious of all. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wait, what does spurious mean again?

[Simon]

11 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Your assumption about his assumption about others' assumptions is the most spurious of all. 

 

Wait, what does spurious mean again?

 

I think it means "assumed" 👍

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I personally wouldn't want either. But I also wouldn't wait 30 years to report or sue someone for it

What if you weee afraid to report it?

 

Or ashamed to report it?

 

Or embarrassed reporting it because a society full of idiots made you feel like it was your fault?

 

 

[Augie]

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